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Posted: 29 December 2011 at 5:41pm | IP Logged
I have been following this show and quite confused, possibly because I used to watch Ma Shakti many years ago and it was similar to this but showed things slightly differently so some questions cropped up, one of which is: 

1. Sati was the name Shivji gave Daksh's daughter Gauri after they got married? Is that correct or was Daksh's daughter called Sati? 

2. Maa Parvati is the reincarnation of Maa Gauri/Sati so who was named Uma? Maa Parvati or Maa Gauri? 



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Thanks for the info on the Shakti peeths.  But if Sati immolated herself, this incident may not have exactly happened.  Also, Shiva sent Virbhadra & Bhadrakali/Mahakali to punish Daksha, and didn't go himself, whereas the Shakti peeths origins suggest that he took her body and danced the tandava dance, which resulted in her remains being scattered on those 54 or 108 locations.  Not possible if she reduced herself to ashes, or smoke.

Brings up another point - in the ACK Sati & Shiva, they showed that after reproaching Daksha, she stood where she was, invoked a mantra and reduced herself to smoke, and the Ganas were furious.  Whereas in most serials, they show her stepping into the agnikund and cremating herself there.

I wonder what the original texts say?  B'cos after Daksha was refitted w/ a goat's head, Shiva gave him permission to complete his yagna.  But that would not have been possible if the Agnikund had Sati in it, as the serials show.  However, if she cremated herself separately, then that kund could have resumed operation once the yagna was back up & running.

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Sagar does mean ocean - in fact, the ocean got its name from Maharaj Sagar of Ayodhya - Rama's ancestor.  It's where the Ganga empties into.  Since all oceans in the world are contiguous, it's valid to put it all under one umbrella.  Difference b/w Sagar & Ksheersagar is simple - Sagar is on Bhulok (earth) while Ksheersagar is in Vaikuntha dham.

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I've never heard the story of Sati going to test Shri Rama.  That's a new one on me.

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  1. Sati was the name given by I think Brahma to Daksha's daughter - she didn't get that name after marriage.
  2. Uma was Parvati, not Sati.  I don't know about whether Gauri was Sati, or Parvati.

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Posted: 29 December 2011 at 11:56pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by bharat9

Some say that  when Parvati or Sati came to test Shri Ram disguised as Sita ji  since then Lord Shiva could never fully accept Her as His wife, hence one of the reason for Sati/Parvati to incarnate. Is this right?
Sita before going for her Swayamvar, went to Ma Gauri/ Parvati's temple. In Durga-saptashati's 3rd charitra, It is given that Godess Ambika, emerged from Parvatiji, when Deva's worshipped her. That was before Vishnuji's Rama incarnation.  So it was Parvatiji not Sati.

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hi guys, I have read a book recenly which was based on ramayana and it was saying that sati disguised her self as sita and came in front of shri ram, becuase shivaji was telling her that lord rama is god incarnation of lord vishnu. sati and shiva went to jungle at that time Ravana already abducted Sita and Lord Rama was looking for Sita in jungle and weeping. So, Sati doubted Rama as being a god and told shiva that she is going to test Rama whether he is human or god. That's why she became mata sita and came in front of lord Rama, Rama knew she is sati and it's not sita so, Rama called her as mata!
After this when sati went back to shiva and told him that she now believes that Rama is truly god, Shiva told her that he is not going to consider her as his wife because Rama called her as mother so you are my mother too! Shiavaji did not consider sati as his wife after that!
so that was one of the reason why sati burned her self!
 

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As per Devi-purana, when Sati went to Daksh's yagya, after meeting Prasuti, who welcomed her, she met Daksh, who started criticizing Shivji, hearing that & seeing Daksh has not given Yagya-bhag, to Shivji, she became furious.
 Before coming to the yagya, when Shivji stopped her then to show him her power, she showed him her ferrocious roop, Shivji got scared seeing this form, he wanted to run in 4 dishas to hide, at that timeGodess Jagdamba emerged in 10 dishas as 10 Mahavidyas. She told Shivji about all 10 Mahavidya's mahima & upasana. Shivji got impressed with this, he allowed Sati to go for the yagya.
Seeing Sati's ferocious roop all Devatas & rishi's present in Daksh's yagya got scared. From Godess Sati a Chaya-Sati imerged. Sati made Chaya-Sati her medium & she went in Antirakha.
Chaya-Sati argued with Daksh, but he didn't spare her, he continued criticizing Shivji & Sati. When this argument reached at it's peak, angry Chaya-Sati entered the yagya-kunda. At that moment, yagya-kunda's fire disappeared, entire yagya mandapa at that moment turned in to a smashaan. 
When Narad told Shivji about this incident, he felt very sad, from his 3rd eye a very powerful Veerbhadra emerged. Shivji told him to go & destroy Daksha's yagya. With his Ganas, Veerbhadra, destroyed the yagya, cut Daksha's head.
Then Brahmaji went to Kailash, requested Shivji to make Daksh alive  & compelete the yagya. Hearing Brhmaji's prayer Shivji told Veerbhadra to cut a Goat's head & join it to Daksh's body. Daksh became alive, he compeleted his yagya..
In Sati's viyoga Shivji was sad, seeing this Brhmaji & Vishnuji tried to make him undersand that Godess Jagdamba is Sanatana Purna Brhmaswaraupa, her death is not reality, but is just a imagination. Then Brahmaji, Vishnuji & Shivji prayed to The Godess, who appeared in the sky & told Shivji, She will be born as Himalaya & Menaka's daughter & then will be with him. She told Shivji to take her Chaya-shareera, which entered Daksha's yagya on his head & move on the Earth, that Chaya-shareera will be turn into pieces & fall in various parts of the Earth. Wherever each part has fallen there Great Shakti-peeths will be formed.
Hearing this Shivji entered the yagya-shala, lifted Sati's body on his head & started dancing on the earth happily. All the Devas started wondering how to pacify Shivji. Then through Vishnuji's Sudarshan chakra her body turned into pieces. Wherever they fell on Earth, those places have turned into Maha-Tirth & Sidhha-Peethas. There are 51 Shakti-peetas. Devi-Bhagvat  mentions 108 & Devi-Geeta 72 peethas. But Devi-purana mentions 51 Shakti-peethas.
Then Narada prayed to Shivji to calm down. Shivji stopped dancing but was sad, he cursed Vishnuji, when he will be born on Earth, at that time like how my Chaya-patni is not with me today, in the same way Rakshasraaj Ravana, will kidnap your Chaya-patni & you will have to live without her.
 


