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I moved this question here, so that I could treat it separately from the other discussion about Vrishaketu & Meghavarman, which I'll comment on later.

The part about Gandhari having 10 sisters who also married Dhritarashtra is new to me.  The reason Bheeshma approached Subala for Gandhari's hand was that he had heard that she'd give birth to 100 sons (how was that an advantage for the Kurus, I didn't understand).  If he got Gandhari for Dhritarashtra under that understanding, I don't see why he'd have ruined the life of 10 more princesses, but then again, this is Bheeshma we're talking about.  Tan's story about Gandhari being previously married to a bird sounds fascinating, but fact is that all of Shakuni's brothers were alive w/ him, and while 5 of them were killed by Iravana in the war, some of them were killed during Arjun's Ashwamedha campaign in Gandhara.  

The other problematic part about this story is that if Shakuni wanted to destroy Duryodhan, he'd have
  1. Plotted w/ Gandhari, rather than w/ Duryodhan, on how to go about it.  Gandhari wouldn't have taken too kindly w/ her maayka being decimated by Duryodhan
  2. He and his brothers would have kept out of the Kurukshetra war, while egging the Kauravas on.  Also, he might then have opened channels of communication to Yudhisthir or Bhima on destroying the Kauravas.
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Shakuni was killed by Sahadev on the 18th day of the war - in fact, he was the last warrior to be slain b4 Duryodhan:

