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Posted: 24 March 2006 at 11:52pm | IP Logged

I have been wondering why in India we give such weigtage and glory to playback singing whereby creativity is bound to the films script, the heroes image and the story/situation?

Why is it that here we dont think of Singing artists as our ICONS, who are supposed only to be heard and not seen or expected to have any charisma?

Here a popstar is always relegated to a second fiddle to their playback counterparts. However good a singer is in Pop-music, if s/he does not get a film offer it is considered below his worth?

Today a Sonu Nigum has to change his voice to suit the voice of a ShaRukh..
Why is it when he creates his own albums or make his own compositions and when it makes record sales it does not compete with the Bollywood film music, and we get SONU NIGUM the Singing Star? I like Himesh Reshmiya that way, he is creating his own market and his Music is the STAR of a film...

I am not from the music industry, have zero knowledge of how it works, but I hear these music labels give some obscene amount to the production houses to get those labels..Perhaps, the Singer-composer who creates these need to get more weightage. I read playback singers gets miserly amounts...

Will the uncoupling of Bollywood and Music happen in India?
Whereby Music companies would be contracted by the Producer and they create the whole music of a film, as they do incase of graphics or special effects.

Do we give more attention to our Bollywood stars than our Singing ICONS?
Perhaps the time has come when we as viewers need to change that scene, perhaps these reality shows will change our perceptions and we try to find our next music ICON! Indian Idol Abhijit Sawant, Jodi No1 Qazi Touqeer/Ruprekha are making things change in their own small ways......I feel.

I would like your views on this..

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This is a great topic. Here's an article from Rediff that may interest some members, its addresses some of the points in ticks post. Check out the highlighted parts:


What's wrong with India's music industry?

Abhilasha Ojha in New Delhi | September 05, 2005

On the surface, the Indian music industry seems peaceful enough, steeped in glamour, and a perfect blend of melodies. Look closer though and you'll see the rifts -- little faultlines that indicate a strain in the relationship between artistes and music companies.

And this strain has come to a head with the registration, last month, of the Singers' Association of India, which aims to tackle the "problems faced by the industry today."

Problems? Isn't this the industry everyone wants to be part of -- an industry that has given us our Indian Idol Abhijeet Sawant, our desi crooner Rabbi Shergill, and that is increasingly attracting global voices such as Trickbaby, Juggy D and Raghav, to name just a few?

It's also the industry where Pakistani artistes Junoon, Strings, Fuzon and, more recently, Jal and Ali Zafar, are finding a firm foothold as they release albums to an increasing fan following. A place for artistes to co-exist happily in, to live and let live?

Not quite.

This industry, which in the 1990s boasted of a turnover of Rs 1,150 crore (Rs 11.50 billion), now stands abysmally low at Rs 450 crore (Rs 4.50 billion). What's more, the notes and melodies are shaky, out of tune and discordant as the industry is plagued with controversies, discontent and a growing unrest between music companies on the one hand, and music composers, lyricists and singers on the other.

In other words, strip the music industry of its sheen and one finds a range of issues that need urgent attention. As well-known playback singer and television anchor Shaan says, "It's easy to highlight the trends of the music industry, but that's the glamorous part." A brief pause and he adds, "Let's discuss the real story."

But what is the real story? Different versions rest with different parties. While music directors, singers and lyricists take a break from strumming their instruments to point fingers at music companies for mistreating them, the latter have their own ripostes. But whatever the disagreement, both sides agree that the issue of piracy that has eaten into the music industry and left it hollow.

Palash Sen, lead singer of New Delhi-based group Euphoria, says, "Technology has advanced considerably and expanded the listeners' base, what with people downloading music at a low cost. Music is easily heard on radio channels, music videos are shown on television and people are happily listening to innumerable songs on their MP3 players. However, this is precisely what has led to a considerable decrease in the sales of the music albums."

Nobody, says Sen, wants to buy music cassettes or CDs any more "because they're happily downloading music off the Net." Savio D'Souza, secretary general, Indian Music Industry (IMI) agrees, citing this as one of the prime reasons why the industry has bled profusely in the past few years. "The industry has lost nearly Rs 450 crore to piracy," he confirms.

But this is where the duet between IMI and musicians ends, with both parties opting for a solo track thereafter.

