Originally posted by: T.
[quote=achal]I dunno about this one either.. Are you
sure that love is the charm needed to seal a horcrux.. I've never heard
this before.. Maybe it isn't love that is needed to seal a horcrux at
all, since making a horcrux is a very evil thing, and it requires
killing, and splitting of the soul....[/quote]
Exactly. But, as Slughorn said you need to also seal the horcrux into an object
with a charm. What charm was performed on that night? you say there was
a splitting of the soul. But, you agree with me that love was too pure
a thing to seal anything as evil as a horcrux.
So, how did the horcrux get sealed in a SCAR, in a WOUND of all things?
We talked
about the charm of love protecting Harry that night.. So, maybe it was
the charm of love that sealed the scar, the horcrux, in the first
place.. Other horcruxes might be sealed by something else, but if the
scar is the horcrux, then maybe it is protected by the shield of love
that is protecting Harry as well, since the scar is on his forehead..
Well, love is the most powerful charm in the world. and I bet whatever
is used to seal the other horcruxes is not as powerful as love.. That
makes it the evil that is in the scar (meaning Voldy's soul) against
love, the most positive, powerful thing in the world.. Maybe that's why
the scar doesn't have that much affect on Harry, and Voldy isn't able
to possess Harry, like he was able to possess Ginny... It is meantioned
on the book many times that love is most important, this mught be one
of the most important causes of love in this book....
Another argument you made was that Voldy would kill off a horcrux
which turned against him. Again, that does not make sense as that would
bring him closer to mortality. But,
if he lives after killing Harry, and his own soul within Harry that is
against him, then he might feel that he can, and will, certainly kill
more people, therefore being able to make more horcruxes... Voldemort means one who can never die. His greatest fear is death or mortality. Why would he subject his own soul to his greatest fear?
Also,
How can Voldemort (not harry the "object" or harry's scar the "object")
turn against Voldemort himself? Tom Riddle in the Diary did not. how
would Harry's SCAR turn against him?
But, like I
just said earlier, if Voldy's soul in the scar, is sealed off by love,
than that would certainly have a huge affect on that soul.. It is the
most powerful thing against Voldy's evil soul, don't u think that would
have a greater affect and the soul within would be forced to do what
Harry does, or not act at all.. It couldn't possess Harry completely if
it is sealed by love.. Voldy himself, with his own whole soul, was
nothing against love, so what is just part of his soul selaed by love
gonna do? Just maybe some side-affects that Harry gets...
Again, I repeat, there is a "connection" between them which is the
scar. It gives voldy access to some of Harry's thoughts via long
distance and vice versa. The scar is something like the Dark Mark which
the Death Eaters have. They are summoned by Voldy even from great
distances. The marks are not souls. But does the death mark on other death eater's arm allow them to feel what Voldy is feeling?
The only difference between them and the scar was that the spell
backfired giving harry more power and knowledge than he was supposed to
have. The connection is special but it is NOT A HORCRUX. I
agree with u that the connection is special, that it is something
different... And, since I can't give any other name to this "special
connection" I'm calling it a horcrux...
With regards to
the prophecy, it is very clear that Neville will not kill Voldemort
especially in Book 6. I can't quote verbatim, but that entire chat with whom? made it very clear that Harry would have to kill Voldy not anyone else. Well then maybe he will kill Voldy and die later... But, I'm only for one thing, HE WILL DIE, no matter what the reason is...
As Dumbledore said: The prophecy was not important, BUT, Voldy ACTED on it and made the first attack.
But, Voldy
hasn't heard all of the phrophecy, has he? He might want to go a kill
Harry, and at that time, really unexpectedly, Neville might come
beside him and kill him.. If this is the case, then it'll be easier for
Neville than to come face-to-face with the Dark Lord.. Although I have
to say, this would be very stupid..😳
He gave Harry the mark and powers and he even left some sort of a connection between them. Harry MUST kill him in the end as Neither can live while the other survives.
Yup, neither
can live while the other survives.. That is talking about when
both of them living... But what about both of them dying? The phrophecy
doesn't talk about that does it? So that is a great possibility...
Even if Harry would not want to kill, Voldy will never stop hunting
for him (out of fear that Harry could kill him in the end). It was the
difference between defending oneself when attacked unexpected and going
into battle with one's head held high. After harry finds all the horcruxes, he will have to kill Voldy.
After Harry
finds all the horcruxes, and I think u forgot to mention, destroy them
as well, will he have to kill Voldy.. But what is at that time, he
finds out, he, himself, is a horcrux. Wouldn't he have to destory
himself as well?
No one else will be able to destroy Voldy, least of all Neville. But, he could be... Afterall, he was the other person who could be marked by Voldy due to the phrophecy...
Neville
is important, but his strength is no match for Voldy. Characters change
in the course of 6 books. Ginny grew stronger too. That does not mean
she will kill Voldy.
But it is
diferrent.. Ginny getting stronger, that is in case if asking Harry
out, and that sort of thing.. Not strong enough to kill Voldy.. And
besides, she wasn't mentioned at all, when Dumbledore was talking about
the phrophecy as the other person who could be marked by Voldy.. The
only thing I don't understand is why is Neville the one mentioned while
talking about the phrophecy, why does JKR give so much importance to
him?
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