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Poll Question: Who is your favorite Pandava queen?

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Posted: 09 November 2011 at 8:16pm | IP Logged
I even heard that Nakul had a wife who was a princess of Madra and even Yudhishtir had a another wife. I dont remember her name. About Yudhishtir's wife I read in Srimadbhagwat Mahapuran
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Thank you for these lovely stories, Its amazing how vertuas Karna was and still was in the camp which was opposite camp. I really respect Karna for his generosity and loyalty

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Posted: 09 November 2011 at 10:59pm | IP Logged
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I think only the sons are mentioned.  The Pandavas, for sure, didn't have any daughters.  Among the Kauravas, in Shrimad Bhagvatam, Duryodhan had a daughter Lakshmanaa, whose abduction by Jambavati's son Samba was discussed some more in the MM thread Duryodhan- A Misunderstood Character Or Not? on pg 7 (all the discussions are on that page)  This story surprisingly is not there in the Mahabharata.

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Sahadev's wife was the princess of Madra, but her father's name was given as Dyutimat.  Read vaarali's first post on this page.


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Posted: 09 November 2011 at 11:22pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

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I think only the sons are mentioned.  The Pandavas, for sure, didn't have any daughters.  Among the Kauravas, in Shrimad Bhagvatam, Duryodhan had a daughter Lakshmanaa, whose abduction by Jambavati's son Samba was discussed some more in the MM thread Duryodhan- A Misunderstood Character Or Not? on pg 7 (all the discussions are on that page)  This story surprisingly is not there in the Mahabharata.

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Sahadev's wife was the princess of Madra, but her father's name was given as Dyutimat.  Read vaarali's first post on this page.


I had forgotten that story.

Does that mean Duryodhan named both his son and daughter Lakshmana? I never thought of this before.
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I had been thinking as I read the arguments on why Karna's son was not given the throne.

Karna was accepted as a bother by the Pandavas after the battle. It did not matter how Karna was born - he was accepted as one of the royal family. Vrishketu was also adopted as a son by the Pandavas. It was just like Bheeshma accepted the sons of Vyasa as heirs.


So that makes Vrishketu an heir to the throne - if he was the eldest. I think Vrishketu was not the eldest of his generation.


Also, (Karna,) Yudhishtr, Bheem and Arjun were Kunti's sons and she was a Yadava (Vasudev's sister makes her Yadava, right?) These three were more Yadava than Kaurava. And Yadavas belonging to Chandravanshi as the Kauravas did, were the closest kin to Kauravas. When there was no direct heir to the Kaurava clan, won't the Yadhavas be the natural heirs to the throne?

By this argument, Karna could have been the emperor if the Yadhav and Kaurav elders agreed. I wonder why Bheesma did not do so but perhaps it was to protect Kuni's dignity. No saying what the commoners would say - perhaps the people wouldn't have accepted.

I was wondering if maybe that's why Bheeshma accepted Kunti and her sons as a part of the royal family even after Pandu gave up his rights to the throne.

What say?

Also, I do not know which clan Madri belonged to though I know Shalya was her brother. Weren't they Bahlikas?


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Posted: 10 November 2011 at 12:31am | IP Logged
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Yeah, Duryodhan named both his children Lakshman(a). Wacko

I think vaarali's explanation may have been valid.  However, in the thread about Duryodhan that I linked to, in the earlier pages where we discussed the circumstances under which Krishna could support Arjun w/o violating any protocols, it was suggested that since Kunti was adopted out to Kuntibhoj (who along w/ his son Purujit fought & died on the Pandava side), she was not legally recognized as a part of the Yadava family, and so Vasudev & others were under no obligation to protect her or her children.  If that were true, then Kunti's sons wouldn't be maternally Yadavas either - they'd be the descendants of Kuntibhoj from that side.  Especially Karna, who was born in Kuntibhoj's kingdom (incidentally, any idea which kingdom Kuntibhoj ruled?)

Actually, in the Mahabharata, it's explicitly stated that Bheeshma approached Shalya or his father for Madri's hand for Pandu, and one reason for that has been the speculation that he was dissatisfied w/ Kunti's pre-marital birth to Karna, and therefore didn't want her to be the sole queen of Hastinapur.  Beyond that, however, he decided to leave it up to her on whether to confess or not.  Coming to think of it now, had she confessed, Duryodhan, Shakuni and even Dhritarashtra would have smeared both her and now all her sons - including Karna.  Although that would have changed the equation against the Kauravas completely.

However, although I think that vaarali is legally correct, I think that her assumption and yours - that Karna would have been the emperor - is correct.  In one case, Duryodhan, having befriended him, might have been okay w/ Karna, instead of Yudhisthir being the king, but on the other, he may well have used this revelation to try and disqualify the Pandavas on the basis of Kunti's character flaws.  On the Yadava side, had Karna been accepted by Kunti on the day of the tournament, then I don't think there would have been any opposition - Krishna would have supported him, and so would Yudhisthir, and if Krishna supported him, he'd have automatically gotten the wholehearted support of Bhima & Arjun as well.

Also, did Pandu give up his rights to the throne for good, or did he take a break to do penance, and intended to return, except that he died b4 he could complete his austerities and return.  If it was the former, I don't see what claims Yudhisthir or any of his sons would have had to the throne.

I too don't think that Vrishaketu was the eldest of his brothers & cousins.  He was certainly the youngest of Karna's 5 or 7 sons, and younger than Abhimanyu, Iravana and Draupadi's sons.  Question is whether he was younger than the potential survivors of the Pandava sons (assuming they survived) - Yaudheya, Sarvaga, Nirmitra & Suhotra.  But even they weren't made successors to Yudhisthir.  I'm assuming that Meghavarna, being a rakshasha, was ineligible to even live in Hastinapur, let alone rule.

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Posted: 10 November 2011 at 1:17am | IP Logged
Thanks Vrish I will do so
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