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Posted: 20 September 2012 at 11:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by visrom

 YUDHISHTHIRA RULES

MAN pursues madly the object of his desire until it is got. When it is in his possession, he is soon satisfied, but he becomes the slave of ever-fresh longings and fresh griefs and finds no peace.

Although to fight and to kill his enemies is a Kshatriyas dharma, what joy can one gets out of power and position and wealth acquired by slaughter and grief inflicted on brothers and near relations? It was this that Arjuna pointed out in his powerful plea before Krishna when the battle commenced. Krishna in answer, explained the principles of man's activities and the proper discharge of one's duties. But, what Arjuna felt and argued had also a great deal of force and there was more truth in it than appeared on the surface.

The Pandavas defeated the Kauravas and became the unquestioned sovereigns of the land. They took up their duties and discharged them according to dharma. But, they found not in victory, the joy that they had expected.

"When the Pandavas won and obtained the kingdom, how did they treat Dhritarashtra?" asked king Janamejaya, and Vaisampayana, who recited Vyasa's Mahabharata to the king, tells the story.

The Pandavas with the utmost respect treated Dhritarashtra, who was plunged in a sea of grief. They tried to make him happy. They did nothing to make him feel humiliated. Yudhishthira issued no orders except with his approval. Gandhari, whose hundred sons had disappeared like dream-gold, was looked after by Kuntidevi with loving and sisterly devotion and Draupadi dutifully ministered to them both, with equal respect.

Yudhishthira furnished Dhritarashtra's house with rich seats and beds and decorations and all else that was wanted. He sent from the royal kitchen most dainty and palatable dishes prepared for him. Kripacharya, lived with Dhritarashtra and kept him company. Vyasa comforted him with instructive stories of olden times, calculated to assuage his sorrow.

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The part in red indicates that Dhritarashtra didn't go away...he continued to live in Hastinapur...and Kripacharya used to keep him company...which means Kripacharya may not have involved in any of Yudhishtira's official work.


Yeah, that's how I read it as well.  Dhritarashtra lived for 15 years in Hastinapur, and 3 years after that, was consumed in a forest fire.  The Pandavas continued to rule for 21 years after that.

And Kripacharya was primarily Dhritarashtra's companion.  I think that when Dhritarashtra retired, accompanied among others by Vidura & Sanjaya, Kripacharya ought to have left with him.
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Hi All,
 
 
I found an interesting article...wanted to share it with you all.
 
Keys to happiness
 
 
 
 
Arjuna, having seen Lord Krishna's Viswaroopa form, begs pardon for the many sins he must have committed in his life. He says that just as a father forgives his son, just as a man forgives his friend, just as a husband forgives an affectionate wife, so too must Krishna forgive him.

Understanding and forgiveness are the keys to any happy relationship. In the Mahabharata we have an instance of the perfect understanding between friends and the complete trust of a husband in his wife, said Rukmini Ramamurthy, in a discourse. Duryodhana has extended Karna his hand of friendship and treated him as an equal. Karna is grateful to Duryodhana for the kindness shown to him, and goes down fighting for his friend. But all this is much later. Long before the war, and in happier times, Karna and Duryodhana's wife are playing a game of chess one day.

Karna has played a deft game, and the Queen is on the verge of losing. Just then Duryodhana enters. Karna has not seen him enter, but the queen has. She rises to show her respect to Duryodhana, for the king is to be treated with respect. Karna, however, thinks she is trying to leave because she does not want to face the humiliation of defeat. So he pulls her attire, and the beads in the attire come off and scatter all over the floor. Duryodhana is witness to all this.

Any other man in his position would have suspected his wife's fidelity, and Duryodhana being the king, the punishment handed down to both wife and friend would have been severe.

But Duryodhana, despite his many faults, is an understanding husband, who has faith in his wife's loyalty. And as much faith in his friend's loyalty too. So he does not take Karna's act as having any wrong intentions. He knows Karna's action is an involuntary one.

A marriage that is based on such understanding is a happy one, and a friendship based on such implicit trust is an unshakeable one. Understanding and the ability to overlook trivial incidents and not blow them out of proportion are the hallmarks of any good relationship. It is not surprising that Arjuna craves understanding and forgiveness from Krishna for his actions.

