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Posted: 30 August 2011 at 12:13am | IP Logged
 As far as I know, the Bhagavatham and other texts merely state that Satyabhama accompanied Krishna in his battle against Narakasura.

It is only in Hari Vamsa- another Vyasa Creation- that we find a detailed description of Satyabhama actually battling Narakasura.

The battle is at its height and both warriors are discharging countless arrows at one another. During the course of the battle, Garuda is also injured. The Bird also begins to attack Naraka who pummels it with his fist. Naraka then discharges a sharp arrow aimed at Krishna's forehead. Due to its impact, Krishna sits down in a swoon, his head reeling. Satyabhama fans him and brings him to consiousness. Krishna, then hands over his bow, Sharanga, to her and asks her to continue the fight. Satyabhama receives  it with reverence and after touching the bow to her forehead, begins to fight. She broke his flag, his chariot, and injured his horses. Naraka too tormented her by piercing her body with sharp arrows. Naraka aimed a mace and other weapons at her which she easily broke into two with her arrows.

She then killed Naraka's charioteer, by severing his head. At this Krishna became greatly delighted and after gently wiping of the persipartion from her face, rewarded her with a priceless necklace (which he did not give to even Rukmini) . The necklace had been obtained by Vamana from Bali. Many times in the past Satyabhama had requested for the same, but Krishna had not obliged. Now he tied the necklace on her neck with his own hands. 

Refreshed and rested Krishna took the bow from Bhama's hand and continued the fight 


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In today's battle, Satyabhama bravely held her own b4 Mura b4 her sword was knocked off.  Later, Mura assumed the form of 5 Muras, and 2 of them fought her and played maya tricks on her, constantly disappearing.  During all this time, Satyabhama was turning towards each of the Muras w/ her bow.
Just wondering - where did she get her bow from?  And if she had one, couldn't she and Krishna have fired arrows at the sea of arrows that confronted them earlier, instead of fending them off w/ their swords?

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Posted: 04 September 2011 at 10:34am | IP Logged

Great discussions going onThumbs Up 

So as per the Hari Vamsa, who kills Narkasur? Is it Krishna or Satyabhama then?Confused

Anyway, here's an interesting article regarding the Sudarshan Chakra which I had read on the net...

How did Lord Krushna acquire Sudarshan Chakra?

1. Origin and meaning

The word sudarshan chakra (??????? ????) is derived from two words, su (??) and darshan (?????). It means the vision (darshan) of which is auspicious (su). The word chakra is derived from chruhu (??:)which means movement and kruhu(??:) which means to do. Thus chakra means that which is mobile. Of all weapons this is the only one which is constantly in motion.

2. Creation and history

There are various schools of thought regarding its creation as given below.

1. It was created by the combined energy of Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh.

2. This was given by Bruhaspati, the Guru of the deities to Vishnu.

3. Krushna procured it from the deities (devatamandal).

4. Krushna and Arjun assisted the fire deity (Agni) in burning the Khandav forest. In return He presented Krushna with a discus and a koumodaki mace.

5. Female deities like Narayani, Vaishnodevi, etc. also wield discuses in Their hands

3. Special features

1. Krushna usually holds the discus on His little finger while Vishnu on His index finger. However when aiming it at something Krushna too would do so with His index finger.

2. After its release the enemy is annihilated and it returns to the attacker.

3. Even after releasing it, it remains within the control of the attacker.

4. It travels along the path of zero stress nature and can reach anywhere within a moment. Refer 'Science of Spirituality : Vol. 7 - Supreme God, God, Incarnations and Deities, point - Destiny and The Supreme Soul'.

5. When an obstruction is posed by the enemy the speed of the discus is augmented. This is called the rhansaspeed.

6. It is soundless.

4. Composition

Information with regard to its composition is as given below.

1. 'It is said that it has six spokes and its centre is composed of vajra. It is believed that the words "Sahasrat hum phat (????????? ??? ????)" are inscribed on each of the spokes.

2. A novel description of the discus has been made in the Vaman Puran (82.23-26). Mr. Vasudevsharan Agraval expresses it as: The discus has been described as the discus of time (kalachakra). It consists of twelve spokes (Dvadashar, Rugveda 1.164.11) and six navels. The twelve spokes represent the twelve months of the Hindu lunar calender and also the twelve deities (Vij, Agni, Som, Mitra, Varun, Indra, Indragni, Vayu, Vishvedev, Prajapati, Dhanvantari, etc.). The six navels represent the six seasons.'

