Right to Abortion - Page 3

Its happening jst as predicted in the show.. except tht DS doesnt support G and her heir.. at least for now.. Edited by achiever - 12 years ago

This content was originally posted by: woman11

The issue of abortion has been the bone of contention for many religious, ethical, legal and medical debate. I have often opposed the pro-life groups in US who argue against abortion at any cost. Unlike them, I support abortion, but I also believe abortion is right only under certain conditions. I believe a woman has a right to abort:

1. If the conception is the result of a rape
2. If the conception can potentially harm the health of the mother
3. If the unborn child is detected with some congenital deformity and its parents are not ready to bring up such a child that requires immense patience and investment of resources
4. If a conception occurs due to lack to access to contraceptive measures, lack of proper information (eg teenage pregnancy), restrictions on the woman to use contraceptives due to familial or cultural reasons, and if the woman has no say on her reproductive decisions due to an immensely patriarchal set up.

However, that's my point of view. I would love to hear yours. What are your views about abortion? Do you find it wrong under any circumstance? Do you support abortion and a woman's right to her body under any circumstances? What do you think?

If you are in the US, the politics of abortion has shifted way, way to the pro-choice side.  I happen to be pro-choice myself, except that I believe in mandatory abortions in cases of rape, incest and life of a woman, but I also believe that a husband should have the right to veto an abortion.  However, in the US, the only sort of abortion that is banned is Intact dilation and extraction, a.k.a. partial birth abortions; other than that, abortions @ any stage of a pregnancy is legal.  In India, from what I understand, it's illegal after the first trimester.

However, in the US, NOW, NARAL and other 'pro-choice' groups are not just actively pro-abortion, but even opposed to husbands having any rights in the matter.  That is where the law is as well, as per Roe v Wade.  Therefore, even though I'm pro-choice (and actually support abortion in cases of wedlock pregnancies, which these organizations have absolutely no issues w/), I happen to oppose pro-choice groups in the US, despite being on principle pro-choice myself, due to their misandric stances - often more implicit than otherwise.

Somehow, the maroon parts of your statement put you squarely on the pro-life side - people who have your stance on abortion are in the pro-life camp, not the pro-choice.  It therefore seems to contradict your green statement above, even incorporating the but that follows.

On Gauri, I support her right to an abortion IFF Jagya too wants it that way.  If both Gauri & Jagya are in favor of it, I don't think it's anybody else's business to tell them to keep it.  However, if Jagya doesn't want it, as is evident, then I don't think that Gauri has that right - not b'cos of the other qualifying reasons you mentioned.
Edited by .Vrish. - 12 years ago

G marries without planning(b4 taking a decision,she has no friends to discuss,nor wd she discuss with bade papa,her parents etc,) ... conceives without planning ( even after that also , as soon as the regular menstrual period is missed,she could have checked with HCG  strip test na?)

All because of G's mad fad about the stupid J,who actually had 2 clear all issues with A n then also had 2 take the responsibility of family planning. 

excellent post woman11!👏

but what i find surprising whenever i read about abortion, or child birth and all is that why it is always woman's or say mother's right to choose.

To abort or not, is there any debate that is so hotly contested (except perhaps euthanasia)

My own personal view is that a woman's body is her own. Complete ownership. Nobody, not even her husband has a right to dictate anything about her body. She is not a vessel for child birth. Hence, it should be completely her choice, her decision whether to bring a child in this world or not.

I am a believer in 'to each is own' .. I don't think less of gauri if she decides to abort, i don't think more of her if she decides to give birth. Her choice, nothing to do with me.

I honestly don't think that any decision is wrong. As long as no one forces their idea of abortion on me, i don't feel the need to force my idea of abortion/ birth on anyone else. And neither do I judge other women for whatever their decision.

As for motherhood being the most beautiful feeling in the world, and how no woman is complete without becoming a mother etc etc . That is true for most people but not all. There are a lot of women who just don't want children - not now, not ever. It doesn't make them evil, it doesn't make them 'bad'. you can't force women to "feel" how you think they should feel.

And if a women is contemplating an abortion, it means she is not ready for the responsibility of a child. More than financial and physical, raising children is an emotional commitment. If she is not ready to make it then can you truly hope that a child will have a positive loving world ? And if you force a woman (emotionally or under threats of divorce) to have a child, does that not mean saying to a woman that your only function is to bear a child. You have no freedom, no thought, no say in this this.

Are the men shortchanged ? Yes, of course!. They should have a say in the life of their child. But their say is just about convincing the woman of their point of view. No more no less. They cannot force their decisions on a woman.
It is not their body so they do not get the right to say what to do about it. Sadly, it is one area where what they want comes secondary. But of course in reality, men almost always get their way - from sweet talking to threats about divorce and other emotional pressure.

What about the rights of a father?!!

Doesn't a father have any right over his child? Doesn't a father take care of a child? Infact, a man can take bring up a child without a mother... mother's presence is essential in the first 4-5 months - once a baby starts having food other than breast milk,  a man can take care of a child like a mother.

We all criticize a man or man's family when a woman is forced to have baby against her will or despite her ill-health. But how can a woman  take away the right from her husband/partner from being a father, specially if she has willingly consummated with her partner, has been callous for not taking enough protection and her health is absolutely fine?!

Personally I am against abortion unless there are issues like woman11 has mentioned. Otherwise, if a woman gets pregnant, no one should force her to abort the child as she has full right over it. Similarly, a woman can't deny a man from his child just because her career will be at stake. If one has to think about career and responsibility, both partners should be extremely careful in the conjugal life and plan well beforehand.  Most importantly, both partners should think similarly where having children are concerned - a man should not force a woman of having/not having a child and at the same time, a woman can't deny a man from being a father.

Just because woman is giving birth does not solve the issue - a man has equal contribution in the birth of a child.

So, in this case, Gauri, just for her own selfish reason, can't deny Jagya from having his child IMO. Of course, Gauri can clarify it that after delivery, it's jagya who has to take more responsibility of the child or they together can plan to take help of G' parents or paid caretakers.
Edited by doyelpakhi - 12 years ago

This content was originally posted by: nimmi_rra

 a child should not come to this world as a punishment. He/she is should be a wonderful gift of God. Every child has a right to be accepted with open arms and love. not with regret, bitterness and pain. A loving, caring and stable family is the right of the child. if the parents are incapable of providing the same then they should wait for the time when they can provide that.

A child is a God gift. Not a punishment. bring him/her here to the earth if one will love, respect and protect the child.

 

Exactly my point ! Children are precious and should be welcomed with open arms like a long awaited treasure. They should not be a born as a burden.

Edited by hooked - 12 years ago

@ hooked - you have done a wonderful job by adopting the kid!

Don't worry - he will never question your love and devotion. Yes, he might try to trace his original parents but it doesn't mean there will be any doubts regarding you.

Being a confident, sensible person he will know how to deal with the situation. :)
Edited by doyelpakhi - 12 years ago

@hooked..

This content was originally posted by: asru

Guys, can someone please tell me the actual LAW of abortion? I'm not much aware of this law. As per my idea, from the time of conception whenever the mom wud-be tries to get aborted it  is illegal ( in India). But again, as i told u, i'm not sure about it😛.If someone has a complete knowledge on this law, please share...when would the Abortion be declared as illegal by the Law?