Take Singers' Association of India (SAI), the association started by playback singer Sonu Nigam along with colleagues Alka Yagnik and Suresh Wadekar that, in the singer's own words, "is aimed at tapping the real issues that music companies fail to address."

What could possibly prompt Nigam, one of India's busiest playback singers, to make such a statement? "If you hear the hit song 'Kajrare' from the film Bunty aur Babli, it's called the Aishwarya-Amitabh-Abhishek song. No one calls it the Shankar Mahadevan-Alisha Chinai-Jaaved Ali song. It's such a wrong attitude, and that's what we want to change," he says firmly.

He feels music companies need to aggressively market singers, encourage the non-film music market, give them their fair share of royalty and, essentially, "give singers due respect." His colleague Kunal Ganjawalla, also a member of SAI, puts it simply, "You can't mix the Grammy awards with the Oscars."

"As long as the issue of royalty remains unsettled," he says, "musicians will continue to be insecure." Music companies, he feels, need to have faith in their artistes, and the industry on the whole needs to be structured properly and give artistes their rightful share of money.

The controversies regarding royalty seem to be on the minds of almost everyone in the industry. What's more, with technology advancing so rapidly, musicians want a share of the pie on not just cassettes and CDs but also from radio and television channels that air their songs, from sites that allow people to download music, and from ringtones that are being downloaded at a rapid pace.

FIGURATIVELY SPEAKING
Rs 1,150 crore
The total size of the
Indian music industry
Rs 450 crore
Losses due to piracy
Rs 15 crore
Money earned through ringtone downloads
Rs 400 crore
Organised market of film music in India
Rs 100 crore
Organised market for non-film music in India
APPROXIMATE COST OF INVESTING IN A MUSIC ALBUM
Total cost
Anywhere between Rs 35-50 lakh
Dubbing, mixing mastering
Approximately Rs 12 lakh
Cost per video
Rs 10 lakh (usually the artiste does two videos)
Cost of promoting the album (ad spots on radio and television, posters etc)
Rs 15 lakh

"If we compose a tune and it is played in pubs, discos or even live shows, we should rightfully be earning royalties on the music," says music director Ehsaan Noorani, who says that "The ringtones issue is the latest controversy that needs to be urgently addressed by the music fraternity."

It turns out that music directors, singers and lyricists are demanding an equitable share of revenue for their music that ends up as ringtone downloads.

Currently, music companies end up cornering what, according to musicians, should be rightfully theirs. Though there are no reports to suggest how big the ringtone market is in India, Rakesh Nigam, general manager, Indian Performing Rights Society (IPRS), confirms that nearly 200,000 ringtones are downloaded in India everyday.

With film and popular song downloads becoming increasingly popular, the telecom companies are charging anywhere between Rs 7 and Rs 12 per ringtone download. IPRS's Nigam adds that of the Rs 7 for a single ringtone download, the lion's share -- nearly 60 per cent -- goes to the mobile service provider, while 25 per cent rests with the copyright owners (usually music companies which, in turn, are expected to pay the artistes) and 15 per cent is given to the government. But writers and composers gripe that they are barely paid 12 paise of this Rs 7, if at all.

D'Souza, however, makes a point, "The business of ringtones," he says, "contributes merely Rs 15 crore (Rs 150 million) of the music industry's total revenue."

He feels musicians blaming music companies for having wronged them and robbed them of their rightful royalty should understand that a majority of music companies are in the red due to issues plaguing the industry: "We're losing money to piracy."

He feels that the division of revenue, not just for ringtones but also for music albums, is based on individual contracts signed with the composers and singers. "If the contract gives the copyright of a music album to the company then obviously it (the company) has every right on the music."

While most musicians admit the issue of royalty has invariably hit the wrong chords with music companies, some musicians willingly offer an explanation.

Music director Anu Malik, for instance, asks, "Can I refuse a Shah Rukh Khan film on a royalty issue? I don't think so." He strongly feels musicians too need to adapt and accept changes in technology. "You can't stop iPods from coming into the market, or for that matter ringtones from getting downloaded."

Musicians say it's precisely for this reason that they've now increasingly started airing their views. "If technology is changing rapidly, we have even more reasons to be informed of our rights."

