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Posted: 27 February 2007 at 4:00pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by chatbuster

haha, i guess i should be hitting DM more often than the books- so many povs and things to learn.Tongue and reminds me, when i go watch movies, i shld be doing so to explicitly learn the art of story-telling. and those trashy novels? oh, that's to build word power. street fights? nah, not to enjoy the tamasha. but to learn the fine art of boxingLOL

ok, seriously the problem with most of the viewpoints that have been articulated is not that they are not valid. they are. but they are mostly irrelevant or secondary IMO.

so what gives? the problem is that very little energy is expended when you're a passive someone, be it listener, observer, reader. the more interesting question is really why the active guys get into it, burning up all that energy and time. and the explanations that i came up addresses that best IMO. Smile maza ata hai. naheen? Wink

 Some of us do come here every day... It is called addiction... LOL Ouch Cry Angry Embarrassed 

 Mr Rahul.Smile. May be the debaters of debate championships, judges and readers will be amused when you say they are watching tamasha.. I certainly am not...Angry Personaly I have learnt a lot from Debates and DCs such Gandhi vs Bhagat Singh, Gandhi giri valid in todays day and numerous other very intelligent debates happened here before. As Dr AS had pointed out in one his threads , DM is a place for folks who are like minded and/or have contrasting POVs coming together exchanging views and expressing beliefs.  The best outcome of debates or any forum discussion is that many take away a lot in terms of knowledge, communication skills and most importantly making a friend or two.Big smile

 I don't mind your POV on why you come here but quoting me and saying why I am wrong about my own afforementioned reason is condescending to me. Like I said I am WIP...Big smile  We have members from all walks of life here and many could be very different then who you are..

 If  I may take the liberty to quote Buffie, one of our great debators on IF in a post where she sums up beautifully what she got out of the debates and IF.

 

Originally posted by Buffie

 

 I met two of my best friends and philosophers here....Besides,have met wonderful people,who I wouldnt have otherwise(So many at DM itself,who are simply amazing)...SOme have had such a massive impact on me ,without their knowing it Wink

I have learnt to introspect,something I never used to before..and introspection reflects so many flaws of mine....I can safely say I grew up,though still very immature Ouch ,but better than beforeBig smile

IF brought out my other side,which was hidden from even myself....For instance,I never knew I could be so stubborn LOLConfused ...I was always paranoid of debates,and I have never participated in one all throughout my school life,but after debating quite a bit here,I have shed my inhibitions now.. Big smile

I learnt how to take criticism positively,as I must admit,I could never earlier...One of my mother's gripe was that I wouldnt listen,I was a bad listener....I listen more patiently now,as against launching into a tirade without letting the other person speak.

  http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=431864&K W=abhijit+Shukla

  


 Big smile



Edited by lighthouse - 27 February 2007 at 4:22pm

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[/QUOTE]

 Some of us do come here every day... It is called addiction... LOL Ouch Cry Angry Embarrassed 

 Mr Rahul.Smile. May be the debaters of debate championships, judges and readers will be amused when you say they are watching tamasha.. I certainly am not...Angry Personaly I have learnt a lot from Debates and DCs such Gandhi vs Bhagat Singh, Gandhi giri valid in todays day and numerous other very intelligent debates happened here before. As Dr AS had pointed out in one his threads , DM is a place for folks who are like minded and/or have contrasting POVs coming together exchanging views and expressing beliefs.  The best outcome of debates or any forum discussion is that many take away a lot in terms of knowledge, communication skills and most importantly making a friend or two.Big smile

 I don't mind your POV on why you come here but quoting me and saying why I am wrong about my own afforementioned reason is condescending to me. Like I said I am WIP...Big smile  We have members from all walks of life here and many could be very different then who you are..

 If  I may take the liberty to quote Buffie, one of our great debators on IF in a post where she sums up beautifully what she got out of the debates and IF.

