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Posted: 04 February 2006 at 4:50pm | IP Logged

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The topic :" Is one Countries Terrorist another Countries freedom fighter ?"

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Posted: 04 February 2006 at 8:04pm | IP Logged

Hi everyone....sorry to start off a whole half hour after the time...its ok...now we have 47.5 hrsLOL

Is one Countries Terrorist another Countries freedom fighter?

 

The plane and simple answer to that is NO!

 

What is a terrorist? It's someone who causes destructions and kills; basically someone who enjoys violence. This statement alone is strong enough to say that the person is NOT a freedom fighter for anyone. A terrorist is a terrorist no matter where he goes. If a person has the guts to kill innocent people and consider it "honorable" then that person is disgusting and he does not have the power to fight for anyone's freedom-not even his own. He can claim to be fighting for the sake of his "country" or "religion" but it is the person's personal fetish of killing people. There is nothing good about killing people and a terrorist's actions cannot be justified by even his own countrymen.

 

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Posted: 04 February 2006 at 8:48pm | IP Logged
I Disagree!!! A person who has the guts to kill someone is not a terrorist..hez a Guerilla

Acoording to William Golding human being is a "beast" meaning that we have a evil nature..meaning evry1 has the capacity to kill somebody ..to murder somebody...does that mean we are all terrorists? no!!!

Acoording to the UN terrorism is described as " criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them."

u c the keypoint is that it is politically motivated..doesn't that make those so called terrorists freedom fighters in the eyes of their countrymen coz govt is wid them .therefore it means that evry soldier is a terrorist in the eyes of other countries and freedom fighter in the eyes of thier own country... for eg.. Indian Army soldiers are termed as evil by Pakistanis(ok i got this from india pakistan debate plz don take it personally) whereas for Indians they are fighting for thier own countryz area..and the vice versa is wid Pakistani Militants/soldiers(wat eva term is suitable)

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Posted: 04 February 2006 at 9:18pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by heart girl

I Disagree!!! A person who has the guts to kill someone is not a terrorist..hez a Guerilla

Acoording to William Golding human being is a "beast" meaning that we have a evil nature..meaning evry1 has the capacity to kill somebody ..to murder somebody...does that mean we are all terrorists? no!!!

but we dont carry out our emotions/feelings/anger or whatever else you want to call it. ok people may be able to kill but most sane people wont. sure i can stab a person with a knife or shoot someone and they are dead..but i would never do such a thing and neither would you. just because someone might be capable of doing something dusnt mean that they carry it out.

Originally posted by heart girl


Acoording to the UN terrorism is described as " criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them."

And? so they are trying to be big bullies and scare people? if we look at terrorism as described by the UN then school bullies can be considered terrorists. who's freedom are they fighting for? what good will their actions do?

Originally posted by heart girl


u c the keypoint is that it is politically motivated..doesn't that make those so called terrorists freedom fighters in the eyes of their countrymen coz govt is wid them .therefore it means that evry soldier is a terrorist in the eyes of other countries and freedom fighter in the eyes of thier own country... for eg.. Indian Army soldiers are termed as evil by Pakistanis(ok i got this from india pakistan debate plz don take it personally) whereas for Indians they are fighting for thier own countryz area..and the vice versa is wid Pakistani Militants/soldiers(wat eva term is suitable)

NO! the people are being brainwashed by the media to believe a certain way. in this world, unforunately most people do not have minds of their own and they have become "puppets" of the media and its disgusting propaganda. People who kill are bad and they are bad for everyone. you cannot justify their deed. it is plain and simple WRONG!

 

 

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Posted: 04 February 2006 at 10:32pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by ~PaKi*PrInCeZ~

Originally posted by heart girl

I Disagree!!! A person who has the guts to kill someone is not a terrorist..hez a Guerilla

Acoording to William Golding human being is a "beast" meaning that we have a evil nature..meaning evry1 has the capacity to kill somebody ..to murder somebody...does that mean we are all terrorists? no!!!

but we dont carry out our emotions/feelings/anger or whatever else you want to call it. ok people may be able to kill but most sane people wont. sure i can stab a person with a knife or shoot someone and they are dead..but i would never do such a thing and neither would you. just because someone might be capable of doing something dusnt mean that they carry it out.

but only if we have the ability to do something only then a person can b brainwashed... u noe uss undar ki cheez ko jaga dena..and being a terrorist doesnt mean  " u r insane" ..there are possible poosible circumstances that can "force" u to bcum sumthing that ur inner doesnt agree wid

Originally posted by ~PaKi*PrInCeZ~

Originally posted by heart girl


Acoording to the UN terrorism is described as " criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them."

