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Startling Differences KKG/ASR (Page 4)

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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 11:17am | IP Logged
I think this whole ASR versus Khushi realization track has been done deliberately, and I really hope Im not giving the CVs too much credit here. ASR does not care about hurting others, or peoples' happiness in general, his world is his Di, and he exists for himself and for her. He has been pretty upfront with himself, and his inner monologue is direct. He has the freedom for self examination, because he has only himself to think of, and his own reactions are all he considers. Khushi puts herself last, and while that irritates the hell out of me, this has been a consistent character trait, and in this instance, it means she wont give herself the luxury of examining a desire and longing she feels she has no right to. Think of how ASR speaks to himself in complete sentences, dwelling on things, replaying events again and again. In direct contrast,  Khushi wont even allow herself to finish a thought, interrupting her own mind as if she cant even have him inner world. She mentally imagines them together and then cuts things off mid scene, tries to force herself to sleep, or goes and makes jalebis.

Several facets of Khushi's personality that we know from the start kind of contribute to her current frozen mindset-first, of course, is that she has no good goddamn clue what the physical feelings that ASR stirs in her are. When she's being stalked like a doe in the woods, she seems to have about as much idea as Bambi would about what this brooding intense guy wants from her.  She reacts, of course, but why she is reacting is as much a mystery  to her as her ability to always buy matching hair and kameez pompoms is to me.

ASR, he knows whats going on with him physically, and so can focus on his reactions to Khushi emotionally (and by the way, if I see one more grammatically/ butchered " Is ASR VARGIN?"  type post from our resident 13 year olds, I will shoot myself).

Finally there is the issue of her being trained since childhood to mask her emotions, and always, always make sure she's not going to be left behind by a loved one by being the one who protects others, and that has now stretched to include ASR's family/Lavaniya.

She responded to him during Diwali, but the shot that resonated for me  was how she focused on Lavaniya's head on his shoulders, and smiled through her tears for Lavaniya's sake as well when she was brought back to the party. There was the scene where she needed to feed everyone sweets to be included somehow even in the breaking of her own heart. She wont be offering that battered organ to the man who woke it up, and then strangled it, all in one go.

She then got engaged to Shyam, and I for one would have had a problem with physical Rabba Ve moments between the two of them, while Khushi has voluntarily engaged herself to another man.  She still does not know that La is not going to marry ASR, and so any heart rending sighs and sobs would be out of place for her to indulge in, because she truly wants La's happiness, and wont betray her, or her own self respect. I commend that,

Now, if the journey to allowing herself to fall in love with him fully doesn't start after the Payash engagement when she knows they are both footloose and fancy free, the CVs will have an angry monster on their hands, and I don't mean the Rakshas, I mean me...


 

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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 11:23am | IP Logged
i think so that she feels for arnav...but she doesnt want to admit arnav is getting engaged to La (Thats wht she thinks)...but she does have feelings for him for sure

And for arnav i think that he doesnt want to admit his feelings b/c he is afraid that he might get betrayed...thats wht 1 of the promos also showed...that he loves her but does not want to let her know!!
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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 11:24am | IP Logged
I honestly feel Khushi isn't in love with Arnav... its just infatuation...she still hasnt realised wht that feeling is ... remember how she keeps saying pata nahi hume kya hua hai ...hume samajh nahi raha etc... IMO she was starting to fall for him when the diwali fiasco happened and he brushed her aside rudely.. and after that he kept hurting her again by his gold digger remarks.. I guess after the incident where he offered her the lehnga as a tip she gave up her feelings for him completely... Its still a crush from her side but ASR is in love with her and that's why we get to see more strong emotions from his side EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed

About her not disclosing Shayams truth ... yeah that is indeed weird and something which I don't support her for ... but she is a very young girl and very immature!! How could her stupid family let her go alone and deal with this isse is beyond me!! This is a very serious thing and they should have gone with her to give her support. They are acting like its all Khushi's fault and its her responsibility to sort it out Dead An 18 year old girl doesn't have that much maturity to deal with such a major issue especially when a 30 something woman is sobbing hysterically over a magalsutra ka hadsa ConfusedLOL Had I been in her place I would have run too!! LOL Although she's being super idiotic by beleivin that syam will imrpve and all but oh well she's immature I guess .. I blame her family and her so called mom for not telling her it's wrong ... they are all a bunch of losers!

