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Uloopi  and the mystery of Naagmani Edited by varaali - 12 years ago

Good explanation above.  I do disagree about one thing - even if Uloopi revived Iravana, Abhimanyu, Draupadi's sons, she would have been under no obligation to do it for the Kauravas.  Doing it for Duryodhan or Shakuni would still have been out of the question - she could have just done it for a select few Pandava sons and some younger allies, like Uttar, Sveta, Dhrishtadyumna's sons, etc, and left it @ that. Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago

I have one question. Wasn't Babruvahana the son of Chitrangada? Why did Uloopi raise him in place of his biological mother? I thought Chitrangada remained behind at her natal home after marriage, as per Arjuna's promise.

Uloopi didn't raise him in place of Chitrangada.  She just decided that since Arjun didn't love her, but did love Chitrangada, she just decided to spend her time w/ her, and helped her in raising Babruvahana.  I'm actually using the ACK here - something curious about it is that there is no mention of her raising Iravana as well, although one would think that that is implied, and that both Iravana & Babruvahana were raised in Manipur by Uloopi & Chitrangada.

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Uloopi didn't raise him in place of Chitrangada.  She just decided that since Arjun didn't love her, but did love Chitrangada, she just decided to spend her time w/ her, and helped her in raising Babruvahana.  I'm actually using the ACK here - something curious about it is that there is no mention of her raising Iravana as well, although one would think that that is implied, and that both Iravana & Babruvahana were raised in Manipur by Uloopi & Chitrangada.

After the battle b/w Arjun & Babruvahana, which the latter won, he was invited to attend the Ashwamedha yagna, and brought both Uloopi & Chitrangada along.  This time, when Babruvahana left Hastinapur after the yagna, Uloopi & Chitrangada stayed on in Hastinapur.  When the Pandavas finally decided to retire and leave their kingdom to Parikshit, the Pandava womenfolk other than Draupadi stayed on w/ him, but Chitrangada returned to Manipur to join Babruvahana, while Uloopi entered her watery kingdom.  It's unclear whether that means she drowned herself, or that she simply returned to the place where she originally met Arjun.  This was in sharp contrast to Krishna's womenfolk - a lot of whom committed agni-samadhi after Arjun took them to Indraprastha, or took vanvas.

One thing I've wondered - and I did mention it in some of the previous pages, but maybe Vibs, or you, or anyone else reading this can answer.  When the Pandavas went into exile, their wives (except Draupadi) went to their maayka kingdoms to raise their children.  However, when the Pandavas finally retired, then why didn't all their wives accompany them?  Devika, Paulomi, Valandhara, Hidimba, Subhadra, Uloopi, Chitrangada, Karenamati and Vijaya - they didn't have anything left, so why didn't they simply accompany their husbands and Draupadi, leaving Uttara w/ Parikshit?  (On Subhadra, I've seen 2 different accounts - one says that she stayed behind w/ Parikshit, Uttara and the other Pandava womenfolk, while another account says that after Arjun crowned Anirudha's son Vajra as the ruler of the Vrishnis, he left Subhadra as his regent/guardian.)  I know everybody's milages vary, but one would have thought that they'd have preferred to be w/ their husbands.

That explanation sounds good, except that given that as married women, their place was with their husbands, it didn't really make sense that they didn't retire w/ them.  Most kings, when they handed over the thrones to their sons and retired to the forest e.g. Yayati, their wives went w/ them.  The Pandava wives too would have simply accompanied their husbands to their celestial abodes - it would be theirs as well by virtue of marriage, no?

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

That explanation sounds good, except that given that as married women, their place was with their husbands, it didn't really make sense that they didn't retire w/ them.  Most kings, when they handed over the thrones to their sons and retired to the forest e.g. Yayati, their wives went w/ them.  The Pandava wives too would have simply accompanied their husbands to their celestial abodes - it would be theirs as well by virtue of marriage, no?

You're right about Uloopi - Arjun didn't want to marry her, and just had a one night stand b4 moving on.  After being revived by Uloopi, when he heard her story of how he had been cursed, and how he had to be killed by Babruvahana and how she resurrected him, he started loving her.  Arjun was introduced to Iravana in the battlefield when Iravana joined the Pandavas, and developed an instant fondness for him.

varaali,

Thanks for the info. I knew something or someone was guarding the gem but didn't know who or what. I should have guessed, though. Almost all the stories involving snakes are the same.

I first tried registering as Vibhishan but it was not available so just interchanged the last two letters - like this spelling too. It gives a clue to those who observe. 😉

JanakiRaghunath,

I changed it - it had been the same for a long time. I really liked this picture which I have put up. Its a picture of Vibhishan meeting Ram for the first time.




Uloopi need not have revived everyone but it would be expected and thought of as partiality of the Pandavas. Too many questions and gossips would have risen and the whole point of the war would have gone to dust.

Probably, Duryodhan felt that staining Karna's son's honour was not appropriate now that he was the closest thing to a father to him. Also, I remember reading that Duryodhan did not approve of Aswathama killing the Pandavas' sons.

As for the womenfolk, I think they had a choice to live or die. Also, as long as they have a living heir to the family, the can stay or leave their husband's home. The others except Draupadi were used to living alone without the Pandavas. They probably felt that they needed to enjoy the peaceful times and spend some time with the family whom they never lived with - get used to their relatives - especially in the case of Chitrangada. She could have stayed to get to know her relatives better and forge a stronger bond (not just mere relation but a more deeper understanding and acceptance) with her relatives.

Uloopi went back to her world after the Pandavas left the kingdon relinquishing all the power to the next generation. The entrance to Nagaloka is beneath or in a water body - a lake or sea or something. Hence, for the snakes, entering the watery kingdom means that they went through the gate between the Earth and Nagaloka to reach their own world. Uloopi actually spirited Arjun away to Nagaloka the night he stayed with her.

Vibs Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago