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Posted: 15 July 2011 at 12:41am | IP Logged
can any one plz explain dat if rukmani was lakshmi mata's avtaar den who was radha???
i always thaught that radha was lakshmi ma's avtaar..!!??
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Posted: 15 July 2011 at 1:02am | IP Logged
This has already been discussed in this thread - see the discussions, and follow the links in those discussions.
 
Essentially, while Rukmini is unanimously accepted as Lakshmi avatar, opinion is divided on Radha.

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Posted: 15 July 2011 at 2:31am | IP Logged
hey friends janha tak mughe pata hai wo ye ki har koi devta kisi na kisi karan is dharti par roop leta khabhi to dushto ka sanhar karne to kabhi manav jati ko kuchh samjhane jaisa ki mahabharat ka yudha sirf is baat ko samjhane ke liye hua tha ki adharm kitna bhi majboot kyo na ho ant mai jeet saty ki hoti hai
anyway i come to the point
baat darsal mai ye hai ki maa radha or rukmani sabhi maa laghmi ka hi avtar hai alag alag roop lekar wah manav jati ko alag tarah ki shikgha pradan karti hai
or vaise bhi kahte hai na bhagwan to ek hi hai bas uske roop or use dekhne ka andaaj alag alag hai

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It is always said that Laxmi and Vishnu's is a divine love and that whenever Vishnu's avtaar comes to earth.. laxmi also takes the human form and comes down to be his life partner. For example when vishnu came down as Ram, Laxmi came down as sita and likewise when Vishnu came down as Krishna .. she comes down as Rukmini.
Radha's love for Krishna is more Bhakti and devotion than Love. But his wife is always Laxmi ie. Rukmini.
Another interesting fact is that even the Shesh Nag ... Vishnujis snake incarnated with him. In his Ram incarnation as Laxman and in his Krishna incarnation as Balram.

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Posted: 15 July 2011 at 5:48pm | IP Logged
It is explained by Krishna why the Lord takes a human form by the shloka:

Yada Yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata
abhyuthmanam adharmasya tadatmanam srjamy aham
(Gita, chapter 4, Verse 7)

Literary Translation: Whenever righteousness falls and
unrighteousness grows the Almighty reveals His
presence! The Supreme though unborn and undying,
becomes manifest in human form to overthrow the forces
of ignorance and selfishness.

Basically it is when Dharma is under attack and is overwhelmed by Adharma then for the protection and preservation of dharma the Lord will come in its defence.

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Posted: 15 July 2011 at 10:43pm | IP Logged
thanks a lot guyz...for making it clear..!!Smile

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Posted: 16 July 2011 at 1:40am | IP Logged
Originally posted by popeye

It is always said that Laxmi and Vishnu's is a divine love and that whenever Vishnu's avtaar comes to earth.. laxmi also takes the human form and comes down to be his life partner. For example when vishnu came down as Ram, Laxmi came down as sita and likewise when Vishnu came down as Krishna .. she comes down as Rukmini.
Radha's love for Krishna is more Bhakti and devotion than Love. But his wife is always Laxmi ie. Rukmini.
Another interesting fact is that even the Shesh Nag ... Vishnujis snake incarnated with him. In his Ram incarnation as Laxman and in his Krishna incarnation as Balram.
 
There is plenty of evidence to contend that neither Lakshmi, nor Adisesha have to accompany Vishnu when he comes to earth.
 
In Matsya avatar, when Vishnu took the form of a horned fish (not a swordfish), he needed a snake to tie him to the boat that saved the saptarshis.  Here, he could have used Sesh nag - his serpantine throne - as a chain, but didn't.  Instead he used Vasuki.
 
In Kurma avatar, he married Lakshmi in his original form, and so that was where Lakshmi entered.  But here too, in the samudra manthan, he again used Vasuki, rather than Sesha-nag as the rope used to rotate the mountain.
 
In Varaha, Narasimha, Vamana and Parashurama avatars, neither Lakshmi nor Sesha nag went w/ him.  Granted, Varaha and Narasimha were really brief, and so they were not needed, and besides, there was no role for Lakshmi there.  But Sesha Nag could have accompanied him as a warrior, but didn't.
 
In Vamana avatar, I think Vishnu was there for a while - don't think he grew overnight.  There would have been no role for Sesha Nag here, but Lakshmi didn't incarnate to be Vamana's wife.
 