 
 
 
 
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"Mahabharata": Whatever is in there, it helps and guides us to understand various aspects of life. What's not there, you can't find anywhere!!!!!

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Originally posted by RJ1234

"Mahabharata": Whatever is in there, it helps and guides us to understand various aspects of life. What's not there, you can't find anywhere!!!!!

RJ



Very true, even today morning I had to take a tough decision...Mahabharat came to my rescue.

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 @Vrish and @visrom: As you guys know that I had opened a seperate thread regarding the Mahabharata post war and here's the following link:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3455023

As I have mentioned earlier that I think it would be better if we only have only thread. After a long consideration, I strongly felt that any topics that is related to  the Mahabharata, we should discuss in this thread and making one of the biggest thread regarding the Mahabharata.

@Vrish: You had really made some interesting comments regarding my post on "Mahabarata Post-War". So, I would continue from where it was left off.

Actually, where was Yuyutsu that night?  Krishna advised the Pandavas not to stay in their camp, and they and Satyaki stayed away.  Everyone else slept in the Pandava camp and were massacred, but where was Yuyutsu?  RS-SK showed Yudhisthir as asking him to escort the Kaurava womenfolk back to Hastinapur, but is that mentioned anywhere in any of the versions?

@Vrish: Yuyutsu fought from the Pandavas side. The reason that I think that was why he wasn't massacred may be he also left with the pandavas and Satyaki, as per the instruction by the lord Krishna. Although, we can't really tell that how did he survive, but by going by the various puranas, all we can say that he was the only son of Dhitarastha, who survived the Mahabharata war

Another question is that who are successor from each dynasty?

 -Parikshit: A grandson of Arjuna and Subhadra, and a son of Abhimanyu and Uttara. He was made the king of Hastinapura

-Yuyutsu:  A son of Dhitarastha with a Vaishya woman named Sauvali. He was the only son of Dhitarastha, who survie the Mahabharata war. It's believed that he shited to the Pandavas side just before the war. After that Yuyutsu was appointed as a guardian to the king Parikshita. Now, here's a different version of the story, somewhere I read was that Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha.

I have seen another account that Yuyutsu was made the mayor of Hastinapur after Yudhisthir himself became king.  But Parikshit was not entrusted to him - he was entrusted to Subhadra.

@Vrish: What I really think is that two things might have had happened: 1) Yuyutsu became the king of Indraprastha, as well as he was also giving guidance to the king Parikhita at Hasitanapura. 2) Indraprastha and Hasthinapura merged and Yuyutsu became a guardian to Parikhshita.

-Vajra: A great grandson of the Lord Krishna and Rukmini, a grandson of Pradhymna and Rukmavati, and a son of Aniruddha and Usha. After the destruction of the Yadavas due to the curse from Gadhari and from the sages, Lord Krishna and Balarama left this earth, and went to their adobe, Vaikuntha. Arjuna came to Dwarka and took the remaining Yadavas and the Yadavas' wives to Hastinapura. After that Dwarka got submerged into the sea. On the way, Arjuna was attacked by the robbers. Arjuna fought with them, but noone of his great divine weapons worked at that time, and the robbers were successful to rob the gold, other valuable items and some of the Yadavas' women (mostly of the Vrishni and the Andhaka dynasty). Arjuna, then established the son of Kritavarman in the city of Marttikavat with the remnant of the women of the Bhoja King, as well as, Arjuna installed the son of Satyaki, Asanga, the king of the territory near the Saraswati river, and handed over to his care many of the old men and women of Dwarka. Then, Arjuna appointed Vajra, a king of Mathura. (The capital of the Surasena kingdom was Mathura). Now, here's another version of the story is that Vajra was appointed a king of Indraprastha. Note:  I wonder which one is true, Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha, or a king of Mathura at Indraprastha, or Yuyutsu was appointed as a ruler of Indraprastha, or he was made a guardian of the king Pariksht

When the Pandavas retired, both Parikshit & Vajra were entrusted to Subhadra's care by Yudhisthir (I can cite the reference in the other Mahabharata thread).  Also, I've wondered about Indraprastha myself, b'cos in RC Majumdar, I've read that the descendents of Parikshit moved their capital from Hastinapur to Indraprastha.  So what probably happened was that Vajra was coronated in Hastinapur, and then moved on to Mathura, while Parikshit got both Hastinapur and Indraprastha.

