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Now about pots and pails.

Pots-- in the Indian culture the pot in the shape of a pitcher of metal is knowen as Kalash. It can be made of brass, bronze, silver or gold. It denotes all the things that I mention. If it is filled with honey- Love or any other sweets is love.
When it is filled with water- life and male desier as the bas of most of the lequids is water.

Milk is as you say female wish , work effort desier and it satisfy the pallet as well as hunger ROFL

When it is empty it is lacking and when it is filled then you have that. Like filled with coins wealth and so on.

The thing is you gather things in a pitcher or kalash and it is safe there. You take things from one place to other in it . Transition. In life, generation ,temprament so on.

I hope I make some sense. Since being pregg is also a trasition..hahahaha

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ROFL Lot of water has flown under the bridge since I last visited this thread.
 Loved the analysis Ag & Az. Keep going.

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Intrestingly the pitcher of bad deeds is made of clay so that it breaks and you get all you have gathered there at your head or feet.

The Kalash is also the symbol of MAYA the illusion god. So it is to be taken with care. It can still be illusive and infront of you.

We see that in Gunjhun relationship. They have love. they are living togather and still happiness is an illusion for them. The more they strive for it, it moves further away from them. They are caught in the net of MAYA.

Remmeber when Guddu brought the pink saree he said to Runjhun that she at last caught him in her MAYAJAL, I found those words very subtel to the situation. I also wondered why did they used those words?? I mean Love is not refferd to as MAYAJAL? I woild have preffered that he said I got caught in your MOH (( Liking) insted he used the word MAYAJAL. But now I understand it better.
As I have said before that the CVs use of every word and every little oddity has a meaning.


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Originally posted by Aginaya69

Originally posted by azuria

Originally posted by Aginaya69

i'm pretty sure i'm not going to give away anything if i say that in today's episode i see a lot of pails and pots.  oh, and there is a big drum of water now. 

didn't i say that there will be lots of pots and pails from now on.  hello CV's Wink


Now Aginaya you have to explain yhourself. If you are talking about preggs then come with it if it is money come with it or happiness tell us do not keep us in suspance!!! Pleease:)


LOL Az, you know i like being cryptic.  anyways, hopefully, i'm right in my hunches.  let me begin with a premise.

i've been analyzing how the CV's are developing the story, and from the start of the show until now, i noticed that they are actually very clear about when a particular track starts and ends.  i'm not talking about the small story tracks, but the main tracks.

from the looks of it, every main track takes about 3 1/2 months to run.  you know from the first few episodes what the story is going to be about.  until today, i would say that we are in the third main track.  the first track i would probably entitle as "the wedding", since it  has something to do with getting runjhun married.  if i remember correctly, there were three men lined up, and then guddu marries her (he wasn't part of the line-up).  the second track i would entitle as "the challenge" (or how to get guddu to stay in the marriage).  we see runjhun making such a challenge a few days after the wedding.  the first main track ended around mid march, which was the wedding.  the second track began immediately after the wedding, and ended mid june.  the third track started about july, and there was an interim from mid-june to end of june because the show was not sure if it would keep running.

what is the third story track?  at first, i thought it was consummating the marriage, but then that's going to sound too western.  if the show were produced in places like in the US, then yeah you might have a story track running for three months trying to do the deed.  the presence of too much water symbols, like rain, and then the faucets with running water, made me think freud at first.  but  then in the episode when guddu first romanced runjhun (the one which was ruined by the mamis), i saw a lot of pails, and pots.  i remember my literature professor telling me once about the womb symbol, and they are represented by anything that is deep.  so, i did some research about the womb symbol, and i came upon the article that i linked here.  so, putting two and two (or, in this particular show, three and three)  together, this is what i think.

