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Posted: 17 June 2011 at 10:57am | IP Logged
^^ In continuation of Karthik's defense :P LOL...let me blame Priya's mom...she wanted a more valid reason for him to stall the wedding...and he had to say it in front of all...though yes he could have stopped with a one-liner about it...not go on and on..

Right I will keep quiet now LOL..

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Posted: 17 June 2011 at 10:59am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Maz.

^^ In continuation of Karthik's defense :P LOL...let me blame Priya's mom...she wanted a more valid reason for him to stall the wedding...and he had to say it in front of all...though yes he could have stopped with a one-liner about it...not go on and on..

Right I will keep quiet now LOL..



hahahaha.. Mazzyyy.. Let me then blame Priya's Dad !!!! All his raajkumar-raajkumari talks made karthik also cuckoo ... hahahaha ...

I should also keep quiet now ... LOL

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Posted: 18 June 2011 at 1:29pm | IP Logged
I love this episode by episode analysis thread.
 
I just watched the episode today, so obviously I have to babble about it. This episode, as mentioned countless time, was very strong. Strange as it lacked direct Ram Priya interaction.
 
Highlights:
 
1. Priya's standing up for herself. It reminds me of the bathroom scene in Hum Tum, both contained very much the same points. But of course, since the tone of the two scenes was so different, it was not a ripoff in any way. I think Nureat01 mentioned the use of 'yaar' which showed not only a cute brother sister touch, but this irritation with her irrational brother which I just loved
 
2. Shipra. This character was really annoying, but today I got to see her other side. I thought they made her into a Mrs. Bennet caricature, but was pleasantly surprised to see that she knows that she is unfair to Priya. her scene when she instictively yells at and blames Priya, but then also says that she knows its not really Priya's fault. Its this classic case of not understanding her daughter, who is so different and so much stronger than herself. Its like she is so bewildered by this daughter who has such different values, and temperament from herself that she cannot deal with it, and lashes out at her. It also explains why she is so obsessed with the second daughter, who is more like herself.
Adding to that, Priya's final scene where she actually feels sad that she cannot make her family happy is very touching. Once again, its just the fact that she does not see marriage as the ONLY direction her life can take, as opposed to the rest of her family, who only thinks of her in those terms, that caused all this friction. I also love how none of this is overtly said, but more subtly expressed.
 
3. I think Psawyer(Vasu?) mentioned that Priya's father is really not that great. i agree. He has been portrayed as somewhat weak, while still being a sympathetic character to Priya. In the Priya vs Family scene, he is really not on her side. He, too, treats her lack of marriagebility as a handicap. I love that Priya won't see herself as a victim, and I hate that everyone else, but Vikram(apparently)  sees  her exactly as that.
 
4. Does anyone else think that Nuts(Nats?) is actually nuts? Maybe, they are writing her as a manic-depressive? Her family treats her a little too carefully. They totally exceed the whole spoilt baby of the family thing. And the London thing is suspicious.
 
5. Little things i loved:
   Priya's little grin when Ram doesn't drink the water. It is a very knowing smile, and a very private one. She is not even irritated, its exactly what she expects.
 
 Ram's prenuptial discussion: Considering this is Ram, I am not surprised that he took the straight way out and said it rather than think about Karthik might feel about. He took it for granted that this is yet again his responsibility to handle. I am guessing he is used to cleaning up after Natasha's messes. Also loved Karthik's response(the won't take a penny from you bit, not my sister's a spinster bit)
 
The rain: did anyone else see the symbolism that Priya ventures out in the rain, if only soaking her arms, while Ram kind of stares at it from the window and then shuts the window firmly. Its more subtle than I expected from Ekta.

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Posted: 18 June 2011 at 4:24pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Mahi623

I love this episode by episode analysis thread. Hi Mahi - good to see you post here! 
 
I just watched the episode today, so obviously I have to babble about it. This episode, as mentioned countless time, was very strong. Strange as it lacked direct Ram Priya interaction.
 
Highlights:
 
1. Priya's standing up for herself. It reminds me of the bathroom scene in Hum Tum, both contained very much the same points. But of course, since the tone of the two scenes was so different, it was not a ripoff in any way. I think Nureat01 mentioned the use of 'yaar' which showed not only a cute brother sister touch, but this irritation with her irrational brother which I just loved Agree with you totally on this part - it is like the Hum Tum scene but without the similar context and tone. Btw, I love the Hum Tum scene, not only because of Rani & Saif's fantastic acting but because of the sheer chemistry between Karan and Rhea. 
 