 

Originally posted by Buffie

 

 I met two of my best friends and philosophers here....Besides,have met wonderful people,who I wouldnt have otherwise(So many at DM itself,who are simply amazing)...SOme have had such a massive impact on me ,without their knowing it Wink

I have learnt to introspect,something I never used to before..and introspection reflects so many flaws of mine....I can safely say I grew up,though still very immature Ouch ,but better than beforeBig smile

IF brought out my other side,which was hidden from even myself....For instance,I never knew I could be so stubborn LOLConfused ...I was always paranoid of debates,and I have never participated in one all throughout my school life,but after debating quite a bit here,I have shed my inhibitions now.. Big smile

I learnt how to take criticism positively,as I must admit,I could never earlier...One of my mother's gripe was that I wouldnt listen,I was a bad listener....I listen more patiently now,as against launching into a tirade without letting the other person speak.

  http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=431864&K W=abhijit+Shukla

  


 Big smile

[/QUOTE]

Lighthouse ji!! Don't make any unncessary efforts to glorify the beauty of Debate Mansion and the debates that take place here.We really like this place and the people who come here,so whatever happens here we come here because we learn something new eveyday.So don't worry if any gentleman does'nt understand the beauty of DMSmile .Its not necesary for everyperson to understand the beauty of "Einstein's Theory of Relativity",they might be interested in someother concept like "Budget and Political influences" which is pretty tough and practical.BTW did'nt we learn tolerance ??????LOL

Cheers,

Mythili



Edited by mythili_Kiran - 27 February 2007 at 5:51pm

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Posted: 27 February 2007 at 5:58pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lighthouse

Originally posted by chatbuster

haha, i guess i should be hitting DM more often than the books- so many povs and things to learn.Tongue and reminds me, when i go watch movies, i shld be doing so to explicitly learn the art of story-telling. and those trashy novels? oh, that's to build word power. street fights? nah, not to enjoy the tamasha. but to learn the fine art of boxingLOL

ok, seriously the problem with most of the viewpoints that have been articulated is not that they are not valid. they are. but they are mostly irrelevant or secondary IMO.

so what gives? the problem is that very little energy is expended when you're a passive someone, be it listener, observer, reader. the more interesting question is really why the active guys get into it, burning up all that energy and time. and the explanations that i came up addresses that best IMO. Smile maza ata hai. naheen? Wink

 Some of us do come here every day... It is called addiction... LOL Ouch Cry Angry Embarrassed 

 Mr Rahul.Smile. May be the debaters of debate championships, judges and readers will be amused when you say they are watching tamasha.. I certainly am not...Angry Personaly I have learnt a lot from Debates and DCs such Gandhi vs Bhagat Singh, Gandhi giri valid in todays day and numerous other very intelligent debates happened here before. As Dr AS had pointed out in one his threads , DM is a place for folks who are like minded and/or have contrasting POVs coming together exchanging views and expressing beliefs.  The best outcome of debates or any forum discussion is that many take away a lot in terms of knowledge, communication skills and most importantly making a friend or two.Big smile

 I don't mind your POV on why you come here but quoting me and saying why I am wrong about my own afforementioned reason is condescending to me. Like I said I am WIP...Big smile  We have members from all walks of life here and many could be very different then who you are..

 If  I may take the liberty to quote Buffie, one of our great debators on IF in a post where she sums up beautifully what she got out of the debates and IF.

 

Originally posted by Buffie

 

 I met two of my best friends and philosophers here....Besides,have met wonderful people,who I wouldnt have otherwise(So many at DM itself,who are simply amazing)...SOme have had such a massive impact on me ,without their knowing it Wink

I have learnt to introspect,something I never used to before..and introspection reflects so many flaws of mine....I can safely say I grew up,though still very immature Ouch ,but better than beforeBig smile

IF brought out my other side,which was hidden from even myself....For instance,I never knew I could be so stubborn LOLConfused ...I was always paranoid of debates,and I have never participated in one all throughout my school life,but after debating quite a bit here,I have shed my inhibitions now.. Big smile

I learnt how to take criticism positively,as I must admit,I could never earlier...One of my mother's gripe was that I wouldnt listen,I was a bad listener....I listen more patiently now,as against launching into a tirade without letting the other person speak.

  http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=431864&K W=abhijit+Shukla

  


 Big smile

haha, but there's a lot wrong with what's been sent my way. just my opinion. hope stating my opinion and defending it vigorously will not be considered condescending now?Tongue