@Vrish: I had a doubt in my mind before, but now, I can say that Vajra became the king of Mathura. Also, in the various puranas, it's mentioned that Subhadra was a guardian and taking care of Vajra until he wasn't able to  fully control everything.

Thanks for giving me Satyaki's son's name.  We discussed this in the DBSK forum a bit - that the Yadavas were actually a coalition of Vrishnis, Andhakas, Satwatas and Bhojas, and during Krishna's lifetime, were held together due to the influence of Krishna.  But the undercurrent of differences b/w these sub tribes were always there, and erupted in that fratricide that destroyed at least 2 generations of them.  So after bringing them out of Dwarka, Arjun probably decided it best to partition them and give them all their different kingdoms.  Kritavarma's son - probably Krishna's son-in-law Bali - got Martikavat and the Bhojas/Andhakas stayed w/ him, Asanga got his kingdom (what was the name of that city/province?) along w/ the Satwatas, while Vajra got left w/ the Vrishnis.

@Vrish: Even I am not sure about the city and province, where Asanga ruled as the king, but it's near Saraswati river.

-Vrishketu: A son of Karna. His eight brothers died in the battle of the Mahabharata. He was the only one survived. Later, he became very attached to the Pandavas esp. to Arjuna. He assisted Arjuna and Bheema in the Ashwamedha Yagna. It's believed that Babrubavana killed Vrisketu during the Ashwamedga Yagna, when the horse reached Manipura. He was later brought back into life by the Lord Krishna. We don't know a lot about him post Ashwamedha Yagna, but I guess, it makes more sense that he became a king of the Anga Kingdom, since his father (Karna) was a king of the Anga Desh.

He is mentioned only in the Jaimineya Mahabharata - the Vaisapayana or Sukhdev accounts have no mention of him.  Also, Karna had 4 sons who died in the war - and another who was killed @ Draupadi's swayamvar.  All mentioned in the Pandava parivar thread.

 In the Pandava Parivar thread that Vaarali referenced, I asked this there as well - was Vrishaketu actually a combatant, or a non-combatant who was too young to fight, but who was there w/ his father, brothers & uncles?  For had he been a combatant, he too would have had to accompany Ashwathama, Kripa & Kritavarma in the Sauptika massacre - did he?  Had he done that, I can't imagine the Pandavas reconciling w/ him in that situation. 

@Vrish: I also did a lot of research on it. All I can say that he did participate in the war. No doubt about that Vishaketu was the youngest son of Karna. Why would he accompanied Ashwathama, when right after the death of Karna, everyone came to know that Karna was the elder son of Kunti. Remember, the death of Pandavas' son, Dhristadhyuma and Shikandi happened at the night when the Duryodhana was left at the battle field to die, and when Ashwathama came to see him, and he asked Ashwathama to kill the pandavas, and he accidentally killed the Pandavas' sons instead. So, what I really think is that after the fight between Bheema and Duryodhana, Vrishaketu went to his kingdom and accompanied his mother, and that's why he was the only one who survived from Karna's clan.

 

 Some other characters:

 -Babruvahana: A son of Arjuna and Chitrangada. He fought with his father during the Ashwamedha Yagna. Due to the curse from the mata Ganga, Babruvahana slain his father in the war, but later, Ulupi, Arjuna's another wife, who was a naag kanya, with the help from the gem, she brought Arjuna back into the life. After that Babruvahana continued to rule the kingdom of Manipura.

He went on to attend the yagna w/ Uloopi & Chitrangada, and after the war, he left Uloopi and Chitrangada w/ Arjun.  When the Pandavas decided to retire, Chitrangada returned to him, Uloopi returned to Nagalok while the other wives of the Pandavas - Subhadra, Karenamati and others as well as Uttara stayed on w/ Parikshit.

-Meghavarna: A son of Ghatothkach and Maurvi, and a younger brother of Barbareek. He assisted Vrishketu during the Ashwamedha Yagna.

What happened to Subhadra and Uttara afer the Paandavas and Draupadi went for their final journey?

 Nothing has been said about them too much, but we can imagine that both Subhadra and Uttara stayed at Hasinapura to take care of Parikshit.

The Mahabharata clearly has it that Yudhisthir left both Parikshit & Vajra in the care of Subhadra

 What happened to the Lord Krishna's wives?