'During the progress of that battle which was so destructive of men and steeds and elephants, Subala's son, Shakuni, O king, rushed against Sahadeva. The valiant Sahadeva, as Shakuni rushed quickly towards him, sped showers of swift arrows at that warrior as numerous as a flight of insects. At that time, Uluka also encountered Bhima and pierced him with ten arrows, Shakuni, meanwhile, O monarch, having pierced Bhima with three arrows, covered Sahadeva with ninety. Indeed, those heroes, O king, encountering one another in that battle, pierced one another with many keen arrows equipped with Kanka and peacock feathers, winged with gold, whetted on stone, and sped from bow-strings drawn to their ears. Those showers of arrows sped from their bows and arms, O monarch, shrouded all the points of the compass like a thick shower of rain poured from the clouds. Then Bhima, filled with rage, and Sahadeva of great valour, both endued with great might, careered in that battle, making an immense carnage. That army, O Bharata, was covered with hundreds of arrows by those two warriors. In consequence thereof, the welkin on many parts of the field became shrouded with darkness. In consequence, O monarch, of steeds, covered with arrows, dragging after them, as they ran, a large number of slain combatants, the tracks on many parts of the field became entirely blocked up. Covered with steeds slain with their riders, with broken shields and lances, O monarch, and with swords and darts and spears all around, the Earth looked variegated as if strewn with flowers. The combatants, O king, encountering one another, careered in battle, filled with wrath and taking one another's life. Soon the field became strewn with heads, beautiful as the filaments of the lotus, adorned with earrings and graced with faces set with eyes upturned in wrath and lips bit in rage. Covered also, O monarch, with the severed arms of warriors that resembled the trunks of huge elephants, that were adorned with Angadas and cased in leathern fences, and that still held swords and lances and battle-axes, and with headless bodies risen on their feet and bleeding and dancing on the field, and swarming with carnivorous creatures of diverse kinds, the Earth, O lord, presented a frightful aspect! After the Bharata army had been reduced to a small remnant, the Pandavas, filled with delight in that dreadful battle began to despatch the Kauravas to Yama's abode. Meanwhile, the heroic and valiant son of Subala's son very forcibly struck Sahadeva on the head with a lance. Exceedingly agitated, O monarch, in consequence of the blow, Sahadeva sat down on the terrace of his car. Beholding Sahadeva in that plight, the valiant Bhima, filled with rage, O Bharata, held the whole Kuru army in check. With his cloth-yard shaft he pierced hundreds and thousands of hostile warriors, and having pierced them so, that chastier of foes uttered a leonine roar. Frightened at that roar, all the followers of Shakuni, with their steeds and elephants, precipitately fled away in fear. Beholding them broken, king Duryodhana said unto them, "Stop, ye Kshatriyas, unacquainted with morality! Fight! What is the use of flight? That hero, who, without showing his back casteth away his life breath in battle, achieveth fame here and enjoyeth regions of bliss hereafter!" Thus exhorted by the king, the followers of Subala's son once more advanced against the Pandavas, making death their goal. Awful, O monarch, was the noise made by those rushing warriors, resembling that of the agitated ocean. At this, the field of battle became agitated all around. Beholding those followers of Subala's son thus advancing in battle, the victorious Pandavas, O monarch, proceeded against them. Comforted a little, the invincible Sahadeva, O monarch, pierced Shakuni with ten arrows and his steeds with three. With the greatest ease he then cut off the bow of Subala's son with a number of other arrows. Invincible in battle, Shakuni, however, took up another bow and pierced Nakula with sixty arrows and then Bhimasena with seven. Uluka also, O king, desirous of rescuing his sire in that engagement, pierced Bhima with seven arrows and Sahadeva with seventy. Bhimasena in that encounter pierced Uluka with many keen arrows and Shakuni with four and sixty, and each of the other warriors who fought around them, with three arrows. Struck by Bhimasena with shafts steeped in oil, the Kauravas, filled with rage in that battle, covered Sahadeva with showers of arrows like lightning-charged clouds pouring rain on a mountain-breast. The heroic and valiant Sahadeva then, O monarch, cut off, with a broad-headed arrow, the head of Uluka as the latter advanced against him. Slain by Sahadeva, Uluka, gladdening the Pandavas in that battle, fell down on the earth from his car, all his limbs bathed in blood. Beholding his son slain, Shakuni, O Bharata, with voice choked with tears and drawing deep breaths, recollected the words of Vidura. Having reflected for a moment with tearful eyes, Shakuni, breathing heavily, approached Sahadeva and pierced him with three arrows. Baffling those arrows sped by Subala's son with showers of shafts, the valiant Sahadeva, O monarch, cut off his antagonist's bow in that battle. Seeing his bow cut off, O king, Shakuni, the son of Subala, took up a formidable scimitar and hurled it at Sahadeva. The latter, however, with the greatest ease, O monarch, cut off in twain that terrible scimitar of Subala's son as it coursed towards him in that encounter. Beholding his sword cut in twain, Shakuni took up a formidable mace and hurled it at Sahadeva. That mace also, unable to achieve its object, fell down on the Earth. After this, Subala's son, filled with rage, hurled at the son of Pandu an awful dart that resembled an impending death night. With the greatest ease Sahadeva, in that encounter, cut off, with his gold-decked shafts, into three fragments, that dart as it coursed swiftly towards him. Cut off into fragments, that dart adorned with gold fell down on the earth like a blazing thunderbolt from the firmament, diverging into many flashes. Beholding that dart baffled and Subala's son afflicted with fear, all thy troops fled away in fright. Subala's son himself joined them. The Pandavas then, eager for victory, uttered loud shouts. As regards the Dhartarashtras, almost all of them turned away from the fight. Seeing them so cheerless, the valiant son of Madri, with many 1,000 shafts, checked them in that battle. Then Sahadeva came upon Subala's son as the latter, who was still expectant of victory, was flying away, protected by the excellent cavalry of the Gandharas. Recollecting, O king, that Shakuni, who had fallen to his share, was still alive, Sahadeva, on his car adorned with gold, pursued that warrior. Stringing his formidable bow and drawing it with great force, Sahadeva, filled with rage, pursued the son of Subala and vigorously struck him with many shafts equipped with vulturine feathers and whetted on stone, even like a person striking a mighty elephant with pointed lances. Endued with great energy of mind, Sahadeva, having afflicted his foe thus, addressed him, as if for calling back to mind (his past misdeeds), in these words, 'Adhering to the duties of a Kshatriya, fight (with me) and be a man! Thou hadst, O fool, rejoiced greatly in the midst of the assembly, while gambling with dice! Receive now, O thou of wicked understanding, the fruit of that act! All those wicked-souled ones that had ridiculed us then have perished! Only that wretch of his race, Duryodhana, is still alive, and thyself, his maternal uncle! Today I shall slay thee, striking off thy head with a razor-headed arrow like a person plucking a fruit from a tree with a stick!" Saying these words, O monarch, Sahadeva of great strength, that tiger among men, filled with rage, rushed impetuously against Shakuni. Approaching his enemy, the invincible Sahadeva, that foremost of warriors, forcibly drawing his bow and as if burning his foe with wrath, pierced Shakuni with ten arrows and his steeds with four. Then cutting off his umbrella and standard and bow, he roared like a lion. His standard and bow and umbrella thus cut off by Sahadeva, Subala's son was pierced with many arrows in all his vital limbs. Once again, O monarch, the valiant Sahadeva sped at Shakuni an irresistible shower of arrows. Filled with rage, the son of Subala then, single-handed, rushed with speed against Sahadeva in that encounter, desirous of slaying the latter with a lance adorned with gold. The son of Madri, however, with three broad-headed arrows, simultaneously cut off, without losing a moment, that uplifted lance as also the two well-rounded arms of his enemy at the van of battle, and then uttered a loud roar. Endued with great activity, the heroic Sahadeva then, with a broad-headed arrow, made of hard iron, equipped with wings of gold, capable of penetrating every armour, and sped with great force and care, cut off from his trunk his enemy's head. Deprived of his head by the son of Pandu with that gold-decked arrow of great sharpness and splendour like the sun's, Subala's son fell down on the earth in that battle. Indeed, the son of Pandu, filled with rage, struck off that head which was the root of the evil policy of the Kurus, with that impetuous shaft winged with gold and whetted on stone. Beholding Shakuni lying headless on the ground and all his limbs drenched with gore, thy warriors, rendered powerless with fear, fled away on all sides with weapons in their hands. At that time, thy sons, with cars, elephants, horse and foot entirely broken, heard the twang of Gandiva and fled away with colourless faces, afflicted with fear and deprived of their senses. Having thrown down Shakuni from his car, the Pandavas, O Bharata, became filled with delight. Rejoicing with Keshava among them, they blew their conchs in that battle, gladdening their troops. All of them, with glad hearts, worshipped Sahadeva, and said, "By good luck, O hero, Shakuni of wicked soul, that man of evil course, hath, with his son, been slain by thee!