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Originally posted by myedward12

hi guys, I have read a book recenly which was based on ramayana and it was saying that sati disguised her self as sita and came in front of shri ram, becuase shivaji was telling her that lord rama is god incarnation of lord vishnu. sati and shiva went to jungle at that time Ravana already abducted Sita and Lord Rama was looking for Sita in jungle and weeping. So, Sati doubted Rama as being a god and told shiva that she is going to test Rama whether he is human or god. That's why she became mata sita and came in front of lord Rama, Rama knew she is sati and it's not sita so, Rama called her as mata!
After this when sati went back to shiva and told him that she now believes that Rama is truly god, Shiva told her that he is not going to consider her as his wife because Rama called her as mother so you are my mother too! Shiavaji did not consider sati as his wife after that!
so that was one of the reason why sati burned her self!
 

 Yeah, this is the version given by Tulsidas, in his Ram Charit Manas. 

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Originally posted by myedward12

hi guys, I have read a book recenly which was based on ramayana and it was saying that sati disguised her self as sita and came in front of shri ram, becuase shivaji was telling her that lord rama is god incarnation of lord vishnu. sati and shiva went to jungle at that time Ravana already abducted Sita and Lord Rama was looking for Sita in jungle and weeping. So, Sati doubted Rama as being a god and told shiva that she is going to test Rama whether he is human or god. That's why she became mata sita and came in front of lord Rama, Rama knew she is sati and it's not sita so, Rama called her as mata!
After this when sati went back to shiva and told him that she now believes that Rama is truly god, Shiva told her that he is not going to consider her as his wife because Rama called her as mother so you are my mother too! Shiavaji did not consider sati as his wife after that!
so that was one of the reason why sati burned her self!

If this had actually happened, Sati should have told Rudra that since Rama was another incarnation of another form of Mohini, who was her sautaan, her seniority to Rama did not imply her seniority to Shiva, since Shiva's relationship w/ Rama was independent of his relationship to Sati.  Could have checkmated him that way LOL

If this is Tulsidas' account, then don't look for it to be supported in any of the ancient scriptures.


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Posted: 30 December 2011 at 2:44am | IP Logged
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Thanks for the info on the Shakti peeths.  But if Sati immolated herself, this incident may not have exactly happened.  Also, Shiva sent Virbhadra & Bhadrakali/Mahakali to punish Daksha, and didn't go himself, whereas the Shakti peeths origins suggest that he took her body and danced the tandava dance, which resulted in her remains being scattered on those 54 or 108 locations.  Not possible if she reduced herself to ashes, or smoke.

Brings up another point - in the ACK Sati & Shiva, they showed that after reproaching Daksha, she stood where she was, invoked a mantra and reduced herself to smoke, and the Ganas were furious.  Whereas in most serials, they show her stepping into the agnikund and cremating herself there.

I wonder what the original texts say?  B'cos after Daksha was refitted w/ a goat's head, Shiva gave him permission to complete his yagna.  But that would not have been possible if the Agnikund had Sati in it, as the serials show.  However, if she cremated herself separately, then that kund could have resumed operation once the yagna was back up & running.



Serials have their own way of dramatizing events and eclipsing the spirituality inherent in them. Sati did give up her body, but neither did she immolate herself (in the sacificial altar) not did she burn herself into ashes. 

Sitting in a corner, she went deep into yogic meditation, closing the nine openings of the body, withdrawing the fives senses, and directing all awareness into the pranamaya kosha, she guided the five vital airs (prana, vyana, udana, samana and apana) to leave the body through the crown (sahasrakara) chakra. What was left behind was just the shell, the body.

This practice involves invoking, what is mistakenly called the yogic fire / agni, hence the serial directors have had a field day showing Sati's body reducing to ashes or Sati jumping into the fire altar itself. 

Yes Shiva did roam about carrying Sati's body and according to some accounts performed the Urdhva Tandava  during which different parts of Sati's body fell in different places which came to be established as Shakti Peeths . By other accounts, Vishnu's Sudarshana Chakra cut Sati's body into pieces which then fell on earth.





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