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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 1:40am | IP Logged
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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 6:01am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Jaadoogar

Originally posted by madhavir108

Shubhangi, she has her opinion and we must respect that. I am sure Vinit fans must be getting equally irritated when we say that Hemu is better than Vinit!

Ummm, taken your responses positively. Glad we agree that Saathiya was a difficult song, and Vinit sang the same genre of songs. That settles some arguments.

Firstly, the reason this topic is not only to say why the judges gave him less marks but also to analyse why didn't he recieve his due credit. I will just give you some examples to begin with:

- If you have heard/seen the video of their group song Aaj Nahin Toh Kal, the singers who are shown the most are Sharib, Nihira, Vinit, Twinkle, Himani, Rajeev, Swananda, Debojeet, Rakhtima and Hemachandra (in the order of screen time).. You can barely hear his voice, in the video he is pushed to the background, if that is not neglecting than what it is?

- I am not a regular watcher of SRGMP on Zee since I live on the university and I used to just find out what was happening when I went home over the summer by watching ads on TV. Except in the beginning when they used to show Hemachandra's Lakshya song for the AS gharana, he was never marketted. I mean even in the episodes he got consistent greens, did any of the judges talk much about him? In the episode he got green over Abhijeet, Jagjit Singh commented more about Abhijit, in the episode he got green over Niladri and Sharib, Pt. Jasraj praised Sharib more but he never told why he gave Hema the green. Thats mine and sarangee and every1 else who is supporting Hema's belief. Did any1 notice him till he got to Agnipariksha ?I doubt it.. he didnt have a story about him.. there was no controversy at all, every participant had a story.. lets analyse

1) Debo - Wild Card Entry, had some rough moments in the rounds with judges since he never got green in first shot
2) Vinit - Wild Card Entry, if u saw Fame 2005, he thought he wasn't going to make through because he forgot the lyrics of the song
3) Himani - Sang for Chingari, the fainting episode
4) Nihira - from the first episode, every1 who had watched SRGMP before knew her, and she was always promoted as teh best singer of the show
5) Paresh - UK Factor, the Abhijit - Paresh controversy
6) Ujjaini - Getting eliminated over Raktima I think and then coming back with audience votes
7) Twinkle - getting preference over Swananda for one of the rounds when she was much much better, the whole performance aspect
8) Rajeev - Singing for Chingaari, his cook story
9) Sharib - controversy with Niladri and the tie breaker in the beginning
10) Swananda - UK Factor
11) Raktima - her mom getting heart attack..

what about Hemu did we know till he came to the agni pariksha ? absolutely NOTHING ! except the fact that his sister also took part and that he is very emotional.. the fact about his musical skills totally unfolded in Agnipariksha.. was there a reason for this to happen or are we just looking at things too microscopically /

I knew he was the only guy from south India and had good undivided solid vote bank unlike other contestants, who had many other from same region or did not have home state advantage. If south would not be supporting Hema he would be out in 3-4 round like Sharib and Nihira who were better and popular singers but without regional support.



I was talking about BEFORE he got to agni pariksha..this vote divide business started much later.. i think with paresh gettin voted out.. hmm i dont understand when u say Nihira didnt have regional support..she was the only contestant from mumbai.. and mumbai is known to strive to make a winner from tat state.. see how aggresively they promoted Abhijit Sawant and then even Amey Date.. Abhijit won and Amey lost because the north was able to vote for than people from west..
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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 6:21am | IP Logged
I really dont care for some people's comments, but it irritates me when they make some stupid analysis and judgements. Anyway I think we will carry on our discussion as before ignoring the rather caustic remarks. I agree Karunya is awewome, or wait, our expert forum members may find that he slipped sur or sang wrong swaras etc etc, but unfortunately for him diction is anot an issue. I wonder what they would other criticism they would come up with. I think Karunya would have been awesome on SRGMP but again the judges in Indian Idol are really fair, what can I say about SRGMP judges? enough discussed
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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 6:55am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Jaadoogar


Miyan me sai ke riya hoon, yeh training kucch nahin hota hai, main hema se accha alaap laga sakta hoon srgmp dekh kar. yeh sab god gifted hota hai. Debu is most versatile god gifted and trained singer. Hema is just trained singer. Par phir bhi wait karo larne jhagarne se koi bachcha mahan singer nahin ban jayega. Yeh sab abhi bachche hain seekh rahe hain bahut door jana hai. bekaar mein apna matha garam kar rahe hain sab log yahan. main to keta hoon yeh forum hi band kar do. na rahega baans na bajegi bansuri.



