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Posted: 23 November 2012 at 11:11pm | IP Logged
@.Vrish. i agree wid u events hav to vary according to tym...so even i cannot follow tis Kalpa theory...m tryin to fing more about it!!!!!!!!!

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@wildcat1994, what you've mentioned is already there in, The time (Yuga) calculation thread, mentioned in my previous post, on the 1st pg in other post by Max. 
In every yuga cycle, If Vishnuji takes avatars even other Gods too take their various forms. Without Paravti marrying Shivji, Shiv-Shakti union concept doesn't compelete, as many scriptures are created in their convo, teachings. If those were not created that means past Yuga cycles were deprived of these knowledge.
Universe is vast, filled with ample of kowledge, which keeps on appearing & disappearin from time to time. A strong medium is needed to bring it on Earth & spread itamog people.
Except Shiv-Shakti many such scriptures can not be created, as no one else has thar power.
Vishnuji-Lakshmiji's duty is different.They can not do what Shiv-Shakti did.
It Shakti as Paravti died & after being born as Parvati doesn't unite with Shivji, majority of Tantra -shastra can not exist. Which I doubt is possible.
Yes some events may vaery in different yuga-cycles but if such a major eventof Shakti not unitng with Shivji had not occured then there it has to be mentioned in a very reliable scripture. Which I am waiting to see, if anyone can provide.
Devi Puran in 49th to 58th adhyaya, mentions, once Shivji admiring Shakti's beauty & love wanted to know how does it feel being a woman. To fulfill his wish, Shakti was born as Krishna, Shivji as Radha & Krishna's 8 patranis. Jaya & Vijaya as Shridam & Vasudam, Vishnuji was born as Balram, as Devi had promised him that he will become Devi's elder brother. Mahabharat too happened, Kurukshetra's war too took place. In the end They all did Swargarohan by going in samudra, as samudra'swater touched their feet. Krishna appeared asKali-Shakti. Krishna's 8 pattranis took form of Shivji. Balram as Vishnuji. Arjunoon too was Vishnuji's ansh , he merged in him. Draupadi was Shakti's ansh, she merged in her.This happened in another Kalpa.
Adhyaya 58th 49th to 51 shloka says, Jaganmata BhagavatiI for Shivji's wish was born as a man went back to her originalform of Shakti. In that Kalpantara Vishnuji was born in his purna avatar as Krishna in the end of Dwapar yuga.
This shows all of God's avatars do take place in different Yuga cycles in the same Kalpa.


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The above description of the end of the Dwapar Yuga is given in SB, but varies radically from the Mahabharata, where Arjun escorted the Yadava survivors back to Indraprastha/Mathura, and after installing Vajra & Parikshit on the Yadava & Pandava thrones, the Pandavas retired to the mountains, and all except Yudhisthir died on the way.  SB's description suggests that nothing of that sort happened.

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Originally posted by .Vrish.

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The above description of the end of the Dwapar Yuga is given in SB, but varies radically from the Mahabharata, where Arjun escorted the Yadava survivors back to Indraprastha/Mathura, and after installing Vajra & Parikshit on the Yadava & Pandava thrones, the Pandavas retired to the mountains, and all except Yudhisthir died on the way.  SB's description suggests that nothing of that sort happened.
This Swargarohan happened in another Yuga cycle in the same Kalpa when Shakti was born as Krishna & Shivji as his 8 pattranis. This SB version is when Vishnuji was born as Krishna, in a different yuga cycle, may be we are living in that.
DP 58th adhyaya, shloka 49 to 51,
Evam samabhavdevi hyamsunderrupini I
prithvibharapaharay Shambhorichhavashen tu II
Punrupen Jaganmata Lilaya Dharanitale I
hrtva cha Prithvibhachlenayeva mahamate II
Kalpantare to Bhuprushthe Dwaparante mahamune I
Vishnu Shrikrishnarupena purnaanshen Jagatprabhu II
This is to show God's all Avatar's do tale place in each Yuga cycle in the same Kalpa. If Shiv, shakti existed when Shakti was born as krishna, this means 107 births of parvati not marrying Shivji isn't true.