He argues, "As musicians we're not greedy, we're just becoming aware." Call it awareness or the need to keep in step with the changing times or even a fight for their rights, the issues regarding royalty are clearly stepping up the tempo for musicians.

Though most of the music fraternity is tight-lipped about forming an organisation, sources admit that musicians like Lalit Pandit (Jatin-Lalit), Aadesh Srivastava and Javed Akhtar are garnering a lot of goodwill and support from their colleagues.

"Javed Sa'ab has been going to Kolkata quite often since the past one year with regards to a court case that involves IMI and musicians on a particular royalty issue," admits this source who adds, "Funds are being collected invariably for this cause and I'm told nearly Rs 2 lakh is spent every month on this case alone."

D'Souza refuses to comment on the issue, saying the matter is still sub judice. However, he feels musicians are missing the core issue. "We should be tackling the issue of piracy, we should be worried about recovering the losses that are to the tune of anywhere between Rs 450-500 crore (Rs 4.5-5 billion)," he feels.

Musicians, however, argue that it's not just a recent trend; music companies have robbed them of their righful dues for a long time.

Music director Aadesh Srivastava explains, "Our seniors haven't been given justice at all. Till date, senior composers like Khyaam Sa'ab and Pyarelalji (of Laxmikant-Pyarelal) are waiting for royalties from some of their films." "Music companies," says  Srivastava rather sternly, "create plastic boxes; it's ultimately our music that's helping them sell those boxes."

Not always, feels D'Souza. "When the film Murder was released, HMV Saregama paid more royalty to the concerned parties. The music was such a hit and sold tremendously, which is why the company didn't hesitate to give them their due," he argues.

Shamir Tandon, general manager, Virgin Records (India) and music director, stresses further, "Invariably, artistes end up signing rotten deals with companies and regret it later."

He may have a point because controversies echo not just in the film music fraternity but also in the non-film albums category that make up nearly Rs 100 crore (Rs 1 billion) of the total music market in India.

Back in the '90s, when the music industry was beginning to open up to an increasing number of Indi-pop acts, companies didn't hesitate to invest in promoting artistes. The norm at the time was to approach music companies with a good demo (usually of three songs or more) after which the companies decided to invest accordingly.

Today, music bands and Indi-pop artistes have to invest their own money to bring out an album. "Music companies continued to encourage half-baked products and subsequently declined," says a source.

A majority of Indian artistes feel that it's this attitude of the Indian music companies that has encouraged international artistes like Trickbaby, Juggy D and Raghav to capture the Indian market. Usually, the cost of bringing out a non-film music album is anywhere between Rs 35 lakh (Rs 3.5 million) and Rs 50 lakh (Rs 5 million).

A majority of artistes feel that music companies are not willing to shell out that kind of money on their artistes and would prefer the artistes to give them the finished product.

This means that the artiste records the album, complete with mixing and mastering, and also shells out the money for the music videos. The role of music companies, feel musicians, has been relegated to giving the album the required publicity and bringing it out on the music shelves (cost: approximately Rs 15 lakh -- or Rs 1.5 million).

Music director Shantanu Moitra feels the non-film music category should be encouraged to grow. He says, "Folk music in particular needs to be encouraged as it's a limited resource."

Like a majority of his colleagues, Moitra feels "self-sponsored albums and remixes have resulted in the gradual death of the music industry in India." He adds, "Even as we're talking of royalties and copyright issues, Fashion TV is blaring 90 per cent of the sound bytes from different Rajasthani folk songs and tunes."

The situation, according to musicians, is getting bleaker, especially as a new trend arises. This time it's a loaning facility wherein a particular music company loans an amount to an artiste for bringing out an album.

The artiste, in turn, is expected to pay it back at the end of a certain period. Though music companies remain tight-lipped on this issue and artistes prefer not to talk about it in the open, the status is obvious. A majority of established artistes are finding it increasingly tough to convince music companies to invest money in their projects.

"As a band, Euphoria," says Sen, "is fighting a lonely battle. Even if we venture into film music, ultimately this (non-film music) is our forte. This is what we want to give to our fans and this is what they expect to hear."