Are you for real? Please tell me how you make that distinction.  My hindi is weak, so, in English please.

IMO, having a gorgeous voice is god given, and having extra-ordinary talent (putting in your own touches in aalmost all songs) is god given. But only with training can one be successful. I have seen all the above in Hema.

Wat alaaps did you hear Hema vs Debo? Neither did a whole lot in SRGMP for you to make judgements on those.
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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 7:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Jaadoogar

Originally posted by madhavir108

Shubhangi, she has her opinion and we must respect that. I am sure Vinit fans must be getting equally irritated when we say that Hemu is better than Vinit!

Ummm, taken your responses positively. Glad we agree that Saathiya was a difficult song, and Vinit sang the same genre of songs. That settles some arguments.

Firstly, the reason this topic is not only to say why the judges gave him less marks but also to analyse why didn't he recieve his due credit. I will just give you some examples to begin with:

- If you have heard/seen the video of their group song Aaj Nahin Toh Kal, the singers who are shown the most are Sharib, Nihira, Vinit, Twinkle, Himani, Rajeev, Swananda, Debojeet, Rakhtima and Hemachandra (in the order of screen time).. You can barely hear his voice, in the video he is pushed to the background, if that is not neglecting than what it is?

- I am not a regular watcher of SRGMP on Zee since I live on the university and I used to just find out what was happening when I went home over the summer by watching ads on TV. Except in the beginning when they used to show Hemachandra's Lakshya song for the AS gharana, he was never marketted. I mean even in the episodes he got consistent greens, did any of the judges talk much about him? In the episode he got green over Abhijeet, Jagjit Singh commented more about Abhijit, in the episode he got green over Niladri and Sharib, Pt. Jasraj praised Sharib more but he never told why he gave Hema the green. Thats mine and sarangee and every1 else who is supporting Hema's belief. Did any1 notice him till he got to Agnipariksha ?I doubt it.. he didnt have a story about him.. there was no controversy at all, every participant had a story.. lets analyse

1) Debo - Wild Card Entry, had some rough moments in the rounds with judges since he never got green in first shot
2) Vinit - Wild Card Entry, if u saw Fame 2005, he thought he wasn't going to make through because he forgot the lyrics of the song
3) Himani - Sang for Chingari, the fainting episode
4) Nihira - from the first episode, every1 who had watched SRGMP before knew her, and she was always promoted as teh best singer of the show
5) Paresh - UK Factor, the Abhijit - Paresh controversy
6) Ujjaini - Getting eliminated over Raktima I think and then coming back with audience votes
7) Twinkle - getting preference over Swananda for one of the rounds when she was much much better, the whole performance aspect
8) Rajeev - Singing for Chingaari, his cook story
9) Sharib - controversy with Niladri and the tie breaker in the beginning
10) Swananda - UK Factor
11) Raktima - her mom getting heart attack..

what about Hemu did we know till he came to the agni pariksha ? absolutely NOTHING ! except the fact that his sister also took part and that he is very emotional.. the fact about his musical skills totally unfolded in Agnipariksha.. was there a reason for this to happen or are we just looking at things too microscopically /

I knew he was the only guy from south India and had good undivided solid vote bank unlike other contestants, who had many other from same region or did not have home state advantage. If south would not be supporting Hema he would be out in 3-4 round like Sharib and Nihira who were better and popular singers but without regional support.

jadoogarji, the topic is not why Hema did not win SRGMP, but about the judges attitude towards him. But anyway from your post, it seems like if HEma or anyone was from Assam he would hands down win this competition!! Thats absurd isnt it!!!

Nihira was the best not better. cannot say the same for Sharib, but he was definitely one of the good singers not consistent though.

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Originally posted by surma_bhopali

Easy easy people, nahin to phir lakkad doonga, keh riya hoon.