P.S You write really well!! Love reading ur posts!!  Embarrassed


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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 11:36am | IP Logged
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Listen KKG only knows dat shyam had cheated on both the families..she doesnt knw yet dat shyam is also an evil person,who is responsible 4 babuji's present condition or dat shyam married anjali only 4 money...in d mangalsutra scene,if anjali hadnt blown things out f proportion ovr such a small issue the truth wd hv been definitely out f d bag..anjali ovrreacted ovr such a small issue,thn imagine wht will happens if she cums 2 knw abt shyam??& dnt u remember,whn khushi just started 2 work n d raizada mansion just bcoz asr opposed 2 her working there,anjali bacame sooo emotional dat she locked herself n her room & thn went out of RM widout mentioning ne1 & went 2 d mandir???at dat time d relation btwn anjali & khushi was more professional thn personal & still d former reacted lyk dat..I'm not supporting kkg's action but we all knw dat d truth wd hv been 2 much 4 anjali 2 accpt,a person who strted praying bcz her mangalsutra was broken & at d next moment started calling up panditji bcoz f dis?& in 2day's episode khushi was a bit sad aftr praying 4 asr-la..isnt dat normal??she hs feelings 4 asr,aftr all???do u xpct her 2 b happy??  

Then I shudder to think what will happen when the full truth comes out, that not only is her husband a cheater, but also someone capable of murder. What's she going to do then? Convince her father not to report the attacks? Hope that he'll change his ways? 
if kkg had really knwn abt shyam's evil nature,dat shyam was d 1 who tried 2 kill her babuji,she wd hv certainly disclosed d truth 2 anjali irrespective of d mangalsutra issue,or hw gud or bad the entire raizada family is..newyz y r u hell bent on portraying khushi as a bad person???

A bad person? When did I say that? I actually love the character that is Khushi. I just think the CVs are doing her (and the show) an injustice by changing the things about her that makes the audience love her so much. There is young and then there is young, there is silly and then more silly... It's not the character, it's what's being scripted.

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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 11:38am | IP Logged
Originally posted by napstermonster

I think this whole ASR versus Khushi realization track has been done deliberately, and I really hope Im not giving the CVs too much credit here. ASR does not care about hurting others, or peoples' happiness in general, his world is his Di, and he exists for himself and for her. He has been pretty upfront with himself, and his inner monologue is direct. He has the freedom for self examination, because he has only himself to think of, and his own reactions are all he considers. Khushi puts herself last, and while that irritates the hell out of me, this has been a consistent character trait, and in this instance, it means she wont give herself the luxury of examining a desire and longing she feels she has no right to. Think of how ASR speaks to himself in complete sentences, dwelling on things, replaying events again and again. In direct contrast,  Khushi wont even allow herself to finish a thought, interrupting her own mind as if she cant even have him inner world. She mentally imagines them together and then cuts things off mid scene, tries to force herself to sleep, or goes and makes jalebis.

Several facets of Khushi's personality that we know from the start kind of contribute to her current frozen mindset-first, of course, is that she has no good goddamn clue what the physical feelings that ASR stirs in her are. When she's being stalked like a doe in the woods, she seems to have about as much idea as Bambi would about what this brooding intense guy wants from her.  She reacts, of course, but why she is reacting is as much a mystery  to her as her ability to always buy matching hair and kameez pompoms is to me.

ASR, he knows whats going on with him physically, and so can focus on his reactions to Khushi emotionally (and by the way, if I see one more grammatically/ butchered " Is ASR VARGIN?"  type post from our resident 13 year olds, I will shoot myself).

Finally there is the issue of her being trained since childhood to mask her emotions, and always, always make sure she's not going to be left behind by a loved one by being the one who protects others, and that has now stretched to include ASR's family/Lavaniya.

She responded to him during Diwali, but the shot that resonated for me  was how she focused on Lavaniya's head on his shoulders, and smiled through her tears for Lavaniya's sake as well when she was brought back to the party. There was the scene where she needed to feed everyone sweets to be included somehow even in the breaking of her own heart. She wont be offering that battered organ to the man who woke it up, and then strangled it, all in one go.

She then got engaged to Shyam, and I for one would have had a problem with physical Rabba Ve moments between the two of them, while Khushi has voluntarily engaged herself to another man.  She still does not know that La is not going to marry ASR, and so any heart rending sighs and sobs would be out of place for her to indulge in, because she truly wants La's happiness, and wont betray her, or her own self respect. I commend that,

Now, if the journey to allowing herself to fall in love with him fully doesn't start after the Payash engagement when she knows they are both footloose and fancy free, the CVs will have an angry monster on their hands, and I don't mean the Rakshas, I mean me...



well said!!ClapClapi think u interpret Khushi in the exact same way as i do...but u explained it so well in so much words!.

n lol i love that last line btwLOL


Edited by princessunara - 15 December 2011 at 11:41am

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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 11:43am | IP Logged
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Khushi has been so much battered from all sides... Just when she thought she had some feelings ASR crushed it. And she was dreaming about a main who was too high for her. She knew it. She felt encouragement from him and than the kiss scene. And it was all gone. Later on life thought her another bitter lesson. That not to trust people. There can be dual faced monsters.  I still doubt that CVs will show anything from her end towards ASR. I want ASR to be make her feel that she is that someone special in his life and repeat the same dialogues what he wanted to tell her but said in front of a wrong person. That will trigger something in Khushi's brain.Till then I really have no hopes.