And? so they are trying to be big bullies and scare people? if we look at terrorism as described by the UN then school bullies can be considered terrorists. who's freedom are they fighting for? what good will their actions do?

ok first lemme clarify.. the defintions provided for the the word "terrorism" by differnt people have one thing in common that they are terrorist acts are politically motivated.... even no1 is clear abt what actually terrorism is ...even media is scared to use this word in the reports

here are some of the examples:

terrorist: somebody using violence for political purposes: somebody who uses violence or the threat of violence, especially bombing, kidnapping, and assassination, to intimidate, often for political purposes

Encarta World English Dictionary & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft  Corporation. All rights reserved.

 

The U.S. State Department, by the way, relies on its own guideline in Title 22 of the United States Code, Section 2656f (d): "The term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience

so if the govt is the main root behind all that wudnt the people taking thier orders(soldiers) are terrorists?? no they are not... y?? coz they are fighting for our nation..even in Operation bluestar ..what did the soldiers do in addition to attacking the temple?? dint that cause fear in minds of ppl?? all those who were tortured jst coz they were in the temple and were "considered " to be followeres of bhindrawale.. Isn't that terrorism?? How does Indian Govt describe it??  they were fighting for Unity of nation..thats how they described...was the operation necessary on that particular day?? i don think so. So rnt those soldiers those soldiers freedom fighters according to the government.. yes! ofcourse ther r.

getting bak to the point.. here we are talkin abt national terrorrists so the bullying is jst a different side of the topic. u r jst getting offtopic.. 

even cnn has objected on the matter that after 9/11 a car was blown up in Kashmir outside the some official building... y dint they call it  terrorism?? y did they call it a strike by muslim militants?? y ??...y isnt the bali system in olden days can be decribed as terrorrism? all these are termed as guerilla warfare... dint tha cause terror but no those baliz are considered a gift to god..werent they??

Originally posted by ~PaKi*PrInCeZ~

Originally posted by heart girl


u c the keypoint is that it is politically motivated..doesn't that make those so called terrorists freedom fighters in the eyes of their countrymen coz govt is wid them .therefore it means that evry soldier is a terrorist in the eyes of other countries and freedom fighter in the eyes of thier own country... for eg.. Indian Army soldiers are termed as evil by Pakistanis(ok i got this from india pakistan debate plz don take it personally) whereas for Indians they are fighting for thier own countryz area..and the vice versa is wid Pakistani Militants/soldiers(wat eva term is suitable)

NO! the people are being brainwashed by the media to believe a certain way. in this world, unforunately most people do not have minds of their own and they have become "puppets" of the media and its disgusting propaganda. People who kill are bad and they are bad for everyone. you cannot justify their deed. it is plain and simple WRONG!

Ok u r simply saying saying that killing is rong..yes it is rong in the eyes of Law! yes it is! but wat forces one Human Being to kill another human Being??? if one person who was abused in his childhood kills the child abusers wen he grows up..will that b considerend rong?? i don think soo.. u cant jst simply say killing is rong..it depends upon how intense is the situtaion..wat causes a person to get insane??

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Posted: 05 February 2006 at 11:49am | IP Logged
Also arnt Americans Soldiers in Iraq terrorists?? they were killing people rite?? so accordig to you the person who kills someone is disgusting and shoulb termed as terrorists rite??