Jaadoogar miyan alaap, taan, murki, bol aadi takniki cheezein hain miyan, keh riya hoon. main bhi alaap kar sakta hoon aur sunne mein sur mein lagta hai miyan. Lekin baat yeh hai miyan ki raag par aadharit hona chahiye miyan. agar mere alaap mein doosre raag ke swar lag gaye miyan to woh alaap wahin besura ho jaata hai miyan, keh riya hoon. sunne mein shaayad madhur lage miyan. aakhir alaap cheez hi aisi hai. sama baandhta hai miyan. raag ke bhaav ka anumaan deta hai, aur vatavaran mein us bhaav ko baitha deta hai miyan alaap. bhav adhaarit hota hai swar-alankar par miyan. agar alaap mein mishrit swar lag gaye miyan, sama kya khaak bandhega Wink , keh riya hoon.

Agar aisi baat hoti miyaan, aap aur hum, aaj ke din, Pt. Jaadoogar aur Ust. Surma Bhopali hote aur main yahan lakkad nahin bech raha hota miyan, Pt. Jasraj ke chakke chuda raha hota.

isliye 3000 saal se miyan hamare mulk mein sangeet ke talim ki parampara chali aa rahi hai miyan. Jis khandaan mein sadiyon se gane bajane wale ustad hote hain, unme sangeet ke 'genes' gade hote hain miyan. Dagar Parivar ka naam to aapne suna hoga na miyan? aur Bangash parivar ka? Aise hi daccani hindustan mein Hema aur Karunya ka parivar hai miyan, keh riya hoon.

Seekhe huye gavaiyye aur aire gaire gavaiyye mein farq pata chal jata hai miyan. lakkad doon? jaise ki woh lucknow ka badtameez shehzada Vinit aur apne do ratan, Hema aur Debu.

Lekin hum kon hote hain bolne wale miyan. Hum to lakkad bechte hain. lakkad doon? Ekdum khara hai...

I couldnt understand the whole thing, but got the gist of it and I agree with you. Smile

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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 7:24am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Jaadoogar

Originally posted by autmother

I really dont care for some people's comments, but it irritates me when they make some stupid analysis and judgements. Anyway I think we will carry on our discussion as before ignoring the rather caustic remarks. I agree Karunya is awewome, or wait, our expert forum members may find that he slipped sur or sang wrong swaras etc etc, but unfortunately for him diction is anot an issue. I wonder what they would other criticism they would come up with. I think Karunya would have been awesome on SRGMP but again the judges in Indian Idol are really fair, what can I say about SRGMP judges? enough discussed

apun ko to yahan bahut sa log hi stupid lagta hai uska comment to door ki baat hai. lekin apun irritate nahin hota, kyunke yeh public forum hai everybody has eqaul right. everybody has their favorite singers, their choices are different so they will support their choice. Even Vinit's supporter are right if they feel Vinit is best because they like his singing. But tusi bahut jaldi irritate ho jaati ho. Agar irritation hota hai to discuss hi na kia karo.

point well taken jadoogarji. But it is one thing to appreciate someone, but another to criticise, isnt it. But will follow your adviseSmile

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Posted: 04 April 2006 at 7:28am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Jaadoogar

Originally posted by autmother

I really dont care for some people's comments, but it irritates me when they make some stupid analysis and judgements. Anyway I think we will carry on our discussion as before ignoring the rather caustic remarks. I agree Karunya is awewome, or wait, our expert forum members may find that he slipped sur or sang wrong swaras etc etc, but unfortunately for him diction is anot an issue. I wonder what they would other criticism they would come up with. I think Karunya would have been awesome on SRGMP but again the judges in Indian Idol are really fair, what can I say about SRGMP judges? enough discussed

apun ko to yahan bahut sa log hi stupid lagta hai uska comment to door ki baat hai. lekin apun irritate nahin hota, kyunke yeh public forum hai everybody has eqaul right. everybody has their favorite singers, their choices are different so they will support their choice. Even Vinit's supporter are right if they feel Vinit is best because they like his singing. But tusi bahut jaldi irritate ho jaati ho. Agar irritation hota hai to discuss hi na kia karo.



I think what autmother meant by stupid analysis was actually LACK of sesible analysis or any whatsoever. If you call  someone besura, you have to back it up with when and where. Otherwise, it is just bashing, and that's what the fans don't have tolerance for.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion,  if you are going to find faults in other singers, there should be some good points backing up your POV. Orelse don't.

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