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Posted: 06 November 2012 at 4:06am | IP Logged
n i hv a question...where is GANESHA?? according to d folklores...Ganesh and Ashoksundari were born together...so whr is he in d serial???? any1 any ideas???

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Posted: 06 November 2012 at 6:59am | IP Logged
@wildcat1994,
Aadi Shakti takes several avatars & there is no mention of it anywhere, that itself makes it unbelievable. When even Vishnu's dwarpal Jaya, Vijaya's births after Sanata Kaumar's curse are mentioned in detail in Puranas.
Kali, Chandika, Durga are her forms, As Kali she has already achieved Shivji. Various forms can not be taken as births. Somewhere 108 names of Devi are misinterpreted as her births, which is not true. Such a big thing like 108 births have to be there with their names, time period purpose etc.
Ashok Sundari is not part of Gujrati folk tales. Ashoka Sundari marries Nahush. Where as as per Gujarati falk tales, parvati's daughter was cursed when she failed to tell Shivji Ganesh is her brother.
She was then born as Okha, who married Anirudhha.


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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 4:19am | IP Logged
well, i m aware of tat tale too n m nt sure if its true or nt bt ASHOKSUNDARI is nt nywhr in puranas, n it was customary in those days to name gods and goddesses on the basis of the wrk they did...so it is possible tat parvati may have more than 1 name n nt all r her births bt d 108 births of parvati are true i.e if u believe folklores...i know tis cause i hv hrd stories as a child myself...even my grandama used to say tat parvati was born 100 times to help the gods (Indra dev was habituated to doing mistakes n parvati had to amend them since she was JAGATMATA...so it is possible tat she took birth 108 times...)

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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 11:37pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by wildcat1994

well, i m aware of tat tale too n m nt sure if its true or nt bt ASHOKSUNDARI is nt nywhr in puranas, n it was customary in those days to name gods and goddesses on the basis of the wrk they did...so it is possible tat parvati may have more than 1 name n nt all r her births bt d 108 births of parvati are true i.e if u believe folklores...i know tis cause i hv hrd stories as a child myself...even my grandama used to say tat parvati was born 100 times to help the gods (Indra dev was habituated to doing mistakes n parvati had to amend them since she was JAGATMATA...so it is possible tat she took birth 108 times...)

I think you need to differentiate b/w manifestation and birth. 

As Goddess Shakti, she had had to manifest several times, according to the needs and requirements of the situation e.g- Durga, Lalitha, Kamakshi,etc. This cannot be regarded as her 'births'

By birth, we mean Her appearance in a human form to a specific set of parents e.g- Meenakshi. 

I don't think there are 108 such 'births' - because as Minakshi (the moderator) has said, there are no such records / legends




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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 12:13am | IP Logged

I even confuse the word megastar and superstar as they are synonymous or interrelated.I hope there is no difference in it.Comming to the topic,in devimahatmiyam shakthi tells that Brahma is the creator,Vishnu is the lord of the lords and Shiva is the greatest god.Meantime,both lord of the lords and greatest god are having the same meaning.Are both of them vishnu and shiva the powerful gods having the same qualities and vishnu can also be called as devokadeva if the phrase is true.yesterday parvati visioned the samudramanthan in advance,so parvati is also a trikaladarshi.Both vishnu and lakshmi expected the curse given by durvasa in advance,so vishnu and lakshmi also trikaladarshis.My ? is how many trikaladarshis in hinduism other than mahadev?

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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 11:15am | IP Logged
Regarding who is greatest among all, the answer may vary as their believers consider whom they pray as the supreme. But Mahadev is refered to as Devadhi Dev. The Samudra Manthan story shows why he is so important. As varaali has mentioned in other thread, he had Halahal so that others can enjoy Amrit.
The ultimate aim of a soul, is to the attain the Supreme Consciousness. One can take whatever name, path as per their karma, surrounding, family, destiny, the final goal is the same.
Regarding Trikaldarshis, all  the Gods & Goddess, know past, present future. Some rishis too were capable of seeing them upto certain extent.


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Posted: 12 November 2012 at 2:11am | IP Logged
@varaali...tats wat i m sayin her manifestations r nt her births...bt she was born 108 times...sati, parvati, meenakshi are just sum of her births...she is shakti or adi-shakti...tats manifestation...n  Mahalakshmi, Mahasaraswati, Mahakali are
also her births...n since she is d main energy tat enables creation and destruction...she is born in different forms to help d gods...try searching about adi-parashakti...u'll know about all her biths, forms and manifestations...

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^^^You ar mixing up 2 things. It is said Shivji wears a Rudraksh mala of 108 beads, each Rudraksh for Each birth of Paravti, in all her previous births she failed to achive Shivji. This 108 births myth is for Shivji's wife, these were the births where her life is already ended.
This can not be said for MahaKali, MahaLakshmi, MahaSaraswati, they are the main Trigunatmaka powers. MahaKali is MahaKal's consort, she existed even before the craetion & will play her role at the end too. Saraswati is Brhma's &  Lakshmi is Vishnu's consort, they still exists & they have never tryed to achieve Shivji.
Even as 10 Mahavidyas, Goddess Aadi Shakti takes various forms like Tara, Dhummavati, Chinnmasta, Matangi, Bhuvaneshwari, Balgala etc to accomplish various taks, they all exists, have not ended their life.
 


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