the third track is about pregnancy.  it's going to be about guddu and runjhun's baby.  looking back, i realize now that when guddu and runjhun moved to their new place, there were a lot of children who greeted them.  now, as i think about it, there was not many children in and around PN.  but in the new place, you have lots of them.  also, everytime someone was going to comment about how close and how in love guddu and runjhun were, that adult person always had a kid in tow.  and leela, for the most part, brought a kid with her.  was it not that leela interrupted guddu and runjhun's romance because she needed to bring her (grand?)kid for immunization?  and remember that when guddu went to the market after they moved, the store keeper said something about saving money for the baby.

then, there was a difference between the two scenes when guddu and runjhun were very intimate.  in the rain scene, it was guddu who initiated.  there was heavy rains.  according to the link (the writer is a sociologist, so i trust the source), rain represents male sexual desires.  the other scene, which runjhun initiated, the scene had a lot of pots, and pails.  pots and pails are deep, and they are womb symbols.  then, the day after, what we see is runjhun over the range, and she wasn't attending to the boiling milk.  the milk spilled over.  according to the article, milk, although liquid, pertains to the female sexual desires.  and so does water in pails.  the faucet was very freudian to me, though, and that pertains to male sexual desires.  

the precap from the august 9 episode showed runjhun saying something about a surprise.  and, while following the FB public fanpages of himmanshoo and nivedita, we see a picture of runjhun in pink sari, and there were garlands and the red curtain and the whole thing looked like an SR.  if that was runjhun's surprise, then that means she is initiating.  that's why i said that if i read the CV's correctly, there will be lots of pots and pails and pans in the next few episodes. 

and what did we see.  the SR was interrupted, but it does not mean that runjhun's sexual desires were extinguished.  the milkman came.  so we have milk.  then, guddu brought the pot.  pot.  then, leela came and said the water is going to come only once during the day, so runjhun had to put water in containers.  what do we see?  a few pails, and lo and behold, a big drum of water.  the drum is the biggest container there.  womb symbols were in the end part of the episode. 

so, to make a long story short, i think that we will have the ultimate "touch", but that is not the end in itself.  it is a necessary action towards the most important factor, the baby.

PS: about the possible meaning being money... i had to laugh.  you see, as a filipino, i follow many superstitions, but i don't know the origins.  it could be chinese, hindu, or spanish/latin/south american.  for some time, i've been following this because someone told me it ensures that you will have money.  i keep my money in a plastic chamber pot.  i saw some store owners doing it, so i figured it must be superstition.  at first, i thought it was chinese, so i bought a red plastic chamber pot.  now that you brought it up, could it be that it is not chinese, but hindu in origin? 


Ag,
Brilliant!
Reading your post got me thinking, whether there could be a connection with the female & male symbols that are presented to the way they attribute gender in Hindi language. My Hindi is pretty basic, but I know objects are classified into male & female genders and the verbs take respective forms (that's where I fumbleLOL).

I request the Hindi experts in the forum to throw some light on this. I've highlighted the words in bold& in red to make it easy.
Thanks.



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Simran I am sorry I cannot write about the language that you suggested but someone may!!

I was thinking of the current episodes and then thinking.

The falling of suitecases- symbol of travlling? Guddu got hurt- by it or due to it. Then it means Runjhun leaving!!

Then we see them in the kitchen and the stove caught fire-- I was thinking that the situation will be dangerous and Guddu will protect Runjhun since his body was covering hers from the flames. Runjhun removed the obstacel the other pressure cocker and Guddu extinguished the fire.

I was thinking in the manner of a trial by fire !!!! sounds femiliar I was also taking in account the picture of Runjhuns Engagement with Abhi which has come up.

So in some manner the episodes will deal with Abhi situation and Guddu as a human and a loving husband at the same time his morals and belifes coming in the fore to protect Runjhun.

It seems that Guddu unlike Abhi will not permit any trial by fire if situation demands or the society demands but will protect Runjhun is such a situation.

Just a hunch. The CVs give all the hints before and even then we get surprise in the actual situations. Well done CVs.

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Originally posted by azuria

Simran I am sorry I cannot write about the language that you suggested but someone may!!

I was thinking of the current episodes and then thinking.