1. tamasha was mentioned in the context of street-fights; the context shld have been clear given that movie-watching and novel-reading were also mentioned. wondered why you left those out. tamasha scores more brownie points? good. i knew that it would.Wink

2. the topic does not ask for a referendum on DM. it is asking about "the point of debate", not DM. and it does not ask for grand reasons for why you or i or anyone else comes to DM. i am sure people come to DM and to other forums in general to also chat, make friends etc. Not sure those are very pertinent, as in primary, for the "point of debate". is it? yes/ no?Smile

3. for one side to suggest that another's point is secondary, irrelevant or perhaps even ridiculous in their opinion is standard practice. does not say "you are ridiculous". incidentally i do not even go as far, though one might want to hear some of the presidential debates to see how far people go actually go.

4. i think i have justified my opinion in the way i can. but what followed from you was a defensive personalized throw-back at me. why do i believe that? because the reference is strongly to me. and that's my opinion. contrast that with the rebuttal or debating put-down i made which i believe is valid in logic-driven debate.

5. i cant be bothered taking dictation and directions from what others either here or elsewhere have said or quoted in their wisdom, if i dont believe it is pertinent to the context. i like to think for myself. but then that's me again. please dont take it as criticism now.

6. and finally, getting to the point of this thread, why we debate, you said it first line. addiction. great. combine that with the learning track that has been suggested. well, given how learning's such a good thing, maybe then it's the kind of addiction we should all have Wink

7. this thread was in debate mansion, right? sorry if i took it as someting one could debate on. did not know it was supposed to be some kinda encyclopedic listing of all the reasons anyone on earth might findLOL

sorry i cant provide nice quotes. LOL

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Posted: 27 February 2007 at 6:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by mythili_Kiran

 

Lighthouse ji!! Don't make any unncessary efforts to glorify the beauty of Debate Mansion and the debates that take place here.We really like this place and the people who come here,so whatever happens here we come here because we learn something new eveyday.So don't worry if any gentleman does'nt understand the beauty of DMSmile .Its not necesary for everyperson to understand the beauty of "Einstein's Theory of Relativity",they might be interested in someother concept like "Budget and Political influences" which is pretty tough and practical.BTW did'nt we learn tolerance ??????LOL

Cheers,

Mythili

excuse me, but is the topic about DM, or is it "the point of debate"?Confused will be sure to add to the discussion about DM if one is asked WinkLOL

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Posted: 27 February 2007 at 10:08pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by chatbuster

haha, but there's a lot wrong with what's been sent my way. just my opinion. hope stating my opinion and defending it vigorously will not be considered condescending now?Tongue

1. tamasha was mentioned in the context of street-fights; the context shld have been clear given that movie-watching and novel-reading were also mentioned. wondered why you left those out. tamasha scores more brownie points? good. i knew that it would.Wink

 When you lead the argument with examples to drive your point home by progressively debasing the examples until you start using the word "TAMASHA" , that word becomes your focal point.

2. the topic does not ask for a referendum on DM. it is asking about "the point of debate", not DM. and it does not ask for grand reasons for why you or i or anyone else comes to DM. i am sure people come to DM and to other forums in general to also chat, make friends etc. Not sure those are very pertinent, as in primary, for the "point of debate". is it? yes/ no?Smile

 Exactly... The topic does not ask specifically to which group it is targeting the question hence the entire DM, debaters and silent readers are included.

3. for one side to suggest that another's point is secondary, irrelevant or perhaps even ridiculous in their opinion is standard practice. does not say "you are ridiculous". incidentally i do not even go as far, though one might want to hear some of the presidential debates to see how far people go actually go.

 When you respond or address your opponent with "Ha Ha"  it becomes downright disrespectful IMO. Presidential debates too have code of conduct and a moderator and is not free for all.    Debating rule # 1. You are not selling anything or winning any contest (except DC) or prizes so it is not necessary to have only one solution or opinion. Quoting your views posted SRGMP (giving credit where it is due) " real world does not lend itself to precise answers, to simple night and day choices and calculations."Clap

4. i think i have justified my opinion in the way i can. but what followed from you was a defensive personalized throw-back at me. why do i believe that? because the reference is strongly to me. and that's my opinion. contrast that with the rebuttal or debating put-down i made which i believe is valid in logic-driven debate.