Yes Americans had suffered a lot in the 9/11 attack and (sry i made a mistake first now i m editing it.. they attacked Iraq coz they Saddam was building weapons of masss destruction)  What will those American Soldiers b called by Iraqis?? Terrorists ! Nothing Else! but if we look at the other side arnt those soldiers fighting for thier nation?? rnt politicians involved in this ??? yes they are fighting for thier countries but Iraqis mite call them terrorrists nd i think looking at results of American attack.. rnt those ppl suffering??.. rnt they terrorised in a sense?? coz they don noe how many days r u gonna b alive.. u dont know wen a bomb is gonna b dropped on u and u are no more.. isnt this terrorism? But no! According to America those Soldiers are fighting for thier nation!!!! And the result is in front of our eyes.. Bush has bn Re-elected. y?? Coz Americam ppl think wateva he has done is rite and they r proud of those ppl who gave thier lives in the war of Iraq.. u c?? Now arnt they fighting for thier nation??

Edited by heart girl - 05 February 2006 at 12:48pm

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Posted: 05 February 2006 at 12:19pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by heart girl

Also arnt Americans Soldiers in Iraq terrorists?? they were killing people rite?? so accordig to you the person who kills someone is disgusting and shoulb termed as terrorists rite??

yes they should be considered terrorists

Originally posted by heart girl


Yes Americans had suffered a lot in the 9/11 attack and yes! that was the reason America attacked iraq but tell me What will those American Soldiers b called by Iraqis?? Terrorists ! Nothing Else! but if we look at the other side arnt those soldiers fighting for thier nation?? rnt politicians involved in this ??? yes they are fighting for thier countries but Iraqis mite call them terrorrists nd i think looking at results of American attack.. rnt those ppl suffering??.. rnt they terrorised in a sense?? coz they don noe how many days r u gonna b alive.. u dont know wen a bomb is gonna b dropped on u and u are no more.. isnt this terrorism? But no! According to America those Soldiers are fighting for thier nation!!!! And the result is in front of our eyes.. Bush has bn Re-elected. y?? Coz Americam ppl think wateva he has done is rite and they r proud of those ppl who gave thier lives in the war of Iraq.. u c?? Now arnt they fighting for thier nation??

That is wrong...and the soldiers in Iraq are considered terrorists (by me) because they basically invaded another country and started a war with them. the war with Iraq was America's and Bush's stupidity. those soldiers CANNOT be titled as freedom fighters bucause what they are doing to the people of Iraq is not bringing the American's freedom...it does'nt have any effect on us. I dont know y they went to war...The war with Iraq was just an excuse to invade Iraq's oil supply and Bush wanted to avenge his dad's failure during the gulf war.

 

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Posted: 05 February 2006 at 12:23pm | IP Logged
As heart girl u said that terrorism is politically motivated. I agree with that but a terrorist act is a terrorist act is a terrorist act. A terrorist is not someone who fights for a cause but someone who will hurt someone for a cause. A terrorist is not someone who is fighting to gain something for people or for himself but a terrorist is someone who doesnt care about others and is willing to kill someone innocent for their cause. There are certain things in this world that all human beings have a right to ,the main one is life. A terrorist is someone who is willing to take that away from someone innocent for a cause. U r right that some people will call someone fighting against them a terrorist but just because someone is fighting against u they dont become a terrorist. Someone who kills civilians and doesn't care about the fact that they dont have any linkage to anyone is a terrorist not a soldier, even a soldier who kills someone innocent is a terrorist. Two soldiers on opposite sides, fighting each other for different causes r not terrorists even though they r causing pain to the each other. An american soldier who might be killing an iraqi militant is not a terrorist but an american soldier killing an innocent man or woman is a terrorist. An iraqi soldier truly and honorably fighting to save his country is not a terrorist but an iraqi soldier kidnapping a foreigner and beheading them is a terrorist. When people fight with honor they r not terrorist when people fight with emotions they r not terrorists but when they fight to hurt people or just to win they r terrorists. War doesn't change the rules about not hurting someone who is innocent and people who dont follow these rules r terrorists. People who r willing to hurt someone without a fault for a cause r terrorists. A cause is usually a great thing to have but to fulfill it by killing innocents makes u a terrorist no matter who u r and no matter how honorable ur cause is. Terrorists r the same for everyone people just dont realize it. An act that is wrong against one is wrong against another. Taking away the life of an innocent no matter who u r, or where u r from, what ur cause is makes u a terrorist.

Edited by mkzara - 05 February 2006 at 12:31pm

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