The falling of suitecases- symbol of travlling? Guddu got hurt- by it or due to it. Then it means Runjhun leaving!!

Then we see them in the kitchen and the stove caught fire-- I was thinking that the situation will be dangerous and Guddu will protect Runjhun since his body was covering hers from the flames. Runjhun removed the obstacel the other pressure cocker and Guddu extinguished the fire.

I was thinking in the manner of a trial by fire !!!! sounds femiliar I was also taking in account the picture of Runjhuns Engagement with Abhi which has come up.

So in some manner the episodes will deal with Abhi situation and Guddu as a human and a loving husband at the same time his morals and belifes coming in the fore to protect Runjhun.

It seems that Guddu unlike Abhi will not permit any trial by fire if situation demands or the society demands but will protect Runjhun is such a situation.

Just a hunch. The CVs give all the hints before and even then we get surprise in the actual situations. Well done CVs.

No worries Az, I'll pester my friend/hindi teacher who puts up with my gender benders, and share it here.
@bold- suitcase-travel, a heavy suitcase?, I'm going by the womb symbol and wonder whether it means RJ would leave while preggs?

Good that you brought up the fire element,  we've discussed "water" a lot and I was wondering about fire, what it could mean in general, as well as the relationship the characters have with that element.Jp's post on water & Guddu & Rj's relationship with water was fantastic.

The fire in the kitchen-just when I thought the Cvs have exhausted all the bad omens known to an average indian, they set the stove on fire! Clap

I thought,something "explosive",dangerous and Guddu shielding RJ and doing the fire fighting as well, could be on cards.
IMO,from the earlier scenes where I saw G& R with fire; both seem to be in control of it.E.g,RJ tending the wood fire making perfume/ Guddu feeding the fire, when he was pondering over past & Mother with Kukkan &Jhabhu. Also, the scenes where Rj throws her wedding stuff & Guddu setting his kurtas on fire,both were like cleansing rituals and acted as catalysts to bring them closer,after lot of tears & pain ofcourseCry

I also was thinking of Baba and fire, he is proficient in pyrotechnics and has far superior control over fire than our mere mortal leads.

And he seems at home with water too, especially the river, he is waist deep in water when he finds RJ's kundali and strangely, Guddu is shown on the banks of the river, either staring at it/ throwing stuff into it. River, a flowing one , I guess could mean life? Don't know what to make of it, except that Baba had a long life (could he be a former Gunda too, like G was?) and G hasn't started his life yet or hasn't taken a plunge.

Glimpsing thr' Agin's links & few other stuff, I gather fire could symbolize;
 anger -Guddu & Baba both have loads of it & lose control over it fast, RJ bottles it a lot & then has a blast
desire- Guddu & RJ have for each other, Baba???
passion for life-G has lots,RJ is warming upto it & Baba ideally should be dispassionate, but is he?

Found this article on wax reading interesting, some mention about interpreting images, more occult than academicLOL
http://expressbuzz.com/lifestyle/the-wax-that-tells-the-future/303602.html






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Originally posted by simran_singh_24

Originally posted by azuria

Simran I am sorry I cannot write about the language that you suggested but someone may!!

I was thinking of the current episodes and then thinking.

The falling of suitecases- symbol of travlling? Guddu got hurt- by it or due to it. Then it means Runjhun leaving!!

Then we see them in the kitchen and the stove caught fire-- I was thinking that the situation will be dangerous and Guddu will protect Runjhun since his body was covering hers from the flames. Runjhun removed the obstacel the other pressure cocker and Guddu extinguished the fire.

I was thinking in the manner of a trial by fire !!!! sounds femiliar I was also taking in account the picture of Runjhuns Engagement with Abhi which has come up.

So in some manner the episodes will deal with Abhi situation and Guddu as a human and a loving husband at the same time his morals and belifes coming in the fore to protect Runjhun.

It seems that Guddu unlike Abhi will not permit any trial by fire if situation demands or the society demands but will protect Runjhun is such a situation.