 -After the death of the Lord Krishna, Rukmini, Jambavati and few became sati, while Satyabhama and many other queens of the Lord Krishna entered the forest to practice austerities. Note: It's not cleared about remaining 16100 wives of the Lord Krishna.  

Those 16,100 wives were said to have drowned themselves in the river Saraswati.  Satyabhama, Lakshmanaa and one more wife of Krishna retired to a place called Kalpa, in the Himalayas.  Note that in SB, all the Yadava womenfolk committed Sati in Dwarka itself, and Arjun & Bhima went to heaven directly from there - the Pandavas were not together in that one.

@Vrish: Thanks for adding some great insight into it.

 Who is Revati?

Revati was a wife of the Lord Balarama. Balarama and Revati had two sons: Nisatha and Ulmuka. Both her sons Nisatha and Ulmuka were killed in the Yadu fratricidal war. Revati became sati after the death of the Lord Balarama,  by ascending  onto his funeral pyre.

Actually, the Mahabharat and SB have conflicting accounts about the end of the Yadavas.  Everything you wrote before this was from the Mahabharata, whereas Balarama's end, you are recounting from SB.  In SB, the carnage randomly started, whereas in MB, it started as a result of an argument b/w Satyaki & Kritavarma.  In SB, both Balarama's & Krishna's bodies were found, and cremated, and ALL their wives committed sati on their pyre.  In MB, Arjun never found either Balarama's nor Krishna's bodies, since the devas had taken them to Vaikuntha; therefore, Arjun assumed that they were dead and performed their obsequies.  Unlike in SB, Krishna's womenfolk, including his wives, accompanied Arjun to Indraprastha, and on the way, they were attacked by dacoits and a lot of the Yadava maidens were abducted and taken away, and the entire contingent was robbed, and Arjun failed to defeat those bandits.  Then after they arrived in Indraprastha, Vajra was crowned king, and after that, some of Krishna's wives, like Rukmini & Jambavati committed sati, some like Satyabhama went into exile and the 16,100 drowned themselves in the Saraswati river.  In SB, Arjun & Bhima followed Krishna to Vaikuntha, whereas in MB, the Pandavas all went and died one by one, and Yudhisthir had his final test in Yamalok.

@Vrish: Yes you are right. But, as far I know in both Mahabharata and SB, it has written that the destruction started by the argument between Kritvarma and Satyaki. Also, the Lord Krishna's main 8 wives became sati or went to the forest, and remaining 16100 drowned into the saraswati river only after Arjuna appointed Vajra the king of Mathura.

Jaya Shree Krishna!!!! Hare Krisha!!! Hare Rama!!!!

 

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Posted: 08 April 2013 at 11:39am | IP Logged
Vrishaketu????

Regarding Vrishaketu, I am not sure whether he was alive during the Pandavas' final journey to the heaven or not. Some says that he was killed at hand of Babruvahana, during the Ashwamedha Yagna, while some says he got married to the daughter of the king
Yavanatha, and he successfully returned back to Hasthinapura, along with his newly married wife and his uncle Bheema.
Did he even go for the Ashwamedha campaign? if he did, then with whom? Bheema, or Arjuna? I was reading the Mahabharata online, no where it was mentioned that Vrishaketu was there with Arjuna, or am I being mistaken here?

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The only description of Vrishaketu was there in Jaimenaya.  He did get killed by Babruvahana, just like Arjun got killed, but like Arjun, he too was restored to life.  I dunno what happened to him after that - did he get to rule any kingdom, or was he just one of Yudhisthir's subjects in Hastinapur?

There is no mention of Vrishaketu in Vaisapanaya or Sukhdev's accounts.  We discussed it somewhat in the thread - Pandava Parivar


I just now noticed your previous post.  Fine, I'll comment on it in a bit.


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Originally posted by RJ1234

 @Vrish and @visrom: As you guys know that I had opened a seperate thread regarding the Mahabharata post war and here's the following link:
http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3455023

As I have mentioned earlier that I think it would be better if we only have only thread. After a long consideration, I strongly felt that any topics that is related to  the Mahabharata, we should discuss in this thread and making one of the biggest thread regarding the Mahabharata.

@Vrish: You had really made some interesting comments regarding my post on "Mahabarata Post-War". So, I would continue from where it was left off.

