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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 4:44am | IP Logged
Usman...bhai merey...ab tum bhi Aks parh chuko...main iss white font se thak chuki hoon...

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Originally posted by kabeeraspeaking



The real ugly face of the entire matter? It is layered in such a way within this case that it's almost DESIGNED to come out as the case is opened and looked into and I'm full well sure that Aks knows this too...heck, I'm sure that usne yehi justice lene ke liye yeh case kiya hai...and so this is not just a case about some minor wrong committed in the civil service...this is much more bigger than that. That is, if Sherdil's family does continue to defend and takes it to the court...for their betterment at this point, it would be better to plead guilty and try to hush this matter up as soon as possible before people really actually get an air of what it's actually about. That's the least damaging way out for them at this point, because Aks toh is a woman scorned and boy will she dhajiyaan udaaofy of everyone including herself if that's what it takes for her to get this sense of vindication that she's running after. In fact, from the last paragraph of the episode, it does indeed look to me like Sherdil's family is trying to settle the matter in private before it gets out of the hand...Bakhtiyaar and Munazah are probably there to see Kharideen so that they can convince him to drop the charges and if need be even beg him to do so after admitting to and accepting the wrong that was committed.





Wohi na...this case is bound to bring out what actually happened. For it to be proved that Khairdeen was indeed falsely accused of theft and ousted, the real reason of why he was treated this way has to come out and Aks is going ahead with it fully aware of the consequences...and yes, she's dhajiyan udaoofy of anyone and everyone involved in it including herself no doubt...but I disagree@bold...kesi justice, Fatty? Shahbaz is dead...I don't think ab aisa kuch bhi hosakta hai jo usse uss maamle mein woh sense of justice de. The only positive outcome of this case for her is that Khairdeen will get a clean record...warna socho what will she, personally, get out of it...nothing...ulta logon ke tarhaan tarhaan ke sawaal hi sehne pareinge...this could probably even take her back to that phase after she was abused. Yes, she's a strong woman...but can she go through all that without coming out unscathed...I don't think so...and yet if she's resilient to go through it, it's because of Khairdeen...because she thinks she owe it to Khairdeen...and somewhere she thinks she'll make a difference...loag badleinge nahin toh socheinge zaroor keh insaaf kahin bhi, kabhi bhi ho sakta hai. Aur shayed sahi bhi hai woh yeh socne mein...jin ke paas pesa nahin, status nahin, koi strong position nahin un ke saath jaane anjane har waqt bari injustice hoti rehti hai...Aks ke saath bhi yehi hua...dekho na even with her position she was falsely accused and suspended because of this case...chhotte logon ko insaaf milna ITNA mushkil hai. This is like a way for her to scare everyone of all the injustice being done to those inferior to them in status.

Wordd on Sherdil. It's not that I don't like or sympathize with Sherdil. He himself is a victim of circumstances...he is in a very tight spot...and yes he dealt it all in a fair and a very respectable manner...you can admire him for that...yes..but the real test for him is now. WHAT he'll tell Shehr Bano...aur agar kisi tarhaan bhi woh Shehr Bano ko mana leta hai phir what his stand over the case and Aks is...case chodo...it remains to be seen if he could meet Aks now...if he does, then he would have to do so in secret because of Shehr Bano...it is clear that whatever would be the outcome of Sherdil and Shehr Bano's conversation, Shehr Bano would want him to severe ties with Aks...and if he doesn't and continue to meet Aks, support her...where does that leave him, haan? And would that be fair to Shehr Bano then? Farah n aik baat bilkul sahi kahi thi...yeh banda ab do kashtiyon mein sawaar nahin ho sakta. He has to choose a side kuch bhi karke.

Shehr Bano is the only one I'm not liking right now...though I still can understand her behavior as per her character and somewhat expected her to behave like this only. I hope it doesn't offend anyone but she's behaving like such a typical 'female'...a sensitive, possessive, over emotional female...and that's a bit irritating. I think contrasting to her, Aks has more of a 'male' mind in that case...practical, logical and just so much more emotionally stable.

Oh yes, main toh hamesha kehti hoon keh UA ki femininsm ubhar ubhar ke kahin na kahin bahar ajati hai. I can spot that even in a show like Durr-e-Shehwar.


There was something else I had to say about Aks...yaad nahin araha...chalo phir sahi...

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 6:15am | IP Logged
i was about to say this... mainey perh liya aks.. you guys can post freely now

will post my views in next FC LOL


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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 7:28am | IP Logged
Originally posted by incandescence



Wordd on Sherdil. It's not that I don't like or sympathize with Sherdil. He himself is a victim of circumstances...he is in a very tight spot...and yes he dealt it all in a fair and a very respectable manner...you can admire him for that...yes..but the real test for him is now. WHAT he'll tell Shehr Bano...aur agar kisi tarhaan bhi woh Shehr Bano ko mana leta hai phir what his stand over the case and Aks is...case chodo...it remains to be seen if he could meet Aks now...if he does, then he would have to do so in secret because of Shehr Bano...it is clear that whatever would be the outcome of Sherdil and Shehr Bano's conversation, Shehr Bano would want him to severe ties with Aks...and if he doesn't and continue to meet Aks, support her...where does that leave him, haan? And would that be fair to Shehr Bano then? Farah n aik baat bilkul sahi kahi thi...yeh banda ab do kashtiyon mein sawaar nahin ho sakta. He has to choose a side kuch bhi karke.

Shehr Bano is the only one I'm not liking right now...though I still can understand her behavior as per her character and somewhat expected her to behave like this only. I hope it doesn't offend anyone but she's behaving like such a typical 'female'...a sensitive, possessive, over emotional female...and that's a bit irritating. I think contrasting to her, Aks has more of a 'male' mind in that case...practical, logical and just so much more emotionally stable.



@blue: Ok.. I am going to really HATE Sherdil, if he continues to meet Aks, secretly, without Sherbano's knowledge...It will be totally UNFAIR.. The question will be: Why does he want to continue to meet Aks secretly? He should think abt solving his marital problems, if he really does care abt his relationship.. Ye nahi ke aap chup chup kar Aks se miltay rahein.. It will mean he doesnt care abt marital life, and is totally obsessed with Aks.. It will be ethically and morally totally wrong..Will he do such a thing, after Aks also gets married? I sincerely hope and pray tht he doesnt do...and if Sherbano asks him to severe ties with Aks, he must...He should know tht he is a married man now, and must genuinely fulfil his duties as a husband, if he is serious in his relationship.. And if he continues to meet Aks, it means tht he doesnt love Sherbano at all...Even in this epi, as I pointed out in my earlier post also, when Aks said tht we shouldnt meet now, Sherdil, instead of thinking abt marital life, was only concerned abt not meeting Aks, and said ke tumhare liye mujh se na mil kar kabhi problem nahi hoti, mere liye hamesha hoti rahi hai? Wht is this? does it suit a married man to talk like this, with another woman other than his wife? Even though he loved her & wanted to marry her, but now its PAST and shouldnt be saying such things to Aks.. This sentence of Sherdil to Aks, made me think, as I also said earlier tht ..does Sherdil really love Sherbano or not? Or whatever he feels for her is care only and not love?I really didnt like Sherdil there . Would anyone of us like, it if our husband  says such things to someone else? . Enough of this crap now, tht he loves both women equally...No matter what, his priority now should be Shebano, as she is his wife...He must choose one side...He cant remain do kashtion ka sawaar...

@bold.. Mash.. WHY shouldnt she behave like a typical WIFE/female? Any one would feel it and react this way only.. As Fatima also, said her life revolves around two men only and BOTH are at stake.. Its very natural and in my opinion, "justified" of her to react this way..