He feels, besides other reasons,  it's the dearth of Artistes & Repertoire (A&R) managers in music companies that has led to a downfall of the non-film market and the poor marketing of artistes' albums. The poor marketing of albums and artistes by companies is also reason why the non-film album category is faring so poorly.

"Look at the way Sony BMG and Sony television marketed Abhijeet Sawant. That's the kind of marketing we need," says Nigam. Shaan also calls it a valid trend and says, "Television and media are creating the stars today."

Perhaps that explains why Abhijeet Sawant's debut album has sold nearly 900,000 copies already -- a fantastic figure by industry standards where a film album (that makes up for Rs 400 crore -- Rs 4 billion -- of the total music market in India) doesn't sell more than 500,000 copies in today's scenario.

Sony BMG is said to have invested nearly Rs 60 lakh (Rs 6 million) on Sawant's album. "I received a cheque of Rs 5 lakh (Rs 500,000) as advance for the album," Sawant says. He also negates the issue of royalty and adds, "I've not had any problem so far and regularly get cheques of Rs 2,000-3,000 as royalty from the first Indian Idol album that all the contestants has recorded earlier."

The only other artiste to have come so far has been Rabbi who sold a whopping 60,000 copies within a month of its release in March 2004.

Anand Surapur, the man behind Rabbi and founder, Phatphish records, says, "I was passionate about thealbum and invested nearly Rs 50 lakh (Rs 5 million) on this project." Moitra feels, "Rabbi's success lay in the fact that he came out with a fresh sound at a time when the market had nothing new to offer."

The industry orchestra isn't likely to serve up too many winners though if the current status quo between key members of the industry isn't sorted out some time soon.

Maybe the Singers Association will help mend the differences; maybe it'll fuel it further. Either way, making music isn't going to be fun for some more time to come.


  • VOICES
    Radio stations and RJs airing our songs don't even name the singers. -- Kunal Ganjawalla, singer
  • Music companies dictate terms; they've tried to get me out of film projects. -- Aadesh Shrivastav, music director
  • Look at Sting. Even after 24 years, he continues to get a royalty for his song 'Every breath you take'. He earns it every day. -- Palash Sen, singer, Euphoria
  • Film music is the curse of the industry. It has done the maximum damage to singers. Marketing can do wonders for the industry. Singers need to be sold in the same way that detergents are -- by attracting audiences. -- Sonu Nigam, playback singer
  • Royalty is a tricky issue for artistes. If I was an artiste in America, I would've had five jets with a runway and a huge house. - Anu Malik, music director
  • Musicians sign contracts knowing fully well what they're getting into. They can't turn around after some time and tell companies that they're being cheated. -- Savio D'Souza, secretary general, Indian Music Industry (IMI)
  • The industry lacks clarity. Marketing is essential. Even Carlos Santana has come back in a new avataar and finds listeners. That's marketing. -- Shantanu Moitra, music director

http://www.rediff.com/money/2005/sep/05spec.htm

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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 12:17am | IP Logged
My take is:

Pop music in India has never been that huge. How many many Indian bands are there and that too successful ones? Most Bollywood music albums sell because of a film's starcast. Music for a SRK film will always sell, even if the songs aren't good. Its star power, not singing power that rakes in the money. Many pop singers come out w/a successful debut album but their followups never do as good business, maybe because they don't get the right promotion/support from music companies, listeners want something different or possibly because expectations are too high.

Alisha Chinai's Made in India was a sucess but her other albums didn't work. But her Kajra Re is one of the most popular songs of 2005, kind revived her music career! Even Sonu Nigam's Chanda Ki Doli didn't sell as well as expected. Don't know if this is true but I read somewhere that Abhijeet's album did better business. Confused

Edited by sonyaee - 25 March 2006 at 12:24am
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Posted: 25 March 2006 at 12:39am | IP Logged

Thanks very much for this article..This sheds quite a lot of light and gives great insight. sonyaee, you are damn resourceful, the other day you got me TRP archives.. I am so proud of you! Clap

Yes, I admit music labels have to pull up their socks and also find out innovative ways to fight piracy. Get the laws changed, I do not have much ideas about it Confused .
But, as per the above article, SONY's integrated model (Reality TV (SET) + SONY BMG)  seems to be working fine in India.

I still feel Indians are too much into Bollywood music.

But as Audiences: yes! I can make a difference!

