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Great discussions going onSo as per the Hari Vamsa, who kills Narkasur? Is it Krishna or Satyabhama then?
The word sudarshan chakra (??????? ????) is derived from two words, su (??) and darshan (?????). It means the vision (darshan) of which is auspicious (su). The word chakra is derived from chruhu (??:)which means movement and kruhu(??:) which means to do. Thus chakra means that which is mobile. Of all weapons this is the only one which is constantly in motion.
There are various schools of thought regarding its creation as given below.
1. It was created by the combined energy of Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh.
2. This was given by Bruhaspati, the Guru of the deities to Vishnu.
3. Krushna procured it from the deities (devatamandal).
4. Krushna and Arjun assisted the fire deity (Agni) in burning the Khandav forest. In return He presented Krushna with a discus and a koumodaki mace.
5. Female deities like Narayani, Vaishnodevi, etc. also wield discuses in Their hands
1. Krushna usually holds the discus on His little finger while Vishnu on His index finger. However when aiming it at something Krushna too would do so with His index finger.
2. After its release the enemy is annihilated and it returns to the attacker.
3. Even after releasing it, it remains within the control of the attacker.
4. It travels along the path of zero stress nature and can reach anywhere within a moment. Refer 'Science of Spirituality : Vol. 7 - Supreme God, God, Incarnations and Deities, point - Destiny and The Supreme Soul'.
5. When an obstruction is posed by the enemy the speed of the discus is augmented. This is called the rhansaspeed.
6. It is soundless.
Information with regard to its composition is as given below.
1. 'It is said that it has six spokes and its centre is composed of vajra. It is believed that the words "Sahasrat hum phat (????????? ??? ????)" are inscribed on each of the spokes.
2. A novel description of the discus has been made in the Vaman Puran (82.23-26). Mr. Vasudevsharan Agraval expresses it as: The discus has been described as the discus of time (kalachakra). It consists of twelve spokes (Dvadashar, Rugveda 1.164.11) and six navels. The twelve spokes represent the twelve months of the Hindu lunar calender and also the twelve deities (Vij, Agni, Som, Mitra, Varun, Indra, Indragni, Vayu, Vishvedev, Prajapati, Dhanvantari, etc.). The six navels represent the six seasons.'
3. Parts of the discus and the implied meaning
The middle stable part:
It is named bhruvi (equality), bhag (radiance), nirdesh (speed) and sampada(endowed with the nectar of nutrition).
The spokes: It has twenty-seven spokes charged with the run energy of the twenty-seven feminine principles created from Prajapati. These spokes contain the yoginipanchak, that is the basic components of the five cosmic elements. The energy in all feminine principles is beyond the restrictions of direction and time.
Yogini: '???? ????? ???' means the one who bestows the energy which is unattainable.
Lakshmi: The one who bestows one with the achievement of the target (lakshyam) or the absolute truth.
Narayani: All pervading
Murdhini: Murdha is the linear part included in the longitudinal section between the centre of the eyebrows and the vertebral column. It is referred to as the line of the head (mastakresha). Murdhini refers to the frequencies which intersect the head directly. These frequencies are present inrudrakshas too. Murdhini or Murdhivahini refers to that which flows through the murdha.
Randhra: The speed or energy which transforms into the subtlemost.
- Parigh: This is constituted by the following eight masculine principles.
Aditya: '???: ??:' means the radiance which first came into existence and is still persisting.
Varuni: Varun is the deity of water. Varun exercises control over the dikbhavs, that is those created from the directions. The dikbhavs are the main centres of the directions. Hence no matter in which direction the discus travels, it is never obstructed.
Juhu: The subtlemost speed which is enriched with the radiance (jyoti) derived from the lunar asterisms.
Indra: Frequencies displaying greatness.
Narayan: The one endowed with the energy of movement of the Navanarayans, the nine serpents [from the universal spiritual energy flow system (kundalini)]
Navadha: The Navanarayan, navanag and navavidh concept combined together mean navadha.
Gandhi: Those who can travel on the earth.
Mahish: The Blissful principle in Mahesh.
