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love arnav :) ..khushi? not so much (note on pg7) (Page 7)

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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 9:16am | IP Logged
i never said i hate khushi..i just said im not loving her right now. JUST for the time being.

..i also never said i hate it when she's rude to ASR..its not about being rude..its about the story not progressing forward, because the leads keep running away from each other.

arnav's character isnt an angel..but we already know that. he is a demon..who sometimes feels emotion..which is whats beautiful about him. i am NOT encouraging his rude attitude towards khushi or la for that matter..im just saying i see a development there..which i find beautiful.

 

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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 9:44am | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Drishti-

Originally posted by barunroxx7

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I have no problem  if Khushi ran away from ASR or just ignores him . My question is if she doesnt want to see his face while working in RM then why does she do stuff like putting sugar in his car engine?What is her    problem if he doesnt marry La ?
To make a good bahu material out of LA,Khushi feels it's part of her job to convince La for marriage! She may be a bit confused here. But she doesn't have any bad intentions for either LA or ASR!!



 She is here to bring change in La not in ASR .
..answer given above!

Abt ASR 's manners then when did i say that he is well-behaved ?  I really liked Khushi and had lot of expectations from her . That is why i saying all this out of frustration . Abt ASR i always knew that he is rude and mean . But Khushi also does alot of things based on assumptions , For example throwing hot tea at someone's face without seeing whether that person is actually holding dupatta ( he gave her a chance to speak despite of thinking that she may throw sumthin else at him againLOL) . But our Khushi wud not have done that .

 She actually provokes ASR to insult her .

..ASR doesn't need any provocation..he is always in an angry mood, except when he is with his Di.
True ASR is always in angry mood but he wud not have given her da aukaat crap if she didnt play all those pranks on him . And now she pretended to faint so i wont be surprised if ASR  insults her again .  So are all these not provocation ?? Why cant she ignore him in da first place ??
Abt La training then i have no problem if she makes her gud bahu but why after ASR ?? She made ASR do pooja by lying for which she was insulted and also calling him character dheelaLOL
Are all these not provocations ?? ASR wud not have told her all those stuff if she didnt do all these silly things in da first place .


@bold- isn't that what she wanted to do? which is why she kept that condition! if he wud have nicely gone and come back from office like he used too before, they would have been nicely ignoring each other! 

oh so you believe that ASR can go ON and ON abt her aukat and her this and that..and she'll nicely sit and listen?? She IS going to retaliate...and if that provokes ASR even more, then i won't say its Khushi's fault. Theres a limit to what a person can take..Khushi didn't say anything when he let her fall from his cabin, or when he made her stand in the rain helping his clients park their cars..but the GH incident was the last straw..that was when she lashed out! Similarly, she didn't say anything when he humiliated her at her house, but she did speak up the next time he spoke abt her aukat. Then we had the car incident..and ok i'm not going to go narrating it all coz you've seen the scenes..but what i'm trying to say is that she will lash out if he is going to continue being like that. And to avoid such a confrontation..she's finding ways to avoid him for the simple reason that she doesn't want to lose her job!
Ofcourse noone likes ASR's aukat crap and i also said previously that i would want ASR to apologise to KKG for that in da future .  I am just saying that Khushi has to listen abt her aukat sometimes because of her own faults . The first time ASR and KKG fought after she came in RM for La-training was also because of her . She made him do the Janmashtami pooja  and that is what made ASR mad and then they fought in da car . But i dont understand why she made him do da pooja when she doesnt even want to see his face . Well, i am just saying that i dont get this behaviour of hers . For me she is not PERFECT but for you she can be . That is why i am just saying these things that i dont get abt her as it seems contradictory to me . This is just my POV . I really love Khushi but nowadays i get irritated sometimes because i dont get her behaviour . I get irritated by her these behaviour like the same way i get irritated when i listen to ASR's aukat crap.
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 10:16am | IP Logged
Originally posted by momma1128

It's an interesting conversation going on.

