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Posted: 18 February 2012 at 10:07pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Incidentally, the arguments about the guru-bhaiya objection was there in BRC, but I've not seen it in the actual MB.  Nor did I see anything there about Bheeshma advising Karna to join the Pandavas, as shown in the serial.  The only thing I can imagine is that Bheeshma was doing what Duryodhan was accusing him of by trying to tip the scales in favor of the Pandavas.
In the serial, Bhishma doesn't explicitly advise Karna to join the Pandavas. He just says/asks implicitly that Karna should be supporting the righteous side as he is not bound by any oath. And Bhishma had problems with Karna is most probably mentioned in the text also that he had problems with him because he was Parashuram's shishya.

About the other question of who commanded Karna's akshauni, I'd imagine that it was either Bheeshma for those first 10 days, or Vrishasena.  Although if it was the latter, he'd have had to be demoted to make way for his father.
But then why Vrishsena's name is not mentioned in the list of commanders?
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 3:23am | IP Logged
Here is what Bheeshma said to Karna when the latter went to see him after the former was nailed by Arjun to the bed of arrows
Then Vrisha (Karna) endued with great glory, with voice choked in tears, approaching that hero lying with eyes closed, fell at his feet. And he said,--O chief of the Kurus, I am Radha's son, who while before thy eyes, was everywhere looked upon by thee with hate!--Hearing these words, the aged chief of the Kurus, the son of Ganga, whose eyes were covered with film slowly raising his eyelids, and causing the guards to be removed, and seeing the place deserted by all, embraced Karna with one arm, like a sire embracing his son, and said these words with great affection:--Come, come! Thou art an opponent of mine who always challengest comparison with me! If thou hadst not come to me, without doubt, it would not have been well with thee! Thou art Kunti's son, not Radha's! Nor is Adhiratha thy father! O thou of mighty arms, I heard all this about thee from Narada as also from Krishna-Dwaipayana! Without doubt, all this is true! I tell thee truly, O son, that I bear thee no malice! It was only for abating thy energy that I used to say such harsh words to thee! O thou of excellent vows without any reason thou speakest ill of all the Pandavas! Sinfully didst thou come into the world. It is for this that thy heart hath been such. Through pride, and owning also to thy companionship with the low, thy heart hateth even persons of merit! It is for this that I spoke such harsh words about thee in the Kuru camp! I know thy prowess in battle, which can with difficulty be borne on earth by foes! I know also thy regard for Brahmanas. thy courage, and thy great attachment to alms-giving! O thou that resemblest a very god, amongst men there is none like thee! For fear of intestine dissensions I always spoke harsh words about thee. In bowmanship, in aiming weapon, in lightness of hand and in strength of weapons, thou art equal to Phalguni himself, or the high-souled Krishna! O Karna, proceeding to the city of Kasi, alone with thy bow, thou hadst crushed the kings in battle for procuring a bride for the Kuru king! The mighty and invincible king Jarasandha also, ever boastful of his prowess in battle, could not become thy match in fight! Thou art devoted to Brahmanas; thou always fightest fairly! In energy and strength, thou art equal to a child of the celestials and certainly much superior to men. The wrath I cherished against thee is gone. Destiny is incapable of being avoided by exertion. O slayer of foes, the heroic sons of Pandu are thy uterine brothers! If thou wishest to do what is agreeable to me, unite with them, O thou of mighty arms! O son of Surya, let these hostilities end with me! Let all the kings of Earth be to-day freed from danger!--

'Karna said I know this, O thou of mighty arms! All this without doubt, is (as thou sayest)! As thou tellest me, O, Bhishma, I am Kunti's son, and not the son of a Suta! I was, however, abandoned by Kunti, and I have been reared by a Suta. Having (so long) enjoyed the wealth of Duryodhana, I dare not falsify it now. Like Vasudeva's son who is firmly resolved for the sake of the Pandavas, I also, O thou that makest profuse presents to Brahmanas, am prepared to cast away my possessions, my body itself, my children, and my wife, for Duryodhana's sake! Death from disease, O thou of Kuru's race, doth not become a Kshatriya! Relying upon Suyodhana I have always offended the Pandavas! This affairs is destined to take its course. It is incapable of being prevented. Who was there that would venture to overcome Destiny by exertion? Various omens indicating the destruction of the Earth. O grandsire, were noticed by thee and declared in the assembly. It is well known to me that the son of Pandu, and Vasudeva, are incapable of being conquered by other men. Even with them we venture to fight! I will vanquish the son of Pandu in battle! Even this is my firm resolve! I am not capable, of casting off this fierce animosity (that I cherish against the Pandavas)! With a cheerful heart, and keeping the duties of my order before my eye, I will contend against Dhananjaya. Firmly resolved that I am on battle, grant me thy permission, O hero! I will fight. Even this is my wish. It behoveth thee to forgive me also any harsh words that I may have at any time uttered against thee or any act that I may have done against thee from anger or inconsiderateness!--"