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 10:20am | IP Logged
Originally posted by incandescence

Wohi na...this case is bound to bring out what actually happened. For it to be proved that Khairdeen was indeed falsely accused of theft and ousted, the real reason of why he was treated this way has to come out and Aks is going ahead with it fully aware of the consequences...and yes, she's dhajiyan udaoofy of anyone and everyone involved in it including herself no doubt...but I disagree@bold...kesi justice, Fatty? Shahbaz is dead...I don't think ab aisa kuch bhi hosakta hai jo usse uss maamle mein woh sense of justice de. The only positive outcome of this case for her is that Khairdeen will get a clean record...warna socho what will she, personally, get out of it...nothing...ulta logon ke tarhaan tarhaan ke sawaal hi sehne pareinge...this could probably even take her back to that phase after she was abused. Yes, she's a strong woman...but can she go through all that without coming out unscathed...I don't think so...and yet if she's resilient to go through it, it's because of Khairdeen...because she thinks she owe it to Khairdeen...and somewhere she thinks she'll make a difference...loag badleinge nahin toh socheinge zaroor keh insaaf kahin bhi, kabhi bhi ho sakta hai. Aur shayed sahi bhi hai woh yeh socne mein...jin ke paas pesa nahin, status nahin, koi strong position nahin un ke saath jaane anjane har waqt bari injustice hoti rehti hai...Aks ke saath bhi yehi hua...dekho na even with her position she was falsely accused and suspended because of this case...chhotte logon ko insaaf milna ITNA mushkil hai. This is like a way for her to scare everyone of all the injustice being done to those inferior to them in status. 

What you said in bold is exactly what I meant, Mash. Justice is not just limited, IMO, to just extracting physical/emotional retribution from the one who has wronged you...woh karne ke baad bhi jo aap ke saath hua hai, jo emotional aur mental trauma apne experience kiya hai woh mitt nahi jayega ya aapki woh pehli waali zindagi waapis nahi aajayegi. Khair, woh toh ho agar your perpetrator is alive and he can be clocked with what is found to be an adequate and equal enough a punishment in sync with the magnitude of the crime...but people and establishments fight for justice and their rights even after their perpetrators are dead...why...to establish a precedent...to set wrong from right and solidify in legal and public memory that whatever may have happened and whatever it may be, it is not acceptable, and that people will be penalized for it. Aks knows that Shehbaz is dead...many people around her have been saying the same thing to her, that he's dead, he's met his retribution and end, so what's the point in digging these old graves? But yehi toh point hai...the idea of denunciation...like I keep saying, ek moral bunayad pe justifiably yeh case khol ke woh saabit karne ki koshish kar rahi hai that this CAN be done...and that the truth should be distinct from the wrong. Definitely she will come to harm in it very personally herself aur woh sab analyze kar ke hi Aks has taken this jump...but her sense of gaining justice and making this point is so huge that uske liye yeh sab kho dena bhi is not an issue for her. And it's because she's been working up to this her entire life...the very reasons why she pursued all of this was so that she could be in position to do this, for her grandfather, to satiate her own sense of doing the right thing, and for the greater good truly...to show and introduce this idea to people (of getting served with what is rightly yours on the basis of being a human being), just like she convinced Khairdeen wrt the land issue. 

Originally posted by farahs_6

@blue: Ok.. I am going to really HATE Sherdil, if he continues to meet Aks, secretly, without Sherbano's knowledge...It will be totally UNFAIR.. The question will be: Why does he want to continue to meet Aks secretly? He should think abt solving his marital problems, if he really does care abt his relationship.. Ye nahi ke aap chup chup kar Aks se miltay rahein.. It will mean he doesnt care abt marital life, and is totally obsessed with Aks.. It will be ethically and morally totally wrong..Will he do such a thing, after Aks also gets married? I sincerely hope and pray tht he doesnt do...and if Sherbano asks him to severe ties with Aks, he must...He should know tht he is a married man now, and must genuinely fulfil his duties as a husband, if he is serious in his relationship.. And if he continues to meet Aks, it means tht he doesnt love Sherbano at all...Even in this epi, as I pointed out in my earlier post also, when Aks said tht we shouldnt meet now, Sherdil, instead of thinking abt marital life, was only concerned abt not meeting Aks, and said ke tumhare liye mujh se na mil kar kabhi problem nahi hoti, mere liye hamesha hoti rahi hai? Wht is this? does it suit a married man to talk like this, with another woman other than his wife? Even though he loved her & wanted to marry her, but now its PAST and shouldnt be saying such things to Aks.. This sentence of Sherdil to Aks, made me think, as I also said earlier tht ..does Sherdil really love Sherbano or not? Or whatever he feels for her is care only and not love?I really didnt like Sherdil there . Would anyone of us like, it if our husband  says such things to someone else? . Enough of this crap now, tht he loves both women equally...No matter what, his priority now should be Shebano, as she is his wife...He must choose one side...He cant remain do kashtion ka sawaar... 