3. Parts of the discus and the implied meaning

  • The middle stable part: 

    It is named bhruvi (equality), bhag (radiance), nirdesh (speed) and sampada(endowed with the nectar of nutrition).

  • The spokes: It has twenty-seven spokes charged with the run energy of the twenty-seven feminine principles created from Prajapati. These spokes contain the yoginipanchak, that is the basic components of the five cosmic elements. The energy in all feminine principles is beyond the restrictions of direction and time.

    • Yogini: '???? ????? ???' means the one who bestows the energy which is unattainable.

    • Lakshmi: The one who bestows one with the achievement of the target (lakshyam) or the absolute truth.

    • Narayani: All pervading

    • Murdhini: Murdha is the linear part included in the longitudinal section between the centre of the eyebrows and the vertebral column. It is referred to as the line of the head (mastakresha). Murdhini refers to the frequencies which intersect the head directly. These frequencies are present inrudrakshas too. Murdhini or Murdhivahini refers to that which flows through the murdha.

    • Randhra: The speed or energy which transforms into the subtlemost.

  • Parigh: This is constituted by the following eight masculine principles.
    • Aditya: '???: ??:' means the radiance which first came into existence and is still persisting.

    • Varuni: Varun is the deity of water. Varun exercises control over the dikbhavs, that is those created from the directions. The dikbhavs are the main centres of the directions. Hence no matter in which direction the discus travels, it is never obstructed.

    • Juhu: The subtlemost speed which is enriched with the radiance (jyoti) derived from the lunar asterisms.

    • Indra: Frequencies displaying greatness.

    • Narayan: The one endowed with the energy of movement of the Navanarayans, the nine serpents [from the universal spiritual energy flow system (kundalini)]

    • Navadha: The Navanarayan, navanag and navavidh concept combined together mean navadha.

    • Gandhi: Those who can travel on the earth.

    • Mahish: The Blissful principle in Mahesh.

  • Size of the discus: It is so tiny that it can be kept on the tip of a leaf of the tulsi plant and at the same time is so vast that it can encompass the entire universe.

5. Illustrations of its use

1. When Lord Krushna lifted the Govardhan mountain for support He held the discus below it.

2. Krushna used it to slay Shishupal.

3. It was used to create an artificial sunset so that Jayadrath could be annihilated. However it was not used by Krushna in the Bharatiya war or in any other battle to slay anyone.

4. When Arjun said that Maruti would not be able to break the bridge of arrows created by him, although Maruti jumped on it, it did not break. This was because to help His friend Arjun, Krushna had supported the bridge placing His discus below it.

5. When Lord Vishnu was enraged with Sage Durvas for having needlessly cursed His beloved devotee King Ambarish, He flung the discus onto Him. The petrified sage ran to the deities, but no one could rescue Him. Finally when He went to Lord Vishnu, The Lord asked Him to beg the king for forgiveness. When the sage complied Vishnu withdrew His discus.

6. It is quoted in a holy text of the Nath sect that once Gorakshanath had stopped the discus.

6. Science behind the idol

'The idol sporting the discus is fearsome. It has sixteen arms adorned with a conch, a discus, a bow, an axe, a sword, an arrow, a pike, a noose, a goad, fire, a horn of a rhinoceros, a shield, a plough, a pestle, a mace and a spear as weapons. In some places it is customary to consider an idol sporting a discus as that of Lord Vishnu's.'

Reference: 'Vishnu and His forms', Published by Sanatan Sanstha

source: http://www.hindujagruti.org/hinduism/knowledge/article/how-did-lord-krushna-acquire-sudarshan-chakra.html

Edited by vik rocks - 04 September 2011 at 10:35am

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Posted: 04 September 2011 at 11:20pm | IP Logged
Vik Rocks,

A detailed post indeed. Very Good

As per Hari Vamsa, it is indeed Krishna who kills Narakasur. Satyabhama assists him int he battle and kills his charioteer. 

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The Origin Of Vishnu's Sudarshana Chakra

This is the story of how Vishnu's Sudarshana Chakra came into existence. The asuras, or demons, were extremely bad. They always tortured the cosmic gods. At one time, the cosmic gods were suffering so much from the attacks of the demons that they went to see Lord Vishnu. They wanted to seek his help in defeating the demons.

Vishnu said to them, "I do not have enough power to defeat or destroy the demons. I must seek help from Shiva. I will ask him to give me a special weapon that will help me defeat the demons."