It's just a matter of perception of what you consider mature and not mature.  Justified behavior and unjustified behavior.  18 years old is not old, but it is also not young in the sense of understanding consequences.

ASR has always been a jerk to her and is pretty consistent with it.  He also has moments of actual human behavior, with Anjali, with Khushi, with Mami and Mama and Akash.  This flip side has been shown slowly and gradually throughout the show.

Khushi used to be consistent in her forwardness with ASR, and her avoidance of him.  He would challenge her and she would rise to the occassion and give it back.  He initiated and in those circumstances, she was absolutely right to not give him the time of day.  But that was the old Khushi before she accepted the job at the RM.  After that, I find her behavior puzzling.  

She is shown to be very mature about certain things with all people, including ASR and the way she stopped him from continuing with his aukat rant (which I can't stand) and for apologizing.  I think though this is where people find her incongruous.  After realizing what kind of person ASR is - why do the very things you know will feed into his preconceived notion about you?  As viewers we understand very well that ASR is not going to be one to let anything go and I believe Khushi understands that too.  Lecturing him on his lack of character for live in, tricking him into aarti, and now planting the idea of marriage in La's head.  She absolutely knew what she had done would have this effect, so yes, that is why it seems she is running from the consequences of her instigation.

 And the CV's have further made it seem immature by having her avoid the conversation in a very calculating manner of faking fainting (I hope that there is a very good reason for this).  Some people feel that it is quite within Khushi to avoid a fight, but the nuance in this particular instance is that she indeed had started it, whereas before ASR purposely brought the fight to her.  I think this is what has rubbed most people in the wrong direction.  At 18 years old, most people know, if you play with fire, you will get burned.
 Anu(hope I have got the name correct.. I seem to remember the name from some of your other posts) , The only thing I would see differently here is that while the pooja thing khsuhsi defly did not have a strong enough reason ( I mean whatever supposed ishara from god) , the marriage  is just part of her job ... She was not just out of the blue coming out and giving her opinion on that... she is asked to make la a sanskaari bahu who will be acceptable to ASRs family... and she did that... so it wasn't really done with the intent of initiating the fight... she was invited into the midst of a situation which her sensibilities find offensive... and the sensibilities of ASRs family also is very similar to Khushi... Every one had just made an uneasy truce with the situation and Nani had given a deadline as well of one month... so Khushi is doing a job... not with the intent of taking panga with ASR... true somewhere she must have realised it would make him mad... But I never felt that was the intent of her convincing Lavanya... she did not have any mean thoughts regarding the marriage thing... and while the fainting was defly not a nice thing to do... in my opinion atleast that doesn't make her a lesser person or a coward totally... you judge someone based on everything you have seen about that person... so I atleast feel that while the faint scene was totally avaoidable... that does not mean she has now become a coward or she is shirking responsibility... every time she has fought back when she had no other option... she is just doing the same now also... she wants to avoid him by hook or crook... that is all... so while I too had the discomfort regarding the fainting scene ( may be to a lesser extent than most of you) , I won't call her as totally ruined for me... or horrible or anything even close to that.. that is all...
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 10:29am | IP Logged
My discomfort is also ONLY regarding the fainting scene, which seemed totally childish and immature...otherwise I don't see why she should give him the time of the day...

Her job is with Lavanya and she has been hired by Anjali to teach Lavanya the Indian sanskaars (as ridiculous as it may soundWacko...poor Lavanya! )...She is here to groom Lavanya to nani ji's liking...And she is doing whatever is in her power...

It is Arnav who needs to find his right targets...If he has a problem with what Khushi is teaching Lavanya ,he needs to go talk it out with Anjali/Lavanya/Nani...and NOT harass Khushi with his rage...

And I read someone mentioning how KKG has to be thankful to Arnav for saving her life 'so many' times...er...when is this 'so many' times??? and what according to you should she be doing to express her gratitude??? LOL


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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 10:40am | IP Logged
Originally posted by solembaum

Originally posted by momma1128

It's an interesting conversation going on.

