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Posted: 07 September 2011 at 10:49pm | IP Logged
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even yudhisthir learned dice from raja virata during 13 th year of exile, and he got boon from someone that after that, no one would be able to defeat him so guess even shakuni did not try.Embarrassed


The last was not exactly true - Virata may have taught Yudhisthir such that he wouldn't lose, but Shakuni didn't know it.  That's why, following Drona's appointment as the senapati of the Kaurava army, Duryodhan asked him to capture Yudhisthir, but not kill him.  The idea being that if captured, Yudhisthir could be made to play another game again, and if he lost, restart another 13 years of exile.  The Pandavas and Krishna probably decided that it was important to punish Duryodhan, Dushashan, Karna and Shakuni, and therefore decided that Yudhisthir had to be protected.  From days 11-14, Drona kept trying and failing to capture Yudhisthir so that Duryodhan could carry out his plan, and finally, on day 15, got killed.

I think the Pandavas should have played again, but this time w/ Krishna rolling the dice for them, just like Shakuni did for Duryodhan, and do it under the condition that if the Kauravas lost, Bhima would get to kill Duryodhan & Dushashan, Arjun Karna, and Sahadev Shakuni, and Dhritarashtra would have to step down from the throne and go into exile alone w/ Gandhari (no Kunti, no Vidura, no nobody).


If they had played again the whole purpose of the moral of the story of Vya's Mahabharat would have been lost

And Krishna was there Saarthi on there path of spiritual uploftment. Do you think it would have looked good if he had like Shakuni rolled the Dice

No Krishna was above all that



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Posted: 19 September 2011 at 2:01am | IP Logged
When Krishna met Draupadi, he told her that had he not been fighting Shalva, he'd have prevented the game of dice from happening.  But much later in time, after the Kurukshetra war, when Rukmi challenged Balarama to several games of dice, knowing that he wasn't a skilled player and hoping to humiliate him @ it, Krishna did nothing but just sat & watched.  At the end, after Balarama killed Rukmi & battered his allies, Krishna didn't say anything either in support of or in opposition to Balarama, not wanting to upset either Balarama or Rukmini.

But Krishna was above gambling, but he was not above dice games.  He played them w/ his wives for entertainment.  Had he rolled a dice against Shakuni, it wouldn't have looked degrading: if anything, he'd have returned the humiliation to the Kauravas.  He could have made the terms that if the Kauravas lost, Bhima would have got to punish Duryodhan & Dushashan in a duel exactly as he had vowed.  But a lot less collateral damage.

Back to commenting on the game itself - as Shivang observed, the game looks like Ludo, but I've always seen only 2 people/teams play it, never 3 or 4.  So would it have been like any player could pick either 1 or 2 diametrically opposite corners, while the other had to pick either the opposite corner or remaining 2 colors?

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Posted: 19 September 2011 at 8:47am | IP Logged
Playing for entertainment is different from playing for gambling 
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Posted: 19 September 2011 at 12:13pm | IP Logged
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Had Krishna rolled the dice on behalf of Pandavas then I think it would neither have been for entertainment exactly nor for gambling. It would have been for dharma. And Krishna is beyond everything and yet he can do anything with his multidimensional unbounded personality. He can also be strategic, political, smart & shrewd like Shakuni but for dharma & for his devotees. I think even his gambling and rolling of dice also would have looked beautiful in that case had he actually done it just like his any other play/leela we enjoy. Madhuraadhipaterakhilam madhuram.

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In the rules in post of Mina, in that link, the exact answer of your question is specifically written. The game is played by 4 players with 2 each on oppossite sides becoming partners of each other like the game of bridge. And as a variation of the game, if there are only 2 players, both will operate 2 opposite houses each and will run 2 coloured pieces on opposite sides. So each will get alternate turn but in one turn if I operate say red colour piece, then in my next turn I will move that colour piece which has its starting home on the oppossite corner of red.


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I agree w/ Shivang re: what might have happened had Krishna rolled the dice for the Pandavas.  It would have been a tit-for-tat to Shakuni, it would have undone the gains of the Kauravas, and even the punishment part of the vows of Bhima could have been retained as a part of the deal if the Pandavas won.  Also, when Balarama played Rukmi, the goal on the end of Rukmi & his allies was to humiliate Balarama, but Krishna didn't prevent that game, and let it proceed to its logical end - Balarama slaying Rukmi and battering his allies.

If the game allowed 4 players, another thing Krishna could have done would have been to be the partner of the Pandavas and let the Kauravas play the remaining 2 colors.  Then Krishna wouldn't have been throwing for the Pandavas, but would have been a fully legitimate player in his own right, and could have played both his own pieces, as well as that of the Pandavas.

Speaking of which, in all the games of dice I've read about, I've never read about >2 players.  Does anyone know of such an instance where 2 or more people participated in such a contest?

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Actually playing this game (which is very close to Ludo) gives a very good idea of skill (and also type of skill and timing of it) vs chance proportion in the game and level of control one can have over victory through practice and kind of frustration it can create if luck doesn't favour you.


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In today's episode of DBSK, they showed both Krishna & Shakuni playing w/ dice, and it was fascinating to watch.  It was like those remote chess matches, where 2 chess players in 2 different locations around the world are playing, and getting a note of each other's moves.  Shakuni had dice in his hand, as did Krishna.  Shakuni cast his dice hoping for a 2, but getting an 8 LOL while Krishna cast his - he was playing in the garden w/ Satyabhama, and got exactly the number he wanted.  LOL  In the meantime, Shakuni was puzzled that he didn't get the number he wanted LOL  But the fascinating thing about DBSK is how the political manouvres b/w Krishna & Shakuni is being represented by dice Cool

Krishna & Satyabhama playing reminded me of the ACK 'Krishna & the False Vasudeva', where Krishna killed Paundrak.  In it, Krishna is shown playing dice w/ Rukmini when the fire rakshashi (another agnisuri?) came and threatened Dwarka, and he cooly sent his Sudarshan chakra after it to chase it back to Kashi & destroy everything there, while he continued playing w/ Rukmini uninterrupted. LOL

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