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Hi, DKDM members

Over the last couple of years, we've had threads in various forums of some shows about Rama & Krishna (namely Ananda Sagar's Ramayan and Dwarkadheesh - Bhagwan Shri Krishn) as well as the Mythological Masti forum dedicated not so much to the shows themselves, but to the original deities, so that religious and/or mytho minded members can post questions and discussions about various events in their lives.  Examples of these can be found in the following threads:

|| Mythological Masti :: Doubts & Discussions ||

+* Dwapar Yuga: Doubts & Discussions *+


The first thread is still active, and will remain so for ever, while the last one will be active as long as the Dwarkadheesh show is still running.  The 3 Ramayan threads above are closed, and their discussions happen in the Mythological Masti thread.

I'm creating a similar thread here dedicated to Mahadev.  This covers everything about Lord Shiva and those around him - Sati, Parvati, Durga, Kali, Kartikeya, Ganesh, Nandi and the Ganas, and so on.  All members are invited to have  discussions about any questions they might have about these deities.  If it is about other gods, please discuss that in the Mythological Masti forum, and if it is about Shri Krishna or the Pandavas, please discuss it in the DBSK forum linked above.

One thing to note - in Hindu literature, there are diverse texts that often have contradictory and conflicting accounts of the same events.  For instance, there are several varying accounts of how the original Ganesh was beheaded, and his head substituted by that of an elephant.  So while discussing these, we prefer that one just states the source for any account that you are giving - whether it's the original texts themselves, something written by some major author or even the Amar Chitra Katha that you may have lying around.  But please do not weigh in on whether you think version X is more authentic or accurate than version Y, even though it may well be.  We hope that the discussions remain objective and healthy and that forum rules are abided by when making posts of your viewpoints.

This will always remain in the Forum Announcements section so that you are free to keep coming back to this thread at any time to make your ideas heard.  Hope to see lots of interesting and engaging thoughts and deliberations.

Enjoy Discussing!

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its a brilliant idea of making such a thread...
Hinduism as religion is so very vast that obviously doubts will come up...

i guess loads of doubts will come from my side..he he...waiting for this thread to start!

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Thanks Vrish for creating this threadSmile

As per Devi purana, Brhamaji created Prithvi etc mahabhootas along with other elements his 10 manasputras Marichi, Atri,Pulaha, Kratu, Angira, Pracheta, Vashistha, Narada, Bhrugu & Pulatsya were also created. Then Daksha etc main prajapatis & Human beings were created. Then his manasputri Sandhya & manobhava Kamadeva were created. Then Brhamaji divided himself in 2 halves, from his left hals Shatarupa, a beautiful girl & right halfSwayambhuva Manu were created. They both got married, had 3 daughters Aakuti, Devahuti & Prasuti & 2 sons Priyavrata & Uttanpaad. Their 3rd daughter Prasuti got married to Daksha prajapati.
Daksha had 14 daughters, Aditi, Diti, Danu, Kashtha, Arishtha, Surasa, Timi, Manu, Krodhvasha, Tamra, Vinata, Kadru, Swaha & Bhanumati. Out of them Swaha married Agni & remain 13 married Rishi Kashyapa. They inturn produced different praja all over the world. This is how Brahmaji created this Srushti.
Brahmaji told Daksha, to worship Godess Prakruti, who will be born as his daughter & will be Lord Shiva'a wife. Daksha did tapa for 3000 years, finally Godess appeared, who told him she will be born as his daughter, & marry Lord Shiva. Will be with him in her saumya roop till punya of his tapa is not over. Once punya of his tapa is over, he will disrespect her then she will be go back to her own Dhaam.

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Originally posted by mnx12

Thanks Vrish for creating this threadSmile

As per Devi purana, Brhamaji created Prithvi etc mahabhootas along with other elements his 10 manasputras Marichi, Atri,Pulaha, Kratu, Angira, Pracheta, Vashistha, Narada, Bhrugu & Pulatsya were also created. Then Daksha etc main prajapatis & Human beings were created. Then his manasputri Sandhya & manobhava Kamadeva were created. Then Brhamaji divided himself in 2 halves, from his left hals Shatarupa, a beautiful girl & right halfSwayambhuva Manu were created. They both got married, had 3 daughters Aakuti, Devahuti & Prasuti & 2 sons Priyavrata & Uttanpaad. Their 3rd daughter Prasuti got married to Daksha prajapati.
Daksha had 14 daughters, Aditi, Diti, Danu, Kashtha, Arishtha, Surasa, Timi, Manu, Krodhvasha, Tamra, Vinata, Kadru, Swaha & Bhanumati. Out of them Swaha married Agni & remain 13 married Rishi Kashyapa. They inturn produced different praja all over the world. This is how Brahmaji created this Srushti.
Brahmaji told Daksha, to worship Godess Prakruti, who will be born as his daughter & will be Lord Shiva'a wife. Daksha did tapa for 3000 years, finally Godess appeared, who told him she will be born as his daughter, & marry Lord Shiva. Will be with him in her saumya roop till punya of his tapa is not over. Once punya of his tapa is over, he will disrespect her then she will be go back to her own Dhaam.


so he knew it very well ... n still hv probs with Shiva??

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Brahmaji told Daksha, to worship Godess Prakruti, who will be born as his daughter & will be Lord Shiva'a wife. Daksha did tapa for 3000 years, finally Godess appeared, who told him she will be born as his daughter, & marry Lord Shiva. Will be with him in her saumya roop till punya of his tapa is not over. Once punya of his tapa is over, he will disrespect her then she will be go back to her own Dhaam.


so he knew it very well ... n still hv probs with Shiva??
Lord Shiva's Rudragana never listened to Daksha, when he thought of Sati's marriage, he knew about Godeess Prakriti's promise to Lord Shiva to be his wife,but didn't find him suitable for his Daughter, so he caled all devas, daityas, gandharvas, except Lord Shiva & announced a Swayamvara-yagya & thought whatever is vidhi's vidhan that will happen. He called all the devas & daityas but Lord Shiva & arranged Sati's swayamvar.