Actually, where was Yuyutsu that night?  Krishna advised the Pandavas not to stay in their camp, and they and Satyaki stayed away.  Everyone else slept in the Pandava camp and were massacred, but where was Yuyutsu?  RS-SK showed Yudhisthir as asking him to escort the Kaurava womenfolk back to Hastinapur, but is that mentioned anywhere in any of the versions?

@Vrish: Yuyutsu fought from the Pandavas side. The reason that I think that was why he wasn't massacred may be he also left with the pandavas and Satyaki, as per the instruction by the lord Krishna. Although, we can't really tell that how did he survive, but by going by the various puranas, all we can say that he was the only son of Dhitarastha, who survived the Mahabharata war

No, he was not w/ the Pandavas that night.  That would beg the question - why was he w/ the Pandavas, and not the others?  Why not Draupadis sons, Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi and so on?  

In RS-SK, they showed Yudhisthir asking him to escort all the Kaurava womenfolk back to Hastinapur.  Even that doesn't make sense, b'cos in Stri Parva, it's all about the Kaurava widows lamenting the deaths of their husbands at the Kurukshetra battlefield itself.  But what might have happened might have been Yudhisthir releasing Yuyutsu from his service, since he thought the war was over, and sending him to protect the Kaurava womenfolk.

A different thing that strikes me - since Krishna knew what Ashwatthama was up to, why didn't he keep away not just the Pandavas and Satyaki, but also Draupadi's sons?  Contrary to BRC, Ashwatthama knew that he had killed not Pandu's sons, but Draupadi's.  So why didn't Krishna bother to save them, and just leave Dhrishtadyumna, Shikhandi and a few other Panchala warriors there?

Another question is that who are successor from each dynasty?

 -Parikshit: A grandson of Arjuna and Subhadra, and a son of Abhimanyu and Uttara. He was made the king of Hastinapura

-Yuyutsu:  A son of Dhitarastha with a Vaishya woman named Sauvali. He was the only son of Dhitarastha, who survie the Mahabharata war. It's believed that he shited to the Pandavas side just before the war. After that Yuyutsu was appointed as a guardian to the king Parikshita. Now, here's a different version of the story, somewhere I read was that Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha.

I have seen another account that Yuyutsu was made the mayor of Hastinapur after Yudhisthir himself became king.  But Parikshit was not entrusted to him - he was entrusted to Subhadra.

@Vrish: What I really think is that two things might have had happened: 1) Yuyutsu became the king of Indraprastha, as well as he was also giving guidance to the king Parikhita at Hasitanapura. 2) Indraprastha and Hasthinapura merged and Yuyutsu became a guardian to Parikhshita.

I doubt that Yuyutsu would have had anything to do directly w/ Indraprastha.  One account that I read stated that Yuyutsu became the mayor of Hastinapur - something that may have happened when Yudhisthir became king.  Yeah, Yuyutsu never got his own kingdom, probably b'cos he was like Vidura - not completely w/ royal blood.  As for Hastinapur and Indraprastha merging, that happened automatically after the end of the war, since the Pandavas not only got back Indraprastha, but Dhritarashtra abdicated and the Pandavas got Hastinapur as well.

About the guidance/protection thing, Yudhisthir, in Mahaprasthanika Parva, entrusts Parikshit AND Vajra to Subhadra, not to Kripacharya nor Yuyutsu.  That brings me to my observation about Indraprastha, which I note below.

-Vajra: A great grandson of the Lord Krishna and Rukmini, a grandson of Pradhymna and Rukmavati, and a son of Aniruddha and Usha. After the destruction of the Yadavas due to the curse from Gadhari and from the sages, Lord Krishna and Balarama left this earth, and went to their adobe, Vaikuntha. Arjuna came to Dwarka and took the remaining Yadavas and the Yadavas' wives to Hastinapura. After that Dwarka got submerged into the sea. On the way, Arjuna was attacked by the robbers. Arjuna fought with them, but noone of his great divine weapons worked at that time, and the robbers were successful to rob the gold, other valuable items and some of the Yadavas' women (mostly of the Vrishni and the Andhaka dynasty). Arjuna, then established the son of Kritavarman in the city of Marttikavat with the remnant of the women of the Bhoja King, as well as, Arjuna installed the son of Satyaki, Asanga, the king of the territory near the Saraswati river, and handed over to his care many of the old men and women of Dwarka. Then, Arjuna appointed Vajra, a king of Mathura. (The capital of the Surasena kingdom was Mathura). Now, here's another version of the story is that Vajra was appointed a king of Indraprastha. Note:  I wonder which one is true, Vajra was appointed as a king of Indraprastha, or a king of Mathura at Indraprastha, or Yuyutsu was appointed as a ruler of Indraprastha, or he was made a guardian of the king Pariksht