"'Karna said I know this, O thou of mighty arms! All this without doubt, is (as thou sayest)! As thou tellest me, O, Bhishma, I am Kunti's son, and not the son of a Suta! I was, however, abandoned by Kunti, and I have been reared by a Suta. Having (so long) enjoyed the wealth of Duryodhana, I dare not falsify it now. Like Vasudeva's son who is firmly resolved for the sake of the Pandavas, I also, O thou that makest profuse presents to Brahmanas, am prepared to cast away my possessions, my body itself, my children, and my wife, for Duryodhana's sake! Death from disease, O thou of Kuru's race, doth not become a Kshatriya! Relying upon Suyodhana I have always offended the Pandavas! This affairs is destined to take its course. It is incapable of being prevented. Who was there that would venture to overcome Destiny by exertion? Various omens indicating the destruction of the Earth. O grandsire, were noticed by thee 

"'Bhishma said,--If, indeed, thou art unable to cast off this fierce animosity, I permit thee, O Karna! Fight, moved by the desire of heaven! Without anger and without vindictiveness, serve thou the king according to thy power and according to thy courage and observant of the conduct of the righteous! Have then my permission, O Karna! Obtain thou that which thou seekest! Through Dhananjaya thou wilt obtain all those regions (hereafter) which are capable of 

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Posted: 23 February 2012 at 12:53am | IP Logged
Given the recent TB news about Sachin Verma joining a new show, I'm distinctly getting the idea that there are no plans to show the Mahabharata, but to just show Krishna's stories - largely invented ones.

From mythological to a cop thriller, the actor makes the switch... New News Comment15


If that's the case, I actually welcome it, since the serial has deteriorated so badly that I'm all for Imagine canning it whenever it feels like.


Edited by .Vrish. - 23 February 2012 at 12:54am
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Posted: 24 February 2012 at 2:51am | IP Logged
Whose role was he playing?
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Posted: 24 February 2012 at 10:35am | IP Logged
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Posted: 16 March 2012 at 1:40pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Here is what Bheeshma said to Karna when the latter went to see him after the former was nailed by Arjun to the bed of arrows

And here is what Bhishma said why he didn't want Karna to fight (The reason was not Parshuram's shishya to be part of Draupadi's Vastraharan suggestion - I am sorry where did I read apart from the serial I don't remember now) but serial is right as much as the word used 'ASABHYA' - "Mere guru ka koi shishya asabhya nahi ho sakta" and the dialog "Mere aur Angraaj ke bich matbhed bahut badh gaye hain". He was just fed up of Karna's arguing and rough and proud attitude against him and was feeling disrespect every now and then. I can very easily visualize Mukesh Khanna's characterization and acting over here.



There is another understanding on which I may willingly become the commander of thy forces. It behoveth thee to listen to that. O lord of earth, either Karna should fight first, or I will fight first. The Suta's son always boasts of his prowess in battle, comparing it with mine.'

"Karna said, 'As long as Ganga's son liveth, O king, I shall never fight. After Bhishma is slain, I shall fight with the wielder of Gandiva.'



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Posted: 16 March 2012 at 3:21pm | IP Logged
I think that had Bheeshma offered that, Duryodhan would have taken him up on that offer and made Karna the commander in chief of his forces, and let Bheeshma sit it out.  As it is, Duryodhan always had doubts about the loyalties of Bheeshma, Drona & Kripa.
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Posted: 17 March 2012 at 2:36am | IP Logged
Well as you can read, Karna immediately accepted that. And I think serial has explained it well. Shakuni didn't want mismatch of opinions within and he also wanted Pandavas to face Bhishma emotionally. He wanted to make full use of Bhishma's bondage of Oath& loyalty and didn't want to let him free by sitting behind.

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