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Posted: 23 April 2006 at 11:19am | IP Logged
gr8 alia u r back. i am so happy. Big smile

ps: we cant take part in the debate only moderate as we r neutral ( sam's decision)we hve to decide the winner of 'The Best Debator' award Smile

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are we discussing bout the prophecy

ohk... Big smile
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Posted: 23 April 2006 at 12:32pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by alia

heated discussion goin on...
cool... though am a lil Confused here...
hehe...
will sleep a lil then come back when brains start workin again Tongue

LOL


 YAY!!!! u are back.. quite early though.. but hey this is good news... Big smile


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Originally posted by lunza

OMG , i visited the forum jus today morning , two more pages hav bin added LOL ...

By the way achal , did u read my second post on page 71 ? what do u think about it ?


Yeah, I did read it, but I'll comment about it later, 'cuz I have to sign off now.. But I have to say, u have gr8 theories and make very valid points...
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wat is it all bout..????
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so wat up pplz!!!!!! Tongue

sry i argue lata....dont feel like it.....now!!! Wink
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Originally posted by achal

A mark? We can't simply call the scar a simple mark, can we? Otherwise, it wouldn't be so sensitive.. Do a simple scar you have hurt whenever your enemy is near you? It might be there because od the spell, but we can't say it's just a simple mark.. There are some secrets behind that scar, and all I'm saying it might be one of Voldy's horcrux, otherwise it wouldn't be so sensitive..

that is not entirely necessary..... the AV curse by itself has considerable magical power behind... I would like to take you all to Book 4 (GoF) where the fake Moody (Barty Couch Jr.) tells his class about the AV. He says that even if da whole class went ahead n pointed their wands towards him n said he wouldn't get as much as nosebleed.  My point here is dat maybe as an AV curse rips the soul from da body, maybe wen da curse backfired from Harry n hit Voldy maybe becoz of Voldy's hocruxes it also ripped sum of his powers n transferred to the nearest magical entity i.e. Harry. in da process leaving him (harry) wid a scar. maybe this is why harry is able to feel voldy's feelings.

Originally posted by achal


I dunno about this one either.. Are you sure that love is the charm needed to seal a horcrux.. I've never heard this before.. Maybe it isn't love that is needed to seal a horcrux at all, since making a horcrux is a very evil thing, and it requires killing, and splitting of the soul....

I dunno about love being a charm to seal a hocrux... n wid voldy involved luv being da charm is very unlikely..... whatever the spell/incantation is it is least likely to contain love as an ingedient .... can't imagine voldy remotely thinking about luv in da first place

Originally posted by achal

 But why would he want to? It would be much easier to just kill than have a horcrux as an enemy.. If he had attempted to remove his soul first, then Harry might've done something to harm Voldy before he could do anything.. He couldn't just waste his time doing that.. I know that Voldy loves him too much, but he also knows that he has many other horcruxes.. He doesn't yet know that Harry already knows about his horcruxes, so hw wouldn't think twice about destroying one od his own horcruxes that was a threat to him, just for the sake of his other souls.. Why would he waste his time thinking about a soul of his that is within his enemy?

see we have already seen dat Harry is no match for Voldy. even in da graveyard we see dat Voldy is merely playin around wid Harry till he decides to kill him... Harry merely survives becoz of Priori Incantatem then. So if you say that Harry would have done sumthin to harm voldy that sounds a very indistinct possibility to me (or in dat case even to the most eternal optimist) Y i say this is becoz in da numerous times Harry has met Voldy it is always voldy who has harmed (or tried to) Harry never da other way round (except in da atrium of da MoM, where also he was able to possess Harry long enough to scare Dumbledore)

Originally posted by achal

ONLY Voldy's powers? Speaking parseltongue might be one of the power, but knowing how Voldy feels at a certain time, I don't think that can only be called a power transfered when a strong spell backfired.. It is something more, something that might've been influenced by a soul you have of someone else within u.. I agree that Harry doesn't have qualities of Voldy exactly, but if only scar is the horcrux, then it should have very less influence on u, like feeling what the other person is feeling, and having wierd visions.. Things that have to do with brain, since Harry's scar is nearest to his brain.. His bravery and his positiveness is in his heart, which has very less influence by his scar..

Very true but in da same argument it can also be said dat Voldy might have transferred a part of his powers to Harry wen his AV backfired the reasons for which I have already given above.

 

Originally posted by achal

Well, I dunno about this one, but I guess because it was just a scar that was a horcrux, it had a lesser influence than having your whole body possesed by someone else..

in dat case Voldy must have even lesser control over Nagini becoz dere is no mention of Nagini even having dat (a scar) so 1 scar less control.... no scar even more less control... rite .....

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Originally posted by T.

Originally posted by zara29


Also, How can Voldemort (not harry the "object" or harry's scar the "object") turn against Voldemort himself? Tom Riddle in the Diary did not. how would Harry's SCAR turn against him?

but the diary was just an object & it possess Voldy's soul..& Harry is a living being...He has his own soul too...Tonguethough he is connected 2 voldy through his scar but v cant say his scar is just an object...

Originally posted by T.

But his scar is not a living thing. It is a wound on Harry (the living thing). If the scar is possessed by Voldemort, it will not turn against Voldemort. (Confused much? LOLSee, thats why I dont think the scar is a horcrux. Its just too weird.)   

Originally posted by achal

But the scar just had part of Voldy's soul, compared to whole Harry's soul.. I think in this case, Harry's soul would be much stronger than just part of Voldy's soul.. Also remember that Harry is protected by love...

 yup~achal is right...as  i hav said this earliar  that Hary has his own soul too...so his scar doesnt affect his own soulEmbarrassed

Originally posted by T.

Originally posted by zara29



No one else will be able to destroy Voldy, least of all Neville.

Neville is important, but his strength is no match for Voldy. Characters change in the course of 6 books. Ginny grew stronger too. That does not mean she will kill Voldy.

lol..Ginny killing Voldy...LOL..but bro...Neville indirectly related 2 that [fake]prophecyEmbarrassedso..He [may ] hav imp part in killing voldy

Originally posted by T.

Bro kaun? Confused I am not a bro. Tonguelolz..Im shhorryEmbarrassedsis!Smile

I disagree. As I had said earlier, the prophecy was only "fake" until Voldy made it come true by killing the Potters. Neither Harry nor Voldy will rest while the other survives. One of them has to kill the other. And if Evil (voldemort) triumphs over good by killing harry, then the entire "moral" of this tale is lost.


Originally posted by achal

But, it doesn't at all talk about both of them dying, so if JKR really were to act upon the phrophecy, both of them could die..

yup! but the end of the story[abt prophecy] is that wateva is stated in that prophecy is not true...now if voldy made it true by killing potters ths doesnt mean that the prophecy wud cum true now...It was fake & will remain fake...[lols...now v hav moved from horcrux 2 prophecy issue]LOLLOL

Originally posted by T.

Neville was another possibility but ONLY before Voldy acted on the prophecy. He may play an important role in getting Harry to Voldy so that Harry can kill him. So, by THAT account, he may play an important part in Voldy's death. But, he will NOT directly kill Voldy.

Originally posted by achal

He might not, and Harry might have to kill hismelf after killing Voldy, after finding out he is a horcrux..

yeh me too think the same[as achal said]Embarrassed after killing voldy,harry may find out that a part of voldy's soul is still possessed by him so he wud kill himself



Edited by zara29 - 24 April 2006 at 12:28am

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