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@mnx12...as far as i know...these are scriptures written that are deemed to happen in future as currently the 1st kalpa has not ended...n even if there are changes from time...but still i don't get what has parvati's 107 births got to do with her birth as krishna in another kalpa???

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sati was born 107 times as human before bing born as parvati...she performed long tapasyas in each of her births but since, shiv was in a dhyan and did not know what was happening...she couldn't please him...in fact even as PARVATI she would have not succeded id KAMADEV had not interwined!!! n all dis happens in d same kalpa...not different kalpas!!!!!!!!

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Originally posted by wildcat1994

@mnx12...as far as i know...these are scriptures written that are deemed to happen in future as currently the 1st kalpa has not ended...n even if there are changes from time...but still i don't get what has parvati's 107 births got to do with her birth as krishna in another kalpa???

 
1 kalpa= 14 manvantaras
1 Manvantar= 71 Maha yugas (Yuga cycle)
Currently we are in 7th Manvantara's 28th Mahayuga's, Kaliyaga with Satyuga, Treta & Dwapar yuga are already over.
 
It's clearly mentioned these avatar's have already occured in past. First Shakti's Krishna avatar had happened then in another Mahayuga Vishnuji's Krishna avatar had happened, may be we are living in that Mahayuga that's why we worship krishna as Vishnuji's avatar.
In this Kalpa 27 Manvantaras * 71 Mahayugas= 1917 times all the avatars have already happened, we are in 1918th cycle.
Paravti is Shakti married to Shivji, if she's married to him, as per Shivji's wish she takes Krishna avatar. This had happened in past Mahayuga, this means 107 human births of Paravti is not possible. Shiv can not be alone for 107 Mahayugas. If he was without her then there has to be very authentic mention about it in scriptures. Shakti is not an ordinary soul or power. Our ancient rishis were capable of seeing past, present & future. Why none of them has written about her various birth's details?
Each Mahayuga has to have Shiv-Shakti union to maintain balance with other powers.
There can be some change of events but the main events remains the same.
eg. When Shakti was born as Krishna, everyone including some Kings went with them, this Swargarohan is described simillar to ram's Swargarohan, with Balram going to Vaikunth as Vishnuji, Krishna apearing as Shakti, 8 pattrani's as Shivji, Sahadev-Nakul merging in Ashvini kumars. Draupadi merging in Shakti. Which is very different then Pandava's Swargarohan, when Vishnuji was born as krishna.
So if we consider Parvati's 107 births in 107 Mahayugas, Shakti's Krishna avatar proves it isn't. as this happened after she married Shivji in one of the past Mahayuga.
If she was born 107 times in this Mahayuga when Shivji was in meditation, as you've mentioned, such a big thing should have been given in Puranas or Vedas, which isn't.
It seems simillar to what I had heard long back from an old uncle, Lakshmiji pleaded a lot to Vishnuji to accept her as his wife, after a long time Vishnuji accepted her. This myth is to highlight Vishnuji's superiority over her. This 107 birth myth seems simillar, made to highlight Shivji's superiority.


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what i m abt to say nw may hurt d feelings of some so m giving a prior warning: THESE ARE MY VIEWS AND I DO NOT WISH TO OFFEND ANYBODY!! AND YET IF ANYBODY IS HURT...PLZ FORGIVE ME!!!!

a lot of historians believe that these VEDAS and PURANAS are merely books written by great scholars and that the so called GOD in these books are but its characters...if u read these books closely, one finds that a lot of research in feilds like medicine, pschology, astronomy, mathematics and lot many subjects has been hidden in them...they believe that this may have been done so that ppl would not call them mad unlike Galileo or other scholars...so it is possible THAT A LOT OF THINGS ARE NOT PART OF THE VEDAS OR PURANAS bcoz they may have nothin 2 do with theories or scholarly work...if u go and see, then u'll find that even MEENAKSHI and KARTIKEYA had no such relationship as is being currently shown...so if a certain fact is missing from the books it does not mean its nt true...n yes,
 
@mnx12...14 MANAVATARS OF VISHNU= 1 kalpa of humans...it has nothing to do wid SHIV or SHAKTI...as they hv a diff tym cycle...for us a day is 24 hrs bt for SHIV-SHAKTI one day is equal to our 365 days!!! so...thier first kalpa is not over yet!!!!!
 

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