When the Pandavas retired, both Parikshit & Vajra were entrusted to Subhadra's care by Yudhisthir (I can cite the reference in the other Mahabharata thread).  Also, I've wondered about Indraprastha myself, b'cos in RC Majumdar, I've read that the descendents of Parikshit moved their capital from Hastinapur to Indraprastha.  So what probably happened was that Vajra was coronated in Hastinapur, and then moved on to Mathura, while Parikshit got both Hastinapur and Indraprastha.

@Vrish: I had a doubt in my mind before, but now, I can say that Vajra became the king of Mathura. Also, in the various puranas, it's mentioned that Subhadra was a guardian and taking care of Vajra until he wasn't able to  fully control everything.

I actually raised this question as well in the DBSK Doubts & Discussions thread.  After his humiliating defeat at the hands of the dacoits, Arjun took the survivors to Indraprastha, where he crowned Vajra.  However, Krishna's widows all either self-immolated, or retired to the himalayas, or drowned themselves in the Saraswati river.  Nothing is stated about whether Indraprastha remained w/ Vajra or not.

I think what happened was that the Pandavas took leave from Subhadra at Indraprastha, not Hastinapur, which would be how she would have been left w/ the care of both Parikshit & Vajra.  Vajra, despite being crowned in Indraprastha, probably returned to Mathura w/ his kinsmen, while Parikshit probably remained in Indraprastha, leaving Yuyutsu as the mayor of Hastinapur.  Reason I say that is that in Dr RC Majumdar's the Vedic Age, it mentions some descendant of Janamejaya moving the Pandava capital back to Hastinapur, or vice versa.  In other words, Indraprastha remained w/ the Pandavas, and not the Vrishnis.

Thanks for giving me Satyaki's son's name.  We discussed this in the DBSK forum a bit - that the Yadavas were actually a coalition of Vrishnis, Andhakas, Satwatas and Bhojas, and during Krishna's lifetime, were held together due to the influence of Krishna.  But the undercurrent of differences b/w these sub tribes were always there, and erupted in that fratricide that destroyed at least 2 generations of them.  So after bringing them out of Dwarka, Arjun probably decided it best to partition them and give them all their different kingdoms.  Kritavarma's son - probably Krishna's son-in-law Bali - got Martikavat and the Bhojas/Andhakas stayed w/ him, Asanga got his kingdom (what was the name of that city/province?) along w/ the Satwatas, while Vajra got left w/ the Vrishnis.

@Vrish: Even I am not sure about the city and province, where Asanga ruled as the king, but it's near Saraswati river.

Where was the Saraswati river?  All I know was that it merged w/ the Ganga and Yamuna at Prayag.  Also, after Amba self immolated so that she'd take birth again to kill Bheeshma, she became a river by the same name.  Any idea where that was/is?

-Vrishketu: A son of Karna. His eight brothers died in the battle of the Mahabharata. He was the only one survived. Later, he became very attached to the Pandavas esp. to Arjuna. He assisted Arjuna and Bheema in the Ashwamedha Yagna. It's believed that Babrubavana killed Vrisketu during the Ashwamedga Yagna, when the horse reached Manipura. He was later brought back into life by the Lord Krishna. We don't know a lot about him post Ashwamedha Yagna, but I guess, it makes more sense that he became a king of the Anga Kingdom, since his father (Karna) was a king of the Anga Desh.

He is mentioned only in the Jaimineya Mahabharata - the Vaisapayana or Sukhdev accounts have no mention of him.  Also, Karna had 4 sons who died in the war - and another who was killed @ Draupadi's swayamvar.  All mentioned in the Pandava parivar thread.