It's just a matter of perception of what you consider mature and not mature.  Justified behavior and unjustified behavior.  18 years old is not old, but it is also not young in the sense of understanding consequences.

ASR has always been a jerk to her and is pretty consistent with it.  He also has moments of actual human behavior, with Anjali, with Khushi, with Mami and Mama and Akash.  This flip side has been shown slowly and gradually throughout the show.

Khushi used to be consistent in her forwardness with ASR, and her avoidance of him.  He would challenge her and she would rise to the occassion and give it back.  He initiated and in those circumstances, she was absolutely right to not give him the time of day.  But that was the old Khushi before she accepted the job at the RM.  After that, I find her behavior puzzling.  

She is shown to be very mature about certain things with all people, including ASR and the way she stopped him from continuing with his aukat rant (which I can't stand) and for apologizing.  I think though this is where people find her incongruous.  After realizing what kind of person ASR is - why do the very things you know will feed into his preconceived notion about you?  As viewers we understand very well that ASR is not going to be one to let anything go and I believe Khushi understands that too.  Lecturing him on his lack of character for live in, tricking him into aarti, and now planting the idea of marriage in La's head.  She absolutely knew what she had done would have this effect, so yes, that is why it seems she is running from the consequences of her instigation.

 And the CV's have further made it seem immature by having her avoid the conversation in a very calculating manner of faking fainting (I hope that there is a very good reason for this).  Some people feel that it is quite within Khushi to avoid a fight, but the nuance in this particular instance is that she indeed had started it, whereas before ASR purposely brought the fight to her.  I think this is what has rubbed most people in the wrong direction.  At 18 years old, most people know, if you play with fire, you will get burned.
 Anu(hope I have got the name correct.. I seem to remember the name from some of your other posts) , The only thing I would see differently here is that while the pooja thing khsuhsi defly did not have a strong enough reason ( I mean whatever supposed ishara from god) , the marriage  is just part of her job ... She was not just out of the blue coming out and giving her opinion on that... she is asked to make la a sanskaari bahu who will be acceptable to ASRs family... and she did that... so it wasn't really done with the intent of initiating the fight... she was invited into the midst of a situation which her sensibilities find offensive... and the sensibilities of ASRs family also is very similar to Khushi... Every one had just made an uneasy truce with the situation and Nani had given a deadline as well of one month... so Khushi is doing a job... not with the intent of taking panga with ASR... true somewhere she must have realised it would make him mad... But I never felt that was the intent of her convincing Lavanya... she did not have any mean thoughts regarding the marriage thing... and while the fainting was defly not a nice thing to do... in my opinion atleast that doesn't make her a lesser person or a coward totally... you judge someone based on everything you have seen about that person... so I atleast feel that while the faint scene was totally avaoidable... that does not mean she has now become a coward or she is shirking responsibility... every time she has fought back when she had no other option... she is just doing the same now also... she wants to avoid him by hook or crook... that is all... so while I too had the discomfort regarding the fainting scene ( may be to a lesser extent than most of you) , I won't call her as totally ruined for me... or horrible or anything even close to that.. that is all...

Yes it's Anu.  And your name is? - I do not want to assume from your IF id.Smile
I agree with you re: La - that is why I haven't mentioned anything regarding her responsibilities with La and teaching her to dress or cook in a way that appeals to the Raizada's.  The issue I had was with Khushi planting the seed that marriage is the way you will get to keep ASR.  I understand completely that Khushi finds the live in situation offensive and inspite of it, she is staying because of the money.  But, her job as I see it, is to make La become bahu-like in her responsibilities - not to actually BECOME a bahu.  And she had this conversation with La after her run-in with ASR in his car where he very specifically told her to mind her own business about his marriage and/or live in with La.  I certainly do not hate Khushi - I think the CV's need to do a better job in developing her character to an extent where half the forum isn't scratching their head thinking - would Khushi have really done that.
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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 11:03am | IP Logged