- Size of the discus: It is so tiny that it can be kept on the tip of a leaf of the tulsi plant and at the same time is so vast that it can encompass the entire universe.
1. When Lord Krushna lifted the Govardhan mountain for support He held the discus below it.
2. Krushna used it to slay Shishupal.
3. It was used to create an artificial sunset so that Jayadrath could be annihilated. However it was not used by Krushna in the Bharatiya war or in any other battle to slay anyone.
4. When Arjun said that Maruti would not be able to break the bridge of arrows created by him, although Maruti jumped on it, it did not break. This was because to help His friend Arjun, Krushna had supported the bridge placing His discus below it.
5. When Lord Vishnu was enraged with Sage Durvas for having needlessly cursed His beloved devotee King Ambarish, He flung the discus onto Him. The petrified sage ran to the deities, but no one could rescue Him. Finally when He went to Lord Vishnu, The Lord asked Him to beg the king for forgiveness. When the sage complied Vishnu withdrew His discus.
6. It is quoted in a holy text of the Nath sect that once Gorakshanath had stopped the discus.
'The idol sporting the discus is fearsome. It has sixteen arms adorned with a conch, a discus, a bow, an axe, a sword, an arrow, a pike, a noose, a goad, fire, a horn of a rhinoceros, a shield, a plough, a pestle, a mace and a spear as weapons. In some places it is customary to consider an idol sporting a discus as that of Lord Vishnu's.'
Reference: 'Vishnu and His forms', Published by Sanatan Sanstha
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This is the story of how Vishnu's Sudarshana Chakra came into existence. The asuras, or demons, were extremely bad. They always tortured the cosmic gods. At one time, the cosmic gods were suffering so much from the attacks of the demons that they went to see Lord Vishnu. They wanted to seek his help in defeating the demons.
Vishnu said to them, "I do not have enough power to defeat or destroy the demons. I must seek help from Shiva. I will ask him to give me a special weapon that will help me defeat the demons."
When Vishnu went to Shiva, he found Lord Shiva in trance. Vishnu did not want to disturb Shiva's meditation, so he started praying and praying to Shiva with the hope that one day he would come out of his trance.
Every day, for years and years, Vishnu prayed to Shiva, meditated on Shiva and chanted Shiva's name very devotedly. He offered one thousand lotus blossoms to Shiva every day. Each time he offered Shiva a lotus blossom, he would chant Shiva's name.
This went on for such a long time and still Shiva remained rapt in trance. Poor Vishnu was helpless! The gods were being mercilessly tortured by the demons and he was unable to save them.
Finally, after many long years, Shiva came out of his trance. Vishnu's joy knew no bounds. He ran to gather one thousand lotus blossoms so that he could worship Lord Shiva and ask for a special boon.
Shiva had already decided that he would grant Vishnu the boon, but first he wanted to play a trick on Vishnu. He secretly went to the spot where Vishnu had placed the lotus flowers and stole one flower. Now there were only 999 flowers.
After making all his preparations, Vishnu began to worship Shiva most devotedly. One by one, he offered the lotus flowers and chanted Shiva's name. When he came to the end, he realised that one flower was missing. He had only counted 999. That meant he had to go and find one more lotus. Instead of doing that, he immediately plucked out one of his eyes and placed it before Shiva.
When Shiva saw that Vishnu had such devotion for him, he said, "I will grant you anything that you ask for."
"Please give me something that will help me to conquer the asuras," said Vishnu.
Shiva replied, "I give you this round disc. It will help you to conquer all your enemies. No matter how many demons come to attack you and the other gods, you will be able to defeat them all with this disc."
The name of the disc was the Sudarshana Chakra. When Lord Krishna took incarnation, Vishnu gave him this chakra, because Krishna was the embodiment of Vishnu. Krishna could immediately use the chakra at any time; it was his own property.very, very fast after leaving the finger and chases the enemy. The chakra itself is round and has something like the points of arrows all around its edge. It has tremendous occult and spiritual power to destroy everything. Nobody can stand against the Sudarshana Chakra.
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