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Posted: 10 November 2011 at 12:10pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Vibs

I moved this question here, so that I could treat it separately from the other discussion about Vrishaketu & Meghavarman, which I'll comment on later.

The part about Gandhari having 10 sisters who also married Dhritarashtra is new to me.  The reason Bheeshma approached Subala for Gandhari's hand was that he had heard that she'd give birth to 100 sons (how was that an advantage for the Kurus, I didn't understand).  If he got Gandhari for Dhritarashtra under that understanding, I don't see why he'd have ruined the life of 10 more princesses, but then again, this is Bheeshma we're talking about.  Tan's story about Gandhari being previously married to a bird sounds fascinating, but fact is that all of Shakuni's brothers were alive w/ him, and while 5 of them were killed by Iravana in the war, some of them were killed during Arjun's Ashwamedha campaign in Gandhara.  

The other problematic part about this story is that if Shakuni wanted to destroy Duryodhan, he'd have
  1. Plotted w/ Gandhari, rather than w/ Duryodhan, on how to go about it.  Gandhari wouldn't have taken too kindly w/ her maayka being decimated by Duryodhan
  2. He and his brothers would have kept out of the Kurukshetra war, while egging the Kauravas on.  Also, he might then have opened channels of communication to Yudhisthir or Bhima on destroying the Kauravas.


Thanks  vrish, can u please tell me where i can get hold of detailed english translation of MB online maybe? 

I told you there are different versions of certain stories, may be some of them are tangent arcs which were developed by authors and poets later but this version have been around too, and vibs is right, i forgot to mention, duryodhan also allotted them food enough for bird. since shakuni was the smartest and strongest, he was fed and rest died  and his dice were indeed made of their bone. may be this arc was developed to explain why in a game of chance like that, where given all the calculations there is a chance of failure, however minute it is, shakuni's prediction always had probability 1.

Your second point about gandhari, well i think once she got married, she got completely associated with her sasural. these things happen in power families even now, also at times in normal families. Mostly when a woman got married, she started making her sasural her home, specially in royal situation and since this thing took quite long to happen, measn duryodhan was already slightly grown up, i guess she was completely absorbed in kuru family. Also she might not have known, remember gandhari didn't know of draupadi's vastra haran initially either. Anyways, things like that, where maika is fighting sasural and the bahu is supporting sasural is pretty common even now, and those days i guess it was more in vague.

However all these are with the premise that the version me and vrish are discussing actually happened and wasnt a later addition by some other poet.