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Yes it's Anu.  And your name is? - I do not want to assume from your IF id.Smile
I agree with you re: La - that is why I haven't mentioned anything regarding her responsibilities with La and teaching her to dress or cook in a way that appeals to the Raizada's.  The issue I had was with Khushi planting the seed that marriage is the way you will get to keep ASR.  I understand completely that Khushi finds the live in situation offensive and inspite of it, she is staying because of the money.  But, her job as I see it, is to make La become bahu-like in her responsibilities - not to actually BECOME a bahu.  And she had this conversation with La after her run-in with ASR in his car where he very specifically told her to mind her own business about his marriage and/or live in with La.  I certainly do not hate Khushi - I think the CV's need to do a better job in developing her character to an extent where half the forum isn't scratching their head thinking - would Khushi have really done that.
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Shamim... my name :-) I somehow feel that part of making her aware of indian culture and the reeti riwaz will also include marriage right?? But yeah her definition was pretty simplistic and unidimensional ( I would assume it is a case of explaining in a language the audience in question (lavanya) will understand)... which is why I never felt it was an intentional interference meant to make ASR see red... anyway hoping to see better progression in the story going forward and hopefully Khushi will stop evoking these strong negative reactions also sometime soon... not sure...  Lets hope for the best and I really hope this wont be one in the list of serials I drop half way...


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Posted: 21 September 2011 at 12:25pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by DiyaS

Add me to the minority here ...

TM, I don't know if you just watch the Arnav scenes with more attention ... and not the Khushi ones at all ... because you say everyday they show a more beautiful side of arnav ... and what about Khushi ... did you not see the scene with her father where she speaks about being adopted and yet doing all she can for her family? Which includes, in case you missed it, being insulted, humiliated and laughed at in the Raizada house ... she takes it all and smiles ... Is it the fact that she's not the usual weeping silent Bhartiya nari who puts up with everything that is upsetting you? Is she supposed to put up with everything that is dished out to her and not react to it at all? Why should she listen to ASR when he just ordered her rudely to stay straight, not walk away and not even move her hand while he talks to her??? Yes, she pretended to faint, yes she doesn't want to hear more about her aukat and middle class crap from him ... and she can't be rude straight off ... not till she is really backed into a corner and has no escape ... because surprise, surprise, she does remember that she has a job to keep!

Arnav has a certain character, he is supposed to be rude and brusque with everyone ... so when he shows the slightest bit of tender emotions, like the feelings for Anjali or the concern for Khushi, everyone gushes and goes ooohh and aahhh .. he's so sweet to Khushi, why is she so mean to him?

And Khushi is supposed to be sweet and smiling with everyone ... including with those who insult her like Mami and Blah so when she is NOT that with Arnav, everyone finds fault with her character ... she is immature and a coward ... have people forgotten that she is the only one who actually stands up to Arnav and fights ... but she does it when she is truly cornered and has no option ... or like in the car scene, when he drives her to it - he locked the door and told her she wasn't going anywhere till she answered ... so she did ...  AND also had the guts to seek him out and apologise when she made a mistake ...  Because it takes courage to admit your mistake ... she has that in spadeloads ...

the whole point is that they are both NOT their usual selves with each other ...

Sorry for this long rant , but honestly this really gets to me!!!  People need to separate the actor from the character ... BS is dishy and makes a great ASR, but BS himself says there is nothing likeable about his character and it's pretty 'khatarnak' ... and likewise Khushi is supposed to be naive and immature ... but courageous when needed ... darti hai par karti hai is her tagline, and I think Khushi is being exactly that. And if both the leads were perfect from the start, there would be no evolution of characters, just a simple falling in love story ... I am hoping this is far more than that!




@Divya: Loved your post and completely agree with you...as mentioned by you khushi can be summed up as "darti hai par karti hai"...well within her characterisation. Beautiful  post once again.


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