Yes, but that's exactly it. He crushed her hopes, and feelings too probably. But he also did the same to himself. And in a worse way... He battered himself, lied to himself, ignored, played mean, played cruel, pushed her, pushed her away, announced an engagement in the hopes of running, everything... But his progress was still evident. Nothing crushed what he was really developing for her in terms of feelings, and it was shown. Not so with KKG... It's like she was suddenly taken with him at Diwali, crushed and then didn't feel anything again. Where are her growing feelings? Where are the feelings she's trying to suppress? Where is her turmoil over allowing herself to feel or refusing to? We get nothing from her in terms of that. If this is a story about two people's journey to finding love with each other, then show it being about the TWO people kwim?


di I'll answer that part in red...
One question, have u ever known someone with Khushi's characteristics?that impulsive jovial nature and happy go lucky, who bounces back no matter what happens?no matter how screwed up everything is may be after a good soul cleansing crying jag seems to act as if nothing is wrong?
well if u knew someone like that..u won't say so..cz these happy go lucky, seemingly very light hearted types use this joy as a defense mechanism..i really can't explain what it is..but for someone like that when they r faced with a problem there comes two solutions to mind..

first being, keep on thinking of it and get confused & depressed even more..
the second is start on a clean slate, pretend as if nothing happened..almost unconsciously make that decision that 'I am no longer going to care about it cz thinking about it will not make what happened to rewind'..so these people pretend even to themselves, or rather it would be right to say that they convince themselves of it..it is not living a lie..they simply accept this second option.and it gives them the strength to move on and genuinely be happy up to a certain extend despite the pain...

and the reason the 1st option is out is, these outwardly happy go lucky types actually care, care so much that the pain will be unbearable and then they'll be the first to break if they do not use this naturally built in defense mechanism..so it isn't the apparent immaturity that everyone else sees when they look at such a person..

so well, i think i can kind of understand why khushi is doing it and how she can bring herself to react like that..

n @the 1st post..definitely it brought out startling differences to the forefront for us to observe..and i really loved that final scene where she comes back to get blessings for Arnav & Lavanya..her hesitation..a small faltering in her resolve..but once again as if she is literally shaking this feeling off her head she takes the blessings on their behalf with an unsteady hand and goes away..

so hopefully she might let hope to enter her heart once again,  n soon...



I understand happy go lucky people, and that's not my point at all. She can be happy go lucky all through the show, but as someone already pointed out, this show is about her and him, not him and his feelings for her, and her and everyone else's feelings BUT what she feels for him. It's not being shown, it's as simple as that. Otherwise, add a little more maturity to her and she's good to go. Hope that makes sense.

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I guess the vital difference is they are at different stages in their grieving process. While he has worked his way through the 7 stages of grief pretty well starting from shock and denial to pain and guilt and is now very much on the acceptance and hope part of his process she is still in the first stage of shock and denial with a bit of anger thrown in and probably has just started the bargaining part

I guess her coping mechanism was to crush any vestige of feelings she felt for him especially after he made her feel like a mercenary tramp right after she freely and willingly gave herself to him symbolically. Any woman would feel dirty and cheap after a man were to discard them like they were tawdry play toy that he had no use for anymore. Every time she tried to look for some redeeming quality in him that would make her feel that her response to him was not wrong, alas he only reinforced that belief and also made her feel she was his dirty little secret best kept private between them. I guess she decided in the end to erase any vestige of emotion she had for him if she wanted to retain her respect and sanity.

The irony today is that he is slowly but surely falling in love with her and she has surely but slowly fallen out of  love . Poetic Justice!Wink

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Posted: 15 December 2011 at 12:01pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mommamia

Khushi has been so much battered from all sides... Just when she thought she had some feelings ASR crushed it. And she was dreaming about a main who was too high for her. She knew it. She felt encouragement from him and than the kiss scene. And it was all gone. Later on life thought her another bitter lesson. That not to trust people. There can be dual faced monsters.  I still doubt that CVs will show anything from her end towards ASR. I want ASR to be make her feel that she is that someone special in his life and repeat the same dialogues what he wanted to tell her but said in front of a wrong person. That will trigger something in Khushi's brain.Till then I really have no hopes.
hi momma  when i was reading your post i realised that ASR started trusting people and because of that snake KKG won't trust people that much anymore...its a pity she learnt her lesson the hard way.

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