When Vishnu went to Shiva, he found Lord Shiva in trance. Vishnu did not want to disturb Shiva's meditation, so he started praying and praying to Shiva with the hope that one day he would come out of his trance.

Every day, for years and years, Vishnu prayed to Shiva, meditated on Shiva and chanted Shiva's name very devotedly. He offered one thousand lotus blossoms to Shiva every day. Each time he offered Shiva a lotus blossom, he would chant Shiva's name.

This went on for such a long time and still Shiva remained rapt in trance. Poor Vishnu was helpless! The gods were being mercilessly tortured by the demons and he was unable to save them.

Finally, after many long years, Shiva came out of his trance. Vishnu's joy knew no bounds. He ran to gather one thousand lotus blossoms so that he could worship Lord Shiva and ask for a special boon.

Shiva had already decided that he would grant Vishnu the boon, but first he wanted to play a trick on Vishnu. He secretly went to the spot where Vishnu had placed the lotus flowers and stole one flower. Now there were only 999 flowers.

After making all his preparations, Vishnu began to worship Shiva most devotedly. One by one, he offered the lotus flowers and chanted Shiva's name. When he came to the end, he realised that one flower was missing. He had only counted 999. That meant he had to go and find one more lotus. Instead of doing that, he immediately plucked out one of his eyes and placed it before Shiva.

When Shiva saw that Vishnu had such devotion for him, he said, "I will grant you anything that you ask for."

"Please give me something that will help me to conquer the asuras," said Vishnu.

Shiva replied, "I give you this round disc. It will help you to conquer all your enemies. No matter how many demons come to attack you and the other gods, you will be able to defeat them all with this disc."

The name of the disc was the Sudarshana Chakra. When Lord Krishna took incarnation, Vishnu gave him this chakra, because Krishna was the embodiment of Vishnu. Krishna could immediately use the chakra at any time; it was his own property.very, very fast after leaving the finger and chases the enemy. The chakra itself is round and has something like the points of arrows all around its edge. It has tremendous occult and spiritual power to destroy everything. Nobody can stand against the Sudarshana Chakra.

 Sri Chaitanyaalso used the Sudarshana Chakra a few times. He was able to invoke it and it would come to him. When he wanted to kill Jagai and Madhai, for example, he invoked it. These two ruffians saw it coming from Heaven and became extremely frightened. Before it reached them, they surrendered to Sri Chaitanya. 

The Sudarshana Chakra is not thrown. With will-power it is sent against the enemy. It rotates very, very fast after leaving the finger and chases the enemy. The chakra itself is round and has something like the points of arrows all around its edge. It has tremendous occult and spiritual power to destroy everything. Nobody can stand against the Sudarshana Chakra.

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Posted: 05 September 2011 at 4:25am | IP Logged
This story is very similar to the one in Krittivas Ramayan about Rama worshiping Durga, except that Durga appeared before Rama plucked out his eye.  I'm guessing that Shiva gave Vishnu his eye back

Incidentally, which book is this from?
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In last night's episode, after Krishna split the ground beneath him w/ his arrow,  Naraka started walking towards Krishna, which was a pretty surprising thing.  If he wanted to assault Krishna, he'd have needed something like a gada or maybe even his sickle LOL, but instead, he just walked towards Krishna w/ his bow.  Didn't get it @ all.

When Satyabhama arrived, I was surprised that Naraka was so shell shocked that he didn't even try to resist when they fired their arrow @ him.  I'm happy that they were both involved in killing him.  But one thing - I can understand both of them holding the bow, but both of them pulling the bowstring?  It would have been better had Krishna pulled the bowstring and Satyabhama just held the arrow in position.

The flying head of Narakasura was really cool Cool - the way it flew past Bhudevi and landed @ the feet of those women. Incidentally, Krishna once killed another ruler - an ally of Paundra Vasudeva - exactly this way.  He fired an arrow that severed that king's head, and took it all the way to his kingdom, and dropped it outside his capital.  His son discovered it, and did an yagna where he invoked an agniasuri type demoness who he sent to Dwarka.  Krishna was busy playing a dice game w/ Rukmini, so he just sent his Sudarshan chakra to chase her out.  It pursued her all the way home, and she started burning everything in sight, including the new king who sent her on this mission.  Finally, the chakra destroyed her as well, and then returned to Dwarka.

If they showed this story in the serial, it'd be just awesome - Krishna just sitting playing a ludo-like game w/ Rukmini, while the Sudarshan does all the work LOLCool

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