 You highlited the reason I had given for why I like debates and enjoy DM and  you responded with what else but  "ha  ha" so am i wrong in assuming that it was directed towards me...and ended with "explanations that i came up addresses that best IMO" therefore directly saying to me that in IYO I am wrong to form my opinion about myself.Confused

5. i cant be bothered taking dictation and directions from what others either here or elsewhere have said or quoted in their wisdom, if i dont believe it is pertinent to the context. i like to think for myself. but then that's me again. please dont take it as criticism now.

 none taken.Smile

6. and finally, getting to the point of this thread, why we debate, you said it first line. addiction. great. combine that with the learning track that has been suggested. well, given how learning's such a good thing, maybe then it's the kind of addiction we should all have Wink

 Are you agreeing with me or being satirical. Winky wink...

7. this thread was in debate mansion, right? sorry if i took it as someting one could debate on. did not know it was supposed to be some kinda encyclopedic listing of all the reasons anyone on earth might findLOL

 Again state your views but don't go for the kill....you(not you personally) are not selling anything and clocking FF miles for driving the same point over and over.

sorry i cant provide nice quotes. LOL

 Not refering to you personaly Rahul, but in general if we are going to liken Debating to any Commercial activity , it should be compared to Marketing and Newsroom 101. Keep the language  simple so it reaches the lowest common denominator. No hi tech jargon or mumbo jumbo fancy words IMO. Disclaimer: above is just my observation and not a rule.Smile

 

 Big smile



Edited by lighthouse - 27 February 2007 at 10:10pm

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Originally posted by chatbuster

Originally posted by mythili_Kiran

 

Lighthouse ji!! Don't make any unncessary efforts to glorify the beauty of Debate Mansion and the debates that take place here.We really like this place and the people who come here,so whatever happens here we come here because we learn something new eveyday.So don't worry if any gentleman does'nt understand the beauty of DMSmile .Its not necesary for everyperson to understand the beauty of "Einstein's Theory of Relativity",they might be interested in someother concept like "Budget and Political influences" which is pretty tough and practical.BTW did'nt we learn tolerance ??????LOL

Cheers,

Mythili

excuse me, but is the topic about DM, or is it "the point of debate"?Confused will be sure to add to the discussion about DM if one is asked WinkLOL

I posted this early in the morning somewhere around 5: 30 Am..I watched Prannoy Roy's Eco Survey Analysis on NDTV so I used that budget reference and Einstein was on the desktop so I used the reference of theory of relateivity.So don't bother about these much CB ji!!

nvmdWink(never mind delete is the abbreviation used by sareg Bhayya)

cheers,

Myth

 

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Posted: 27 February 2007 at 11:26pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by lighthouse

Originally posted by chatbuster

haha, but there's a lot wrong with what's been sent my way. just my opinion. hope stating my opinion and defending it vigorously will not be considered condescending now?Tongue

1. tamasha was mentioned in the context of street-fights; the context shld have been clear given that movie-watching and novel-reading were also mentioned. wondered why you left those out. tamasha scores more brownie points? good. i knew that it would.Wink

 When you lead the argument with examples to drive your point home by progressively debasing the examples until you start using the word "TAMASHA" , that word becomes your focal point.

it might become a focal point if that's all you got from the post which incidentally in my opinion is really worth a read. it makes the points neededWinkin any case my post should not have lead to the condescending personalized attack track that i think you ventured into. i substantiated my points in the third para starting with "what gives?" and qualifying almost everything i write with "i think" and "in my opinion". even the first para is replete with examples, and i can be excused if you dont like them as long as they make the points that are relevant to the topic. sorry but i didnt think your attack track and quotes managed even that.

2. the topic does not ask for a referendum on DM. it is asking about "the point of debate", not DM. and it does not ask for grand reasons for why you or i or anyone else comes to DM. i am sure people come to DM and to other forums in general to also chat, make friends etc. Not sure those are very pertinent, as in primary, for the "point of debate". is it? yes/ no?Smile

 Exactly... The topic does not ask specifically to which group it is targeting the question hence the entire DM, debaters and silent readers are included.

but the pertinent question is why debate, not why you or anyone else comes comes to DM for.  THAT latter aspect could fill volumes i suppose and something that seemed to be YOUR focal point. off-topic if i may say so again. at the least secondary, as i said so in the earlier post.

again, am not saying that chatting and making friends are not why someone comes to DM, but those seem to be somewhat irrelevant IMO when talking about "why debate"Smile YES/ NO??????