Just a hunch. The CVs give all the hints before and even then we get surprise in the actual situations. Well done CVs.

No worries Az, I'll pester my friend/hindi teacher who puts up with my gender benders, and share it here.
@bold- suitcase-travel, a heavy suitcase?, I'm going by the womb symbol and wonder whether it means RJ would leave while preggs?

Good that you brought up the fire element,  we've discussed "water" a lot and I was wondering about fire, what it could mean in general, as well as the relationship the characters have with that element.Jp's post on water & Guddu & Rj's relationship with water was fantastic.

The fire in the kitchen-just when I thought the Cvs have exhausted all the bad omens known to an average indian, they set the stove on fire! Clap

I thought,something "explosive",dangerous and Guddu shielding RJ and doing the fire fighting as well, could be on cards.
IMO,from the earlier scenes where I saw G& R with fire; both seem to be in control of it.E.g,RJ tending the wood fire making perfume/ Guddu feeding the fire, when he was pondering over past & Mother with Kukkan &Jhabhu. Also, the scenes where Rj throws her wedding stuff & Guddu setting his kurtas on fire,both were like cleansing rituals and acted as catalysts to bring them closer,after lot of tears & pain ofcourseCry

I also was thinking of Baba and fire, he is proficient in pyrotechnics and has far superior control over fire than our mere mortal leads.

And he seems at home with water too, especially the river, he is waist deep in water when he finds RJ's kundali and strangely, Guddu is shown on the banks of the river, either staring at it/ throwing stuff into it. River, a flowing one , I guess could mean life? Don't know what to make of it, except that Baba had a long life (could he be a former Gunda too, like G was?) and G hasn't started his life yet or hasn't taken a plunge.


Glimpsing thr' Agin's links & few other stuff, I gather fire could symbolize;
 anger -Guddu & Baba both have loads of it & lose control over it fast, RJ bottles it a lot & then has a blast
desire- Guddu & RJ have for each other, Baba???
passion for life-G has lots,RJ is warming upto it & Baba ideally should be dispassionate, but is he?

Found this article on wax reading interesting, some mention about interpreting images, more occult than academicLOL
http://expressbuzz.com/lifestyle/the-wax-that-tells-the-future/303602.html






Simran I will talk about the part in Blue. Fire is both cleansing and passion. And the Aghori baba has full control over it. He can use it for both porposes when needed in his life and his nature.

That he is standing in the river is as you say his life and that he has half lived it? And Guddu on the banks is looking it flowing away? On the other hand we even talked about water being male desire thougt aghori baba has left the main stream he is still deep in the human desires. We see that when he says that he feels attracted to Runjhun, he says that he has given that can controll the maya. While Guddu has not come in the stream as yet. He is married but they have not started their journey of married life togather as husband and wife. That makes sense.

And Aghori baba wanting to marry Runjhun also makes sense if he is still in the trap of desires.

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Originally posted by azuria

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Originally posted by azuria

Simran I am sorry I cannot write about the language that you suggested but someone may!!

I was thinking of the current episodes and then thinking.

The falling of suitecases- symbol of travlling? Guddu got hurt- by it or due to it. Then it means Runjhun leaving!!

Then we see them in the kitchen and the stove caught fire-- I was thinking that the situation will be dangerous and Guddu will protect Runjhun since his body was covering hers from the flames. Runjhun removed the obstacel the other pressure cocker and Guddu extinguished the fire.

I was thinking in the manner of a trial by fire !!!! sounds femiliar I was also taking in account the picture of Runjhuns Engagement with Abhi which has come up.

So in some manner the episodes will deal with Abhi situation and Guddu as a human and a loving husband at the same time his morals and belifes coming in the fore to protect Runjhun.

It seems that Guddu unlike Abhi will not permit any trial by fire if situation demands or the society demands but will protect Runjhun is such a situation.

Just a hunch. The CVs give all the hints before and even then we get surprise in the actual situations. Well done CVs.