@bold.. Mash.. WHY shouldnt she behave like a typical WIFE/female? Any one would feel it and react this way only.. As Fatima also, said her life revolves around two men only and BOTH are at stake.. Its very natural and in my opinion, "justified" of her to react this way..

I think I'm viewing this from a totally different perspective which might be very wrong...maybe I'm thinking like Sherdil only LOL...in that, is it not possible for him to retain his relationship with both these women that he so clearly does holds a lot of feelings for? And no, I don't mean that Sherdil should be sitting in two boats, not at all...because does his relationship with Aks really have to be or be taken in a romantic sense? I dunno, maybe it's just me...but I see friendship there too...they've staved off any romantic developments thus far, so why can they not just continue as they had been all these years...why does it have to be either iss paar ya uss paar...why does it have to be a choice between just choosing wholly or leaving fully...why is there no middle ground for a relationship like that which ISN'T just about proverbial 'love' or a need for attainment...why can't Aks and Sherdil be friends...people who care about each other, who can look for support towards each other? Why does one entire relationship have to be killed in order to strengthen another? I wish there was a different way...but I guess this is the sad reality...and I do understand too that emotionally Aks and Sherdil both will never escape the feelings they internally hold for each other...so maybe a clean break is required. That's the sad thing about life...there is your own perspective, and there is the perspective that comes from the relationships around you...from Sherdil's perspective, he can continue on like it always has been going on...but from Shehr Bano's perspective, that would be unacceptable now...she could decide that her and Sherdil's relationship is strong enough, that she trusts him enough to let him be friends/acquaintances with Aks without feeling threatened...but like Farah said...can a wife really stand something like that? Especially from where she's standing, where she has no guarantees about another person's choices or actions...can she really have 'big' enough a heart to spend her own life and possibly future in a plane of subconscious uncertainty...that's too much to ask of any person because everyone has the right to security of their future and relationships...and you cannot just ask someone not to set out boundaries for what they feel will bring that to them...

So I guess Sherdil will have to sacrifice his relationship with Aks...maybe the time finally requires it, sigh. But Farah, I'll say that regardless of the Aks factor...Sherdil really truly does love Shehr Bano...at least I think he does...and care is a form of love too...jiss bande se pyaar na ho, uske liye care bhi feel nahi hoti...


Edited by kabeeraspeaking - 24 July 2012 at 10:27am

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 10:45am | IP Logged
Originally posted by incandescence

WHAT were you reading growing up, Fatty? What? These are classics! Everyone reads classics. 

Khair classic or not...mystery/suspense is my favourite genre...you name it and I probably would have read it.

Lo bhai...if these pachaas hazaar people around me who were always trying to get me to watch House have even once mentioned that the Great House was based on SH, I'd have given it a try.

I grew up reading Captain Underpants LOL No, no...I remember reading a lot of Enid Blyton...stuff like Little Women, Adventures of Tom Sawyer/Huckleberry Finn, Anne of Green Gables, Black Beauty, Pride and Prejudice, rubbish like Jane Eyre, etc...those picture-y encyclopedias, the how-to's, and why's...not very mysterious, thrilling stuff LOL

Well, the first three seasons of House were awesomely fun, so if you're ever bored or want to be amused, check it out. 