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 Sati was the daughter of one of the mind born sons of Brahma, the Prajapatis. His name was Daksha and he was the chief Prajapati. In the Vedic pecking order that meant a very important person indeed, as he was in charge of all the Cosmic Sacrifices, the Yagyas, made by man or god. Sati was a carefree young girl until Brahma decided to intervene and get her married off to Shiva. This was not out of purely altruistic motives. Shiva was a yogi and he derived much amusement from observing the hapless state which marriage had reduced Brahma and Vishnu to, at frequent intervals. Himself being free and a wanderer, much prone to forests, mountains and cremation grounds as his notion of an ideal residence, he was in no mood to ever get married. It would interfere with his Yoga practices too much! Brahma however, was determined to tame Shiva, to bring Him into the ambit of domesticity and family, to, in short, assimilate what had always been Hinduism's defiant and flamboyant Outsider God. The ostensible reason proffered is that if Shiva, whose name literally means, 'The Auspicious', did not participate in activities of the world, (as the householder in the grihasta-ashrama stage of life is supposed to do), he would be setting a bad example and encouraging the unraveling of society - everybody would be jumping the gun straight into renunciation.

This project had the enthusiastic approval of all the other gods, a married Shiva would presumably be more amenable to reason and less, for want of a better word, peculiar. Shiva was the greatest of all the devas, Mahadeva.

In some versions of the myth, the gods actually go to the Great Goddess and explain that only she can assist them in this civilizing project they all hold dear. The Goddess agrees to be born as Sati and marry him.
The divine sage Narada hurries to meet Sati and so praises Shiva that she resolves to have no other husband. He advises her that Shiva is not the sort of person to be impressed by her astonishing beauty and that devotion and the austerities of askesis are the way to his heart. Sati begins a series of yogic practices that leave the gods awestruck, so difficult are they and Shiva relents. However, Sati's father Daksha is not at all pleased at his daughter's choice of husband.  In the Parvati Myth she asks permission from her father, (It's the mother who objects) whereas she flatly refuses to be obedient here. Women had a greater say in these matters and this rebellious streak in the Great Goddess represents an original independence of women that patriarchal society had not yet managed to subdue.
Married life was extremely agreeable for Shiva, as Sati proved to be more than an ideal match for him and in total agreement with all his apparent wild ways. One day however, she observed great numbers of people heading in one particular direction and sent to know where they were going. To her surprise she learnt that her father was holding a great fire sacrifice, to which he had called all the principal gods but pointedly excluded his daughter and son-in-law. He husband was amused at this rudeness more than anything else. He was a yogi and cared not a straw for rituals and ceremonies. Sati urged him to attend but he declined, knowing that Daksha would be intolerably insulting and then the wrath of Rudra would pour forth. He really did not want to kill his wife's father. Sati insisted on going herself, arguing that a daughter does not require a formal invitation.
At the sacrifice, Sati finds that Daksha is taking some petty revenge on Shiva. He has reverted to an ancient Vedic practice of not setting aside a share of the sacrificial offerings for Shiva, as he is a god who operates outside the rules of Society. He treats her with terrible rudeness too, and the public humiliation is too much for Sati. She announces that this life is a burden and she will be reborn again to a father who she can respect and who will respect her husband. Sati then destroys herself in an act of spontaneous combustion. The assembled gods are appalled, they know Shiva only too well and he would not lie down under such provocation. Sure enough, two of his chief bravos, Veerabhadra and Bhadrakali, attack the site and severely wound the gods before chasing them away. Minor figures are slaughtered indiscriminately. Finally Veerabhadra, in an act that symbolizes the contempt for ritual, tears off Daksha's head and throws it into the fire, in a terrifying parody of making a sacrificial offering.
Shiva goes insane with grief, a really touching aspect of the myth really. He wanders the universe hugging the corpse of Sati to him. His frenzy grows until it becomes cosmically dangerous. Vishnu realizes that until the body is removed from contact with Shiva he would not move on and begin grieving in a manner that would heal. He therefore cuts the body of Sati with his Quoit or Chakra into a million pieces. Many of them scatter and fall onto the landmass of India, and all the places they fall at became places of pilgrimage.  
It must not be assumed by reading this narrative that Sati is worshipped at any place. What is being worshipped is a manifestation of the Great Goddess, not Sati.
Parvati is determined to have the love of both husband and father, and also that the two men love each other. She will not transgress male boundaries to do so - when Shiva proposes, she immediately sends him to her father to ask his permission! That is of course immediately granted. It is the mother who objects this time.
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Brahmaji told Daksha, to worship Godess Prakruti, who will be born as his daughter & will be Lord Shiva'a wife. Daksha did tapa for 3000 years, finally Godess appeared, who told him she will be born as his daughter, & marry Lord Shiva. Will be with him in her saumya roop till punya of his tapa is not over. Once punya of his tapa is over, he will disrespect her then she will be go back to her own Dhaam.


so he knew it very well ... n still hv probs with Shiva??
Lord Shiva's Rudragana never listened to Daksha, when he thought of Sati's marriage, he knew about Godeess Prakriti's promise to Lord Shiva to be his wife,but didn't find him suitable for his Daughter, so he caled all devas, daityas, gandharvas, except Lord Shiva & announced a Swayamvara-yagya & thought whatever is vidhi's vidhan that will happen. He called all the devas & daityas but Lord Shiva & arranged Sati's swayamvar.


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