In Parashuram avatar, Vishnu took that form (and left it according to some accounts after Parashuram's encounter w/ Rama).  Parashuram lived throughout the Treta and Dwapar Yugas.  Despite that, Lakshmi didn't incarnate to marry him, and Sesha Nag didn't incarnate to be his companion.
 
In Rama avatar, Valmiki doesn't claim that Lakshman is Sesha-nag: by that account, Lakshman is part of Vishnu himself, as is Bharat & Shatrughan.  It's in Adhyatma that Lakshman is Sesha Nag.
 
In Kalki Avatar, Lakshmi is supposed to incarnate as Ramaa and marry him, but Sesha Nag isn't scheduled to come w/ him.


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Posted: 16 July 2011 at 2:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by _Vrish_

Originally posted by popeye

It is always said that Laxmi and Vishnu's is a divine love and that whenever Vishnu's avtaar comes to earth.. laxmi also takes the human form and comes down to be his life partner. For example when vishnu came down as Ram, Laxmi came down as sita and likewise when Vishnu came down as Krishna .. she comes down as Rukmini.
Radha's love for Krishna is more Bhakti and devotion than Love. But his wife is always Laxmi ie. Rukmini.
Another interesting fact is that even the Shesh Nag ... Vishnujis snake incarnated with him. In his Ram incarnation as Laxman and in his Krishna incarnation as Balram.
 
There is plenty of evidence to contend that neither Lakshmi, nor Adisesha have to accompany Vishnu when he comes to earth.
 
In Matsya avatar, when Vishnu took the form of a horned fish (not a swordfish), he needed a snake to tie him to the boat that saved the saptarshis.  Here, he could have used Sesh nag - his serpantine throne - as a chain, but didn't.  Instead he used Vasuki.
 
In Kurma avatar, he married Lakshmi in his original form, and so that was where Lakshmi entered.  But here too, in the samudra manthan, he again used Vasuki, rather than Sesha-nag as the rope used to rotate the mountain.
 
In Varaha, Narasimha, Vamana and Parashurama avatars, neither Lakshmi nor Sesha nag went w/ him.  Granted, Varaha and Narasimha were really brief, and so they were not needed, and besides, there was no role for Lakshmi there.  But Sesha Nag could have accompanied him as a warrior, but didn't.
 
In Vamana avatar, I think Vishnu was there for a while - don't think he grew overnight.  There would have been no role for Sesha Nag here, but Lakshmi didn't incarnate to be Vamana's wife.
 
In Parashuram avatar, Vishnu took that form (and left it according to some accounts after Parashuram's encounter w/ Rama).  Parashuram lived throughout the Treta and Dwapar Yugas.  Despite that, Lakshmi didn't incarnate to marry him, and Sesha Nag didn't incarnate to be his companion.
 
In Rama avatar, Valmiki doesn't claim that Lakshman is Sesha-nag: by that account, Lakshman is part of Vishnu himself, as is Bharat & Shatrughan.  It's in Adhyatma that Lakshman is Sesha Nag.
 
In Kalki Avatar, Lakshmi is supposed to incarnate as Ramaa and marry him, but Sesha Nag isn't scheduled to come w/ him.

thanks a lot vrish, whoo, u  really know the stuff.
 i would like to add, in some bhakti  scripts and specially the vaishnava scripts( i cannot give u the names of the scripts coz i never really remember them and i read them from gospels of sri Ramakrishna), rukmini, radha and also satyavhama are considered as incarnations of laxmi.
laxmi, who herself is the manifestation of shakti, has different shaktis in her . rukmini is  the incarnation of her hladini shakti, radha sandhani shakti . this is based  on  the premise where we accept thar radha actually exists.  radha's existence is highly debatable and she became a more prominent figure only during  and after the bhakti movement and after the vaishnava school of thoughts. In many scriptures satyavama is considered as  laxmi's  shakti too,  the fact that she was mother earth reincarnated proves this strongly. Mother earth or bhudevi is one form of laxmi , who is also the divine wife of vishnu in his baraha avatar.  she is the fertility form of laxmi and the other form of laxmi is sridevi or the luck and wealth  form, this form stays with narayana. so more or less  rukmini and radha and satyabhama r all  manifestations of laxmi


Edited by Tannistha - 16 July 2011 at 2:36am

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