When we talk of piracy, we audiences also have to play our part. We cant buy every label some are autrocious (many are actually!  .....  also some composers blatantly plagiarize...Wink) , but if one likes an album, one must buy those labels later on. If one is someone's fans then do buy her/his album.
So, guys go to your nearest stores and but the labels you appreciate.

Lets encourage our ICONS by not screaming our loves for them but by buying their labels Clap

Enough of my bhashan!! LOL LOLLOL
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Edited by ticks - 25 March 2006 at 1:23am
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thanks sonya for the aricle,really informative. Smile
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Yeah I I read it earlier but didnt think the members on this forum wud be interested.I quite agree with you that music but I insist that Sonu Nigam is still a megastar as a singer....
I know ppl are more into bollywood music but as far as Sonu's albums are concerned.Deewana and Jaan were blockbusters,Chanda Ki Doli was a hit,Kismat and Mausam were semi-hits and Yaad was average.I dont think any artist can expect more than that.
He is very content with the success of his albums.In fact his complaint is that Bollywood is not giving him any challenges as a singer so he is doing a private semi-classical album only 4 music lovers.He is more bothered about his own personal satisfaction....not how many copies are sold out....because he has crossed that stage...he is already a superstar with millions and millions of fans....I think he is by far the most successful singer ever in bollywood coz ppl flock just to get a glimpse of him.......

As far as Singers Association of India goes Sonu is the founder member and most singers in the industry are members.Alkaji is the president.It has been started to assure the financial security of a singer who is always underrated compared to a filmstar.But I dont think this is the case 4 Sonu coz Kal Ho Naa Ho and Saathiya and Tanhayee and all are Sonu Nigam songs and not Shahrukh,Vivek or Salmaan songs.But yeah many singers dont enjoy that status...... Its very difficult to be Sonu Nigam and he minself has faced rough times in the past.So this association is to support upcoming singers who are exploited by the industry.........


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hi
great topic
thankx for sharing
i didnt knew much abt music industry in india but after reading it i feel good
thankx
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Originally posted by sonu_nigamfan

Yeah I I read it earlier but didnt think the members on this forum wud be interested.I quite agree with you that music but I insist that Sonu Nigam is still a megastar as a singer....
I know ppl are more into bollywood music but as far as Sonu's albums are concerned.Deewana and Jaan were blockbusters,Chanda Ki Doli was a hit,Kismat and Mausam were semi-hits and Yaad was average.I dont think any artist can expect more than that.
He is very content with the success of his albums.In fact his complaint is that Bollywood is not giving him any challenges as a singer so he is doing a private semi-classical album only 4 music lovers.He is more bothered about his own personal satisfaction....not how many copies are sold out....because he has crossed that stage...he is already a superstar with millions and millions of fans....I think he is by far the most successful singer ever in bollywood coz ppl flock just to get a glimpse of him.......

As far as Singers Association of India goes Sonu is the founder member and most singers in the industry are members.Alkaji is the president.It has been started to assure the financial security of a singer who is always underrated compared to a filmstar.But I dont think this is the case 4 Sonu coz Kal Ho Naa Ho and Saathiya and Tanhayee and all are Sonu Nigam songs and not Shahrukh,Vivek or Salmaan songs.But yeah many singers dont enjoy that status...... Its very difficult to be Sonu Nigam and he minself has faced rough times in the past.So this association is to support upcoming singers who are exploited by the industry.........


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Thats where I beg to differ a tad bit..

Artists need to get more recognition. In the ad world, when they talk about youth ICONS, we see cricketors, Filmstars, tennis Stars etc....

When PowerFigures or Indian Role model polls are taken, it has a Sachin Tendulkar, Amitabh Bachchan, Sania Mirza, Irfan Pathan etc...Oh! dear!..it even has an Anil Ambani or a Narayan Murthy etc........  but we dont see a Sonu Nigum, Udit Narayan or a Alka Yagnik....

That perception has to change perhaps...that is where the likes of Sonu Nigum can make a difference, make their presence felt!

The BRANDING process of Singers/Artists has to start in India.

It has taken its first baby steps with Indian Idol/Jodi No 1...thats the good news!



Edited by ticks - 25 March 2006 at 7:06am

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