 In the Pandava Parivar thread that Vaarali referenced, I asked this there as well - was Vrishaketu actually a combatant, or a non-combatant who was too young to fight, but who was there w/ his father, brothers & uncles?  For had he been a combatant, he too would have had to accompany Ashwathama, Kripa & Kritavarma in the Sauptika massacre - did he?  Had he done that, I can't imagine the Pandavas reconciling w/ him in that situation. 

@Vrish: I also did a lot of research on it. All I can say that he did participate in the war. No doubt about that Vishaketu was the youngest son of Karna. Why would he accompanied Ashwathama, when right after the death of Karna, everyone came to know that Karna was the elder son of Kunti. Remember, the death of Pandavas' son, Dhristadhyuma and Shikandi happened at the night when the Duryodhana was left at the battle field to die, and when Ashwathama came to see him, and he asked Ashwathama to kill the pandavas, and he accidentally killed the Pandavas' sons instead. So, what I really think is that after the fight between Bheema and Duryodhana, Vrishaketu went to his kingdom and accompanied his mother, and that's why he was the only one who survived from Karna's clan.

 No, this is not correct - NOBODY knew that Karna was Kunti's son, until they were doing all the funerals.  As to Vrishaketu's participation in the war, does Jaimenaya mention anything that Vrishaketu did in the war - such as protect Jayadrath (like Vrishasena did) or fight the Pandavas anywhere else?  On day 18, Nakul killed the remaining of Karna's sons - Chitrasena, Susena and Satyasena after a tough combat w/ them, so had Vrishaketu been a combatant, Nakula would have killed him there as well.  

Also, remember that on that day, the Kauravas were so heavily outnumbered for the first time in that war that Sanjaya himself stopped narrating the story to Dhritarashtra and went into battle himself, and was captured by Satyaki.  Vyasa got Satyaki to release him.  In other words, the Kauravas were desperate to find warriors who could match the Pandavas.  Shalya was surrounded by Yudhisthir and the Pandavas, Duryodhan, Ashwatthama, Kripa & Kritavarma fled from the field following Shalya's death, Arjun battled and killed Susharma, Bhima killed the rest of Duryodhan's brothers, Sahadev killed Uluka and Shakuni and the remaining Kaurava armies were completely massacred.  Vrishaketu would have been amongst the dead had he not been a non-combatant.

Also, Kunti only revealed that she was Karna's birth giver when it was clear that there was nobody to perform his shradh (which actually seems strange if Vrishaketu was around - the right to perform Karna's shradh would be his b4 it was Yudhisthir's).  Or maybe she wanted to end the hatred the Pandavas had for Karna.  Whatever the case, Kunti revealed that privately to the Pandavas in order to persuade them to do his shradh.  Once it was done, the Pandavas may have reconciled to Vrishaketu.

 Some other characters:

 -Babruvahana: A son of Arjuna and Chitrangada. He fought with his father during the Ashwamedha Yagna. Due to the curse from the mata Ganga, Babruvahana slain his father in the war, but later, Ulupi, Arjuna's another wife, who was a naag kanya, with the help from the gem, she brought Arjuna back into the life. After that Babruvahana continued to rule the kingdom of Manipura.

He went on to attend the yagna w/ Uloopi & Chitrangada, and after the war, he left Uloopi and Chitrangada w/ Arjun.  When the Pandavas decided to retire, Chitrangada returned to him, Uloopi returned to Nagalok while the other wives of the Pandavas - Subhadra, Karenamati and others as well as Uttara stayed on w/ Parikshit.

-Meghavarna: A son of Ghatothkach and Maurvi, and a younger brother of Barbareek. He assisted Vrishketu during the Ashwamedha Yagna.

What happened to Subhadra and Uttara afer the Paandavas and Draupadi went for their final journey?

 Nothing has been said about them too much, but we can imagine that both Subhadra and Uttara stayed at Hasinapura to take care of Parikshit.

The Mahabharata clearly has it that Yudhisthir left both Parikshit & Vajra in the care of Subhadra

 What happened to the Lord Krishna's wives?

 -After the death of the Lord Krishna, Rukmini, Jambavati and few became sati, while Satyabhama and many other queens of the Lord Krishna entered the forest to practice austerities. Note: It's not cleared about remaining 16100 wives of the Lord Krishna.  