No worries Az, I'll pester my friend/hindi teacher who puts up with my gender benders, and share it here.
@bold- suitcase-travel, a heavy suitcase?, I'm going by the womb symbol and wonder whether it means RJ would leave while preggs?

Good that you brought up the fire element,  we've discussed "water" a lot and I was wondering about fire, what it could mean in general, as well as the relationship the characters have with that element.Jp's post on water & Guddu & Rj's relationship with water was fantastic.

The fire in the kitchen-just when I thought the Cvs have exhausted all the bad omens known to an average indian, they set the stove on fire! Clap

I thought,something "explosive",dangerous and Guddu shielding RJ and doing the fire fighting as well, could be on cards.
IMO,from the earlier scenes where I saw G& R with fire; both seem to be in control of it.E.g,RJ tending the wood fire making perfume/ Guddu feeding the fire, when he was pondering over past & Mother with Kukkan &Jhabhu. Also, the scenes where Rj throws her wedding stuff & Guddu setting his kurtas on fire,both were like cleansing rituals and acted as catalysts to bring them closer,after lot of tears & pain ofcourseCry

I also was thinking of Baba and fire, he is proficient in pyrotechnics and has far superior control over fire than our mere mortal leads.

And he seems at home with water too, especially the river, he is waist deep in water when he finds RJ's kundali and strangely, Guddu is shown on the banks of the river, either staring at it/ throwing stuff into it. River, a flowing one , I guess could mean life? Don't know what to make of it, except that Baba had a long life (could he be a former Gunda too, like G was?) and G hasn't started his life yet or hasn't taken a plunge.


Glimpsing thr' Agin's links & few other stuff, I gather fire could symbolize;
 anger -Guddu & Baba both have loads of it & lose control over it fast, RJ bottles it a lot & then has a blast
desire- Guddu & RJ have for each other, Baba???
passion for life-G has lots,RJ is warming upto it & Baba ideally should be dispassionate, but is he?

Found this article on wax reading interesting, some mention about interpreting images, more occult than academicLOL
http://expressbuzz.com/lifestyle/the-wax-that-tells-the-future/303602.html






Simran I will talk about the part in Blue. Fire is both cleansing and passion. And the Aghori baba has full control over it. He can use it for both porposes when needed in his life and his nature.

That he is standing in the river is as you say his life and that he has half lived it? And Guddu on the banks is looking it flowing away? On the other hand we even talked about water being male desire thougt aghori baba has left the main stream he is still deep in the human desires. We see that when he says that he feels attracted to Runjhun, he says that he has given that can controll the maya. While Guddu has not come in the stream as yet. He is married but they have not started their journey of married life togather as husband and wife. That makes sense.

And Aghori baba wanting to marry Runjhun also makes sense if he is still in the trap of desires.


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Fire is both cleansing and passion. And the Aghori baba has full control over it. He can use it for both porposes when needed in his life and his nature.

 You are right, fire signifies cleansing & passion, I remember somebody telling that of all the five elements, what the Hindus call "panch bhutas" fire is the most sacred, as it can consume dirt without getting contaminated by it, whereas water & air get polluted when dirtied.
If Amma/Guddu has thrown the kundali into fire, there won't be much to build around the central concept.

@bold
After reading your post, I also find it interesting that Baba was shown in the flowing river, in water and not somewhere performing "haven", along with fire.
 I also remember a boat in the first scene before he gets the kundali.May be he is halfway thr' his journey, could be spiritual/worldy, the boat could take him to the other side-wherever that might be, but he gets stuck in the middle.
When RJ comes to meet him he comes out of the river right?Moving away from her but she follows him.And there is RJ's rickshaw, something that connects to the movement on earth. Ok, I'm getting somewhere with this, now, Baba has come over to the worldly side.
Guddu on the shore could also mean that he is unaffected by the current, that carried the kundali, also by other worldly desires such as wealth, not just physical love.
As you keep saying lot of clues all the time.



 



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