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Originally posted by pinkfreud

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I am not against gays. Gay marriages is very debatable. I am ok them calling their union a marriage as long as it is not affecting the "traditional" marriage definition.


And how will two homosexuals, bisexuals, trannys, or hermies getting married affect the 'traditional' marriage definition? In fact, I believe this will only expand the marriage definition and make it more dynamic and fluid. Is this something to do with the fear of unions between men and women becoming quote unquote, 'extinct'?

Actually, scratch that- what is the traditional marriage definition anyway?

My views here may be inflammatory to some, but here goes. Marriage in itself is a man-made construct. They are not made in heaven, unlike what fairytale spinners who live in a candy floss world where unicorns play kabaddi and peacocks serve you tea would have you believe.

I am strictly talking about marriage here, not about relationships. In fact, I am a firm believer in the soul predetermining who its romantic partner/s may be in a certain lifetime. I am a die-hard lover of love and am not against the idea of getting married myself. What I am against, is the notion that marriage is the be-all and end-all of one's love life; like a stamp of approval of a relationship.

Marriage is actually a legally binding agreement between two individuals mainly for (1) protecting their gene pools, and (2) handling properties and assets. Ancient Talmudic/Hebrew law even went to the extent of stating that a man must marry his brother's widow in order to provide the resources required for her to live her life and secure the well-being of her offspring.

However, that is not to say that a marriage is supposed to be completely devoid of love; of course not, I'd be brutally cynical to believe otherwise. What I am saying here, is that marriage, being a legally binding agreement between two adults, should be permitted for people of all orientations.

If two gay/bi/transgender people in love would like to manage or share their respective assets with one another, I do not see why it should be disallowed. In fact, preventing queers from getting married is a violation of the fundamental human right to be recognized everywhere you go as a person before the law. Not to mention a violation of free will, but hey, free will is being stomped on everywhere you look.

And as for the OP's point about letting queers be- I don't get the hoo-haa queerphobia either. What two consenting people (or more, heh) do in their bedroom is nobody's business. They have a right to privacy.

I think what shocks most folks is the thought of gay/bi men and women or the in-betweens getting it on more than anything else LOL People are too accustomed to the thought of plugging the wires in the traditional sockets.
 
And who said it would affect the traditional marriages? Not me.
 
The basic premise of a marriage between a man and a woman is the reproduction - having kids. Gay couples cannot have that. Since the purpose of the marriage is having kids and management of heirdom, it is going to require heck lot of spinning on the gay community's part to redefine the marriage. Again - why must it be called a marriage is the question.
 
Thanks - because you seem to have a basic concept of marriage and logical reason behind it.

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I don't think goal of a marriage is to have kids. Marriage is a union of two humans who wish to spend their life together. As simple as that. Many heterosexual couples too cannot conceive but that doesn't mean theirs is a failed marriage!! And, unlike most other animals, human beings do not mate only for reproduction.

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Posted: 02 December 2011 at 8:27pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by TheUltimate

And who said it would affect the traditional marriages? Not me.
 
The basic premise of a marriage between a man and a woman is the reproduction - having kids. Gay couples cannot have that. Since the purpose of the marriage is having kids and management of heirdom, it is going to require heck lot of spinning on the gay community's part to redefine the marriage. Again - why must it be called a marriage is the question.
 
Thanks - because you seem to have a basic concept of marriage and logical reason behind it.


Oh alright then, I deduced that's what you meant since you said 'as long as it doesn't affect traditional marriages' or something along those lines.

Though I really disagree with the notion that marriage is a precursor for having kids. The 'purpose' of having children bit is a very general view of things. That indirectly indicates that the union between two people is solely for procreational purposes. It may have been so in the bygone eras, but it doesn't hold fort today.

What about yuppies or couples who do not wish to have children? I have a serious problem with the traditional mentality that married couples are expected to have children.

As for queer couples being unable to bear children- they can always adopt, but even that is a huge hurdle in today's times. There are so many children in the world today who are either orphaned or given up for adoption for various reasons. I for one believe adoption is a noble deed.


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Nothing against anyones free will...but I know here I didnt find any solid argument against homosexuality...& am not expecting the Straight thoughts too, but its nothing about "good" vs. "bad"; "right" vs. "wrong"; or "saved" vs. "sinner"...& Its nothing about religion or my thought based on reproduction for survival of the species, and societies...If they stick to themselves and don't "demand equal rights" then I'm okay with them...But just like any other "group", there is always a small amount of individuals who ruin it for the majority... no probs...'Do what you want, with whomever you want...'
 
If you act normal, the rest of society will treat you normal.If you act like a fking faggot (excuse me) then the rest of society will treat you like one...Smile


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Originally posted by Rehanism

I don't think goal of a marriage is to have kids. Marriage is a union of two humans who wish to spend their life together. As simple as that. Many heterosexual couples too cannot conceive but that doesn't mean theirs is a failed marriage!! And, unlike most other animals, human beings do not mate only for reproduction.
Marriage is not necessary for people to spend their lives together. We had enough discussion on this in an earlier thread on live in partners. From what I understood there marriage is mainly for social or legal acceptance, or even for inheritance of property  as someone had suggestedWacko 
Children are not the only reason but they are still  an important reason.
How do we know why animals mate? Reproduction might  be a byproduct of their mating without intention. 
 

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