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Posted: 01 July 2012 at 8:16am | IP Logged
I hope so Shruti. I hope they dont make it a soap opera

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Posted: 01 July 2012 at 9:39am | IP Logged
fingers crossed...and frankly i dont think they will make it a saas bahu drama-for all you know they are going to show like i have said before,even Mohit said it...Mahadev is only keeping Parvati away from him,beacuse he knows at this stage,he cant marry her-and hence tries to push her away infdirectly making her paths cross to make her worthy of him...

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Posted: 01 July 2012 at 9:44am | IP Logged
Originally posted by shruti.nil

fingers crossed...and frankly i dont think they will make it a saas bahu drama-for all you know they are going to show like i have said before,even Mohit said it...Mahadev is only keeping Parvati away from him,beacuse he knows at this stage,he cant marry her-and hence tries to push her away infdirectly making her paths cross to make her worthy of him...


Forget saas-bahu dramas (heaven forbid!) I'm getting a strong whiff of Shah Rih Khan films...

first Mahadev tells Sati he will not marry her without her father's permission (reminded me of DDLJ) and now he's essentially telling Parvati that he;s not going to let her be with him, because he could be dangerous to her...(reminded me of Kal ho na ho, sort of)...

Confused
LOL LOL


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Posted: 01 July 2012 at 10:42am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

I have no idea whether what the serial showed about Ganga accompanying Indra to Devalok was remotely accurate.  If it ain't, then she was w/ Himavan & Mena, and therefore available for Kartikeya,  and later Ganesh.  She may have gone to Swarga later on another pretext.

But even if she were in Swargalok, in Kartikeya's case, Agni & Vayu could easily take her to Ganga.  Question mark then remains as to whether Shravan and the Krittikas were based in Devalok or Bhulok.  But in the Ramayan, in Uttarkand, Rama narrates the story of Raja Ila who visited the forest when Shiva was newly married to Parvati, and had enchanted the forest that anyone who entered that beautious region would become a woman, which is what happened to Raja Ila & his retinue. ROFL

If one accepts the Ramayan aspect to this story, then all of this took place on Bhulok, so Ganga would have had to be there.  But in b/w, at some point of time after the birth of Ganesh, she may have left for Swarga in the Satya Yuga itself, and returned in the Treta Yuga during Bhageeratha.


I never heard of Ganga being Himavan's daughter before it was mentioned here. I thought she was river who flowed in the Swarga and was later on brought to the Earth by Bhagiratha.

Agni and Vayu took the sparks to the river Saraswati (also known as Saraswati Ganga) which was a tributary which flowed into Ganga. The sages Vasishta and Viswamitra lived on the opposite banks of this river. I thought Ganga reached the Earth before Karthikeya and Ganesha were born.

I really don't know when  exactly Ganesha and Karthikeya appeared. Is there any mention of them in the Ramayana? Mahabharatha perhaps, but I've never heard of them in Ramayana. Being Gods, they must have made an appearance somewhere. I thought they both were created in the Tretha Yuga.

Both Sharavan and Krittikas were based on Bhuloka. It was after Karthkeya was reunited with Shiva and Parvati, the 6 Krittikas obtained the status of stars and proceeded to the cosmos.

The forest Raja Ila wandered into was different from Sharavan. Also there is a grove called the forest of Karthikeya or Karthikeya's Grove. Anyone entering it will become a creeper in the forest - as was the case with Urvashi when she entered the grove thinking about Pururavas.

I am not really clear as when Ganga came to the Earth and when exactly Karthikeya and Ganesha were born.

Didn't Viswamitra show Ram and Lakshman the Ganga when he was taking them to his ashram? Also, Guha lived beside the Ganga, isn't it?




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Posted: 01 July 2012 at 10:47am | IP Logged
Where exactly did Tarakasur live after conquering the world and the heaven?

In Kanda Purana, Surapadma lived in Veeramahendrapuri - an island.

Did Tarakasur live in the Swarga or did he establish his capital in a specific place in Skanda Purana?



