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.Vrish.

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As you point out, Kunti was the birth sister of Vasudev, and their common father was Shura.  Kunti being Shura's first born, was adopted out to Kuntibhoj.  It's not mentioned whether Kuntibhoj and Shura were related.  So the reason Krishna regarded Kunti as his aunt was that she was Vasudev's sister.  Had Kuntibhoj been Vasudev's brother, she would have been Krishna's cousin, and Krishna would have been a mama to the Pandavas, which wasn't the case.

On the location of the kingdom, while it was common to travel long distances to participate in competitions, this competition was purely a Kuru family event, which Karna crashed.  There is no way he'd have heard of it had he lived far: only if he lived nearby would he have known about it, since it would have been a highly anticipated event for the people of Hastinapur.  The other possibility of course is that Adhiratha and Radha found Karna on the Ashwa river, but after getting him, they may have moved to Hastinapur or to a nearby kingdom.

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Originally posted by .Vrish.

Vibs

As you point out, Kunti was the birth sister of Vasudev, and their common father was Shura.  Kunti being Shura's first born, was adopted out to Kuntibhoj.  It's not mentioned whether Kuntibhoj and Shura were related.  So the reason Krishna regarded Kunti as his aunt was that she was Vasudev's sister.  Had Kuntibhoj been Vasudev's brother, she would have been Krishna's cousin, and Krishna would have been a mama to the Pandavas, which wasn't the case.

On the location of the kingdom, while it was common to travel long distances to participate in competitions, this competition was purely a Kuru family event, which Karna crashed.  There is no way he'd have heard of it had he lived far: only if he lived nearby would he have known about it, since it would have been a highly anticipated event for the people of Hastinapur.  The other possibility of course is that Adhiratha and Radha found Karna on the Ashwa river, but after getting him, they may have moved to Hastinapur or to a nearby kingdom.


Sorry, I messed up that bit of explanation on the relationship. Corrected it now.

The competition was a Kuru event but it was proclaimed all over the land. It could have reached beyond the borders of the Kaurava Kingdom. The main purpose of this event was to display the Kaurava (and Pandava) princes' talents. Thus, it was expected to be attended by many more than just the residents of Hastinapur. Also, Drona could have been proclaiming his students' valour (either as a proud teacher or as a warning to Drupad). Just speculations - I could be wrong. It is true that Adhiratha and his family could have moved to Hastinapur or a nearby village. Or, Adhirath's family could have moved to Hastinapur after he got the job of a charioteer. Any ideas as to how long he served the Kaurava royals as the charioteer or if Adhirath served another king before - any information on Adhirath at all?

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No info on Adhirath - whether he served the Kurus themselves, or some other ruler

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I read some stories that Kunti chose Pandu as her husband in a Swayamvara. It is possible as she was praised as a lady of good virtues and had served Sage Durvasa and was blessed by him. So. Kunti Bhoja could have held a Swyamvar for his foster daughter. It was also said that Pandu left for war on his wedding night itself and was very victorious in his conquests. On the way back home (Hastinapur, I think), Pandu married Madri, Shalya's sister. He was apprehensive of what Kunti might say and tried to introduce her in a diplomatic way.I don't know where this information comes from and I don't understand why he was apprehensive. The royal women were used to the men marrying more than one woman. Some stories say that Kunti was upset in the beginning but she and Madri got along really well later on.

I recall reading one account that that Bheeshma, who knew all along about Kunti giving birth to Karna, didn't want her to be the sole queen of Hastinapur, and therefore wanted Pandu to marry Madri, and therefore had him forge a matrimonial alliance w/ Shalya.  (Not that that was any use to the Pandavas).

Somehow, I don't agree that Kuntibhoj was cowardly for asking his daughter to serve Rishi Durvasa.  It was not inappropriate for rulers to ask their sons or daughters to serve someone on their behalf.

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Was adhirath not a saarathi to dhritrashtra when he had found karna and then later resigned his post?

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^^^ No, there is nothing in the Mahabharata that suggests that Adhiratha was Dhritarashtra's sarathi.  That is something that BRC pulled out of nowhere.

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Posted: 18 May 2012 at 10:14pm | IP Logged

Ok then why was he called suta putra?

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B'cos Adhirath adopted him.  That's not in dispute.  What is in dispute is the depiction in BRC of Adhirath as Dhritarashtra's charioteer.

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Sut means sarathi. Then whose sarathi was adhirath?

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