3. for one side to suggest that another's point is secondary, irrelevant or perhaps even ridiculous in their opinion is standard practice. does not say "you are ridiculous". incidentally i do not even go as far, though one might want to hear some of the presidential debates to see how far people go actually go.

 When you respond or address your opponent with "Ha Ha"  it becomes downright disrespectful IMO. Presidential debates too have code of conduct and a moderator and is not free for all.    Debating rule # 1. You are not selling anything or winning any contest (except DC) or prizes so it is not necessary to have only one solution or opinion. Quoting your views posted SRGMP (giving credit where it is due) " real world does not lend itself to precise answers, to simple night and day choices and calculations."Clap

haha, am glad you found something worthwhile there to quote. silent reading does pay off i suppose?WinkWinkWink

incidentally, so haha and laughter is out as a valid form of expression? Confused i suppose debates are just dead-pan expressions?TongueLOL and you decide what is appropriate and what's not?Wink

ok, so do you now really want to start discussing prez debate formats and rules and style? LOLlemme know. am open for it as long as we dont get too personal and defensive.Wink

4. i think i have justified my opinion in the way i can. but what followed from you was a defensive personalized throw-back at me. why do i believe that? because the reference is strongly to me. and that's my opinion. contrast that with the rebuttal or debating put-down i made which i believe is valid in logic-driven debate.

 You highlited the reason I had given for why I like debates and enjoy DM and  you responded with what else but  "ha  ha" so am i wrong in assuming that it was directed towards me...and ended with "explanations that i came up addresses that best IMO" therefore directly saying to me that in IYO I am wrong to form my opinion about myself.Confused

when debating, it is valid to say that "i am right and the other side is not". that just might be the real lesson #1.Wink

5. i cant be bothered taking dictation and directions from what others either here or elsewhere have said or quoted in their wisdom, if i dont believe it is pertinent to the context. i like to think for myself. but then that's me again. please dont take it as criticism now.

 none taken.Smile

good. so i can discard all the nice sweet quotes. less readingWink

6. and finally, getting to the point of this thread, why we debate, you said it first line. addiction. great. combine that with the learning track that has been suggested. well, given how learning's such a good thing, maybe then it's the kind of addiction we should all have Wink

 Are you agreeing with me or being satirical. Winky wink...

haha, this goes back to my first para. do read it. learning and addiction. i wonder why we even bother with books and schooling then given all the learning that can happen otherwise, apparently one of the key reasons advanced here.WinkTongue oh, and that's a tongue-in-cheek. hope that's ok?Tongue

7. this thread was in debate mansion, right? sorry if i took it as someting one could debate on. did not know it was supposed to be some kinda encyclopedic listing of all the reasons anyone on earth might findLOL

 Again state your views but don't go for the kill....you(not you personally) are not selling anything and clocking FF miles for driving the same point over and over.

neither are you. and from the looks of it, the perspective here IMO is that of a silent passive reader. again, not very pertinent. there are always people who will be silent. does not really speak to why the folks who debate do so in the first place. refute that if you will.Smile

fyi, it is still valid to paraphrase what the other side is saying like i just did. pls dont go getting defensive and attributing hi-tech words like condescending now. one can always correct the other side if they are wrong

sorry i cant provide nice quotes. LOL

 Not refering to you personaly Rahul, but in general if we are going to liken Debating to any Commercial activity , it should be compared to Marketing and Newsroom 101. Keep the language  simple so it reaches the lowest common denominator. No hi tech jargon or mumbo jumbo fancy words IMO. Disclaimer: above is just my observation and not a rule.Smile

good. wat i wanted to tell youTongue

 

just wanted to respond here tho' i cld have easily ignored what you posted- just think we need to be clear going forwardSmile

incidentally, so we are clear that the topic was not about DM but about the "point of debate"?Smile



Edited by chatbuster - 27 February 2007 at 11:37pm

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