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Posted: 02 July 2012 at 1:11am | IP Logged
^^^^ Vibhishan

ONe can easily find out the similarity between ramayan and Kandha puran (my personnal observations on it )

( 1.In kandha puran Surapadman is said to be lived in Veeramahendrapuri which is located in bay of bengal at the same place where srilanka is situated  all though not exactly mentioned in it .
2. like hanuman is sent in search for sita ,here veerabhahu is sent to console prisoned devtas .
3. Ajamuki plays the major role to infulence surabapman by advising him to kidnap Indrani ,like surpanagai did to Ravan.
4.surapadman wife also oppose his wrong deeds but felt helpless like mandothari.
5.Banugopan also defeated Indra in a furious  form and set devlok in  fire .We can relate his character to Indrajit .
6.Like lord ram camped in sethu ,Lord Skanda to said to be camped in Senthur coast .
7.Surapadman also Defeated  weapon less by Skand the day before he dead .
)
Isn't it similar Smile.what u think about that. though i accept they are story of different deities .
 I heard Ramayan first ,so when the first time i read the Kachiyappa Shivaahcariyar works i felt the similarity in that.
but no one care about that LOL. Because it is authorized by Lord Skanda it self 

About tarakasur i donno ,i only know a elephant headed asur later turned in to a mountain . probably in eastern coast of Bay of Bengal LOL



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Posted: 02 July 2012 at 2:23am | IP Logged
Yes, I know the Kandha Puranam and Ramayan are way too similar. I even wrote about it sometime back, a full comparison of Ramayan and Kandha Puranam, - not in IF, though.

True that Kacheeyappa's work was authorised by Skanda himself. but I haven't been able to obtain a translation of Skanda Purana so far.

I learnt Ramayan and Kanda Purana together and was in constant confusion till the end of both the stories LOL

One of the few differences between Ramayana and Kandha Puranam is that Skanda ordered Varuna to destroy Veeramahendrapuri after He had defeated Surapadma. So, nothing remains as relics of the battle and there was no bridge either. I kept thinking that Veeramahendrapuri was one of the islands in the Bay of Bengal which probably got engulfed by the sea later on - couldn't find any more info on that.

Since Skanda camped on Thiruchendur, the island and the Krauncha mountain must have been visible from this place. Thiruchendur is below Rameshwaram - some say its on the banks of the Indian Ocean as its quite close to Kanyakumari. So, I'm not really sure if Thiruchendur is on the banks of the Bay of Bengal or the Indian Ocean. The closest and the biggest island on sight is Sri Lanka but it could be any other island too.

As per the legends, Lanka was an island created by Viswakarma for Kubera which Ravana forcefully took over. If Sri Lanka did not exist before Tretha Yuga and if these evens had happened before the events of the Ramayana - then it could have been any island that existed in the same place or somewhere else but visible from Thiruchendur.

That's why I wanted to know where Tarakasur was staying. Was it in Swarga or any other specific place? Can probably find a clue from there as well. Also, from the accounts of Skanda's war with Sura, it happened in a field by the sea shore.





Edited by Vibhishna - 02 July 2012 at 2:41am

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Posted: 02 July 2012 at 4:46am | IP Logged
Hey u  analysed it very well ,u are right  Senthur coast is almost  in  Indain ocean ,but near Tuticorin . So Srilanka is much visible from there.
If all the stories are held in the early period of treda yuga . The possibilities of Srilankan Island must there .
I heard a story form my Srilankan friend ,She said ,that Once Uma desired a luxurious abode as beautiful as Brahma lokh or Vaikundh.
Shiv just denied this idea by saying , It is not destined to us to live like that.
But parvati is adamant and called Vishvakarma to build such a abode in Bulokh. SO he did that by reconstructing a dashed island in South  After completion, Parvati is so pleased to visit the Island . In her happiness she gave all the boons who ever asked to her. But When Ravan arrived there , He simply asked the abode itself (SrilankaShockedEvil Smile evilROFL).IN a shocked state she turned to shiv. Shiv says Thathasthu,LOLthen Shiv and parvati returned to Kailash . Hence SHiv explained to her ,not to be attracted in worldly things . Accept what is destined to us .She happily replied Yes to him.

The story is so funny nah LOL. But this is how they believe  about the formation of their Island .Still we cant confirm that Veeramahendra Puri is Lanka , There is no such mention in his works Disapprove.

I have watched one documentry  film in that , they (Geologist)showed that Dwaraka is fully connected with INdian Subcontinent before 12000 yrs ago then drained & eroded bit bit by after 6000 years ,and sinked later  in that map.
Like that they showed the Indian map joined with Srilanka above certain period and separated in due time .
So we cant conclude the landscape of Satyayuga or Treda yuga  Disapprove  accurately  too.

But all our holy text having some valuable hints about Indian Subcontinent . But they are still unaccessible due to lack interest from our researchers .


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