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Posted: 10 November 2011 at 5:25pm | IP Logged
one more blooper

the laxhagrah episode ; according to mahabharat pandava put the fire a day before duryodhan planed and purochand also died in this palace


in this serial they showed purochand and his people putting the fire

can any one comment on that

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You are correct.  I commented about it here.  What saved the Pandavas was them pre-empting Purochana by one day, and burning his house b4 burning everything else.

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i ve some different views my friend...i read the epic and i find some another views..
arjuna karna and pitamaha all were great warriors...but lord chose arjun for some reasons...
arjuna defeated karna and pitamah  many times...remember virat judh...arjuna was alone.. but defeated kuru sena including bhisma and karna...in the war also he defeated them... 2nd day of war was arjuna's day...bhisma failed 2 stop him...at the time of killing jayadratha, karna failed 2 stop him..he defeated karna...,and the same happened at draupadi's syambar..arjuna broke karna,s dhanush
 
bhisma had eccayamrityu kabach...this was not right for a great warrior...shikhandi was arjuna's kabach...so he used her that time..arjuna's ban couldnot break that kabach but bhisma could not break arjuna's dhaal...palla was same and arjuna won...these words are bhisma in mahabharata
 
karna was a great warrior...but he went 2 a wrong path...always provoked duryadhan for war ... little bit of jealous...took part in bastraharas,,told some bad words... and aLSO BROKE RULE in killing abhimanyu...1 of the 8 warriors who killed abhimanyu was karna...so arjun also broke rule 2 kill him...
 
arjuna had divyastra...but in real mahabharata there wwas adiscussion of arjuna and draupadi...arjuna told that he did not use divyastra as it would harm mankind...if i used them the war would end up in 2 days but everything would destroy...he always stood for dharma...so lord also chose him for gita

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Originally posted by jayeetamitra

i ve some different views my friend...i read the epic and i find some another views..
arjuna karna and pitamaha all were great warriors...but lord chose arjun for some reasons...
arjuna defeated karna and pitamah  many times...remember virat judh...arjuna was alone.. but defeated kuru sena including bhisma and karna...in the war also he defeated them... 2nd day of war was arjuna's day...bhisma failed 2 stop him...at the time of killing jayadratha, karna failed 2 stop him..he defeated karna...,and the same happened at draupadi's syambar..arjuna broke karna,s dhanush
 
bhisma had eccayamrityu kabach...this was not right for a great warrior...shikhandi was arjuna's kabach...so he used her that time..arjuna's ban couldnot break that kabach but bhisma could not break arjuna's dhaal...palla was same and arjuna won...these words are bhisma in mahabharata
 
karna was a great warrior...but he went 2 a wrong path...always provoked duryadhan for war ... little bit of jealous...took part in bastraharas,,told some bad words... and aLSO BROKE RULE in killing abhimanyu...1 of the 8 warriors who killed abhimanyu was karna...so arjun also broke rule 2 kill him...
 
arjuna had divyastra...but in real mahabharata there wwas adiscussion of arjuna and draupadi...arjuna told that he did not use divyastra as it would harm mankind...if i used them the war would end up in 2 days but everything would destroy...he always stood for dharma...so lord also chose him for gita
 
I agree with those views but I am not sure if Karn insulted Draupadi at vastraharan. Yes I know that he did not stop Duryodhan but as in the 80s serial shown I dont think Karn insulted her with those words. As far as I know Karn had some respect for women also but due to his "love and loyalty"for Duryodhan he did not stop him.

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ya,,,,
karn insulted her by telling her beshya at that time...he told that if she had already 5 husbands then what was the prob to sit on duryadhan's jangha...after when karn came 2 know that pandavas were his own bros, then he felt sorry for this...he also did not want 2 come in front of her for his words...
he was a good person ,he had respect for women...but only this time ...bura sagaat ka asar hai...
after his words arjun promised 2 kill him

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Originally posted by jayeetamitra

ya,,,,
karn insulted her by telling her beshya at that time...he told that if she had already 5 husbands then what was the prob to sit on duryadhan's jangha...after when karn came 2 know that pandavas were his own bros, then he felt sorry for this...he also did not want 2 come in front of her for his words...
he was a good person ,he had respect for women...but only this time ...bura sagaat ka asar hai...
after his words arjun promised 2 kill him
 
Yes that is what I saw in the serial but I could not find it in the epic(the book). I know that he was angry with Draupadi as she insulted Duryodhan when he fell into water but am not sure if he used those words for her.

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