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 11:21am | IP Logged
Originally posted by farahs_6



@blue: Ok.. I am going to really HATE Sherdil, if he continues to meet Aks, secretly, without Sherbano's knowledge...It will be totally UNFAIR.. The question will be: Why does he want to continue to meet Aks secretly? He should think abt solving his marital problems, if he really does care abt his relationship.. Ye nahi ke aap chup chup kar Aks se miltay rahein.. It will mean he doesnt care abt marital life, and is totally obsessed with Aks.. It will be ethically and morally totally wrong..Will he do such a thing, after Aks also gets married? I sincerely hope and pray tht he doesnt do...and if Sherbano asks him to severe ties with Aks, he must...He should know tht he is a married man now, and must genuinely fulfil his duties as a husband, if he is serious in his relationship.. And if he continues to meet Aks, it means tht he doesnt love Sherbano at all...Even in this epi, as I pointed out in my earlier post also, when Aks said tht we shouldnt meet now, Sherdil, instead of thinking abt marital life, was only concerned abt not meeting Aks, and said ke tumhare liye mujh se na mil kar kabhi problem nahi hoti, mere liye hamesha hoti rahi hai? Wht is this? does it suit a married man to talk like this, with another woman other than his wife? Even though he loved her & wanted to marry her, but now its PAST and shouldnt be saying such things to Aks.. This sentence of Sherdil to Aks, made me think, as I also said earlier tht ..does Sherdil really love Sherbano or not? Or whatever he feels for her is care only and not love?I really didnt like Sherdil there . Would anyone of us like, it if our husband  says such things to someone else? . Enough of this crap now, tht he loves both women equally...No matter what, his priority now should be Shebano, as she is his wife...He must choose one side...He cant remain do kashtion ka sawaar...

@bold.. Mash.. WHY shouldnt she behave like a typical WIFE/female? Any one would feel it and react this way only.. As Fatima also, said her life revolves around two men only and BOTH are at stake.. Its very natural and in my opinion, "justified" of her to react this way..


@bold...Farah...I don't really have a problem with Sherdil meeting Aks...because as far as I see, whatever their feelings are for each other...their relationship, in my mind, has never been really inappropriate.  They meet, talk, behave as friends. Yes, they have feelings for each other that aren't always on the 'friends' tangent...but they constantly resist and shake off their feelings for each other because of Shehr Bano...and in Aks case, even before Shehr Bano was in picture. And then I'll point it out again...that Sherdil has never treated Shehr Bano unfairly because of Aks...insaan care bhi toh ussi ki karta hai jis se mohabbat ho. Who cares for people they don't love?

But yes at this point, after Sherdil and Shehr Bano sort things out...I don't think Shehr Bano will be comfortable if Sherdil continues to be in contact with Aks...and then what would he do. Three choices...pick Shehr Bano and their marriage over Aks...severe ties with Aks for Shehr Bano's peace of mind...or pick Aks over their marriage because according to him, he can't stop meeting her and obviously Shehr Bano won't be ok with that...or the third option...pacify Shehr Bano and be in contact with Aks in secret..

Ok...about Shehr Bano...Farah...main nahin keh rahi that she's wrong in behaving the way she is behaving. And my problem with Shehr Bano is not because of her...to quote the cliche 'It's not HER, it's ME'. I find her irritating for some reason...specially in this episode.

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 11:32am | IP Logged
Fatty...Ok, I get you on Aks' paradigm of justice. Agreed. Totally.

Oh and worddd@ the rest of your post regarding Sherdil and Aks too. I have nothing left to say. We are somewhat on the same page here...just that...as characters, I like Aks a little more and Shehr Bano a little less than you do, I think. LOL

EDit

About House...hmm...I'm averse to 'medical' shows in general. Doctors are creepy.


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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 11:47am | IP Logged
Originally posted by incandescence

About House...hmm...I'm averse to 'medical' shows in general. Doctors are creepy.

Well, that's the best part, of course.

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