Those 16,100 wives were said to have drowned themselves in the river Saraswati.  Satyabhama, Lakshmanaa and one more wife of Krishna retired to a place called Kalpa, in the Himalayas.  Note that in SB, all the Yadava womenfolk committed Sati in Dwarka itself, and Arjun & Bhima went to heaven directly from there - the Pandavas were not together in that one.

@Vrish: Thanks for adding some great insight into it.

 Who is Revati?

Revati was a wife of the Lord Balarama. Balarama and Revati had two sons: Nisatha and Ulmuka. Both her sons Nisatha and Ulmuka were killed in the Yadu fratricidal war. Revati became sati after the death of the Lord Balarama,  by ascending  onto his funeral pyre.

Actually, the Mahabharat and SB have conflicting accounts about the end of the Yadavas.  Everything you wrote before this was from the Mahabharata, whereas Balarama's end, you are recounting from SB.  In SB, the carnage randomly started, whereas in MB, it started as a result of an argument b/w Satyaki & Kritavarma.  In SB, both Balarama's & Krishna's bodies were found, and cremated, and ALL their wives committed sati on their pyre.  In MB, Arjun never found either Balarama's nor Krishna's bodies, since the devas had taken them to Vaikuntha; therefore, Arjun assumed that they were dead and performed their obsequies.  Unlike in SB, Krishna's womenfolk, including his wives, accompanied Arjun to Indraprastha, and on the way, they were attacked by dacoits and a lot of the Yadava maidens were abducted and taken away, and the entire contingent was robbed, and Arjun failed to defeat those bandits.  Then after they arrived in Indraprastha, Vajra was crowned king, and after that, some of Krishna's wives, like Rukmini & Jambavati committed sati, some like Satyabhama went into exile and the 16,100 drowned themselves in the Saraswati river.  In SB, Arjun & Bhima followed Krishna to Vaikuntha, whereas in MB, the Pandavas all went and died one by one, and Yudhisthir had his final test in Yamalok.

@Vrish: Yes you are right. But, as far I know in both Mahabharata and SB, it has written that the destruction started by the argument between Kritvarma and Satyaki. Also, the Lord Krishna's main 8 wives became sati or went to the forest, and remaining 16100 drowned into the saraswati river only after Arjuna appointed Vajra the king of Mathura.

Actually, in SB, way the fratricide was described didn't make any sense.  There, they say that Pradyumna fought fiercely against Samba, Akrura against Kuntibhoja, Aniruddha against Satyaki, Subhadra against Sa?gramajit, Sumitra against Suratha, and the two Gadas against each other.  Also, Nisa?ha, Ulmuka, Sahasrajit, Satajit and Bhanu, confronted and killed one another.  Kuntibhoj - are they talking about Kunti's father?  He was killed on the by Drona the night before the latter's death in the war itself - he was an active participant on the Pandava side.

The way the Mahabharata described how the fight was triggered made sense.  Satyaki, who was quite drunk, decided to re-open really historical wounds, calling Kritavarma a disgrace on kshatriyas for being the one kshatriya out of the 3 who massacred the Pandavas.  Kritavarma retorted at the way Satyaki had slaughtered Bhurishrava, who had already been disabled by Arjun and unable to fight.  Satyaki brought up the way Kritavarma was amongst the plotters who killed Satyabhama's father Satrajit, which made Satyabhama cry and angered Krishna as well.  Suddenly, Satyaki enraged drew his sword and beheaded Kritavarma, and then started to attack the Andhakas around him.  They attacked him w/ crockery, and to save him, Pradhyumna also intervened, but both Pradyumna & Satyaki were killed.

Krishna was angered by their deaths and uprooted the grass, where Samba's baby mace had been grounded and scattered, and the grass automatically became a mace.  He then started attacking Pradhyumna's enemies, and others got the hint and everybody was plucking maces and killing each other.  Finally, when they were all done, Krishna made plans to get the survivors evacuated from Dwarka.

One more thing.  In Mausala parva, Arjun never discovered Krishna's or Balarama's body, and so just assumed them dead and did their shradh.  In SB, Daruka got to see Krishna die, whereas in MB, Krishna sent him to Hastinapur b4 going to join Balarama

Jaya Shree Krishna!!!! Hare Krisha!!! Hare Rama!!!!

 

Regards,


RJ

 

 

 

 



Edited by .Vrish. - 10 April 2013 at 12:07am

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