2. Shipra. This character was really annoying, but today I got to see her other side. I thought they made her into a Mrs. Bennet caricature, but was pleasantly surprised to see that she knows that she is unfair to Priya. her scene when she instictively yells at and blames Priya, but then also says that she knows its not really Priya's fault. Its this classic case of not understanding her daughter, who is so different and so much stronger than herself. Its like she is so bewildered by this daughter who has such different values, and temperament from herself that she cannot deal with it, and lashes out at her. It also explains why she is so obsessed with the second daughter, who is more like herself. Wow, lovely analysis! I think I absolutely agree with you in principle; on paper this is exactly the kind of complexity the mother character should have. I watched that episode again recently, and I do now sort of liked that scene also for Shipra's breakdown. She knows that she is unnecessarily harsh on her but is not able to break out of that pattern. As you say below, at least we understand Shipra's motivation a little more. What of Sudhir's??

Adding to that, Priya's final scene where she actually feels sad that she cannot make her family happy is very touching. Once again, its just the fact that she does not see marriage as the ONLY direction her life can take, as opposed to the rest of her family, who only thinks of her in those terms, that caused all this friction. I also love how none of this is overtly said, but more subtly expressed.
 
3. I think Psawyer(Vasu?) mentioned that Priya's father is really not that great. i agree. He has been portrayed as somewhat weak, while still being a sympathetic character to Priya. In the Priya vs Family scene, he is really not on her side. He, too, treats her lack of marriagebility as a handicap. I love that Priya won't see herself as a victim, and I hate that everyone else, but Vikram(apparently)  sees  her exactly as that.
 
4. Does anyone else think that Nuts(Nats?) is actually nuts? Maybe, they are writing her as a manic-depressive? Her family treats her a little too carefully. They totally exceed the whole spoilt baby of the family thing. And the London thing is suspicious. True - either the actress is really bad or there is something more to her story. The way that the others treat her is way beyond the normal Ekta "spoilt child" syndrome.
 
5. Little things i loved:
   Priya's little grin when Ram doesn't drink the water. It is a very knowing smile, and a very private one. She is not even irritated, its exactly what she expects.
 
 Ram's prenuptial discussion: Considering this is Ram, I am not surprised that he took the straight way out and said it rather than think about Karthik might feel about. He took it for granted that this is yet again his responsibility to handle. I am guessing he is used to cleaning up after Natasha's messes. Also loved Karthik's response(the won't take a penny from you bit, not my sister's a spinster bit)
 
The rain: did anyone else see the symbolism that Priya ventures out in the rain, if only soaking her arms, while Ram kind of stares at it from the window and then shuts the window firmly. Its more subtle than I expected from Ekta. Totally true, which is why I think most people loved this episode, even without the direct interaction of RP. The show is working to maintain the subtle tones and not have to spell everything out for us. I hope they continue it this way. 

Btw, love your Cordy quote. A fellow Buffy fan!!

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Posted: 18 June 2011 at 9:21pm | IP Logged
This is show is beginning to look like the story of my life Confused. It's a bit too close to home my younger brother just said the same thing about not wanting  and rejecting proposals marry until I am married.Ermm
 
I loved Priya's anger towards Karthik about his spilling her secrets out in such a way. And I loved their argument, because both are right in their own way. I loved her dialogue "Can't a girl be single if she wants?" Finally they mentioned this very important point - that people make her feel like she is somehow less for not being married. 
 
Her feelings right there is exactly how everyone in my family including my relatives make me feel. I dun understand why there is double standards here coz if a man is single in his 30s, they say he is building his career and there is still time but it's not the same for women, they say things like she is choosy, arrogant and blah blah. It's ok for a man to be single but not a woman. It's so unfair. I totally see Priya's POV, everyone like my aunties, uncles, sisters and my mom also make me feel like I am incomplete or flawed for not being married. I just don't understand why can't a girl just be single and merry. I have a theory that maybe they're jealous coz at the same age, they already had so much of responsibility but here people like Priya n myself are going about our lives the way we want to, which is out of the norm.LOL
 
Speaking from experience, it's such a frustrating position at this point where everyone wants you to be married because they think it's the right thing to do not because they think you should have happiness. It's what they want and your needs are the least of their concerns. Ouch

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Posted: 19 June 2011 at 1:27am | IP Logged

I don't know how to pull of that funky quote thing yet so..

@psawyer: I am actually curious about Sudhir's motivation. Seeing a new layer to Shirpa (who knew Ekta could do layers??) has made me cautiously optimistic that the little things we are noticing about Sudhir will eventually reveal a few more shades of his character. I think you raised a question earlier on the thread that if Priya was always willing to marry the guy her father found for her, why didn't he find a guy for her? And why is she the breadwinner of the family? I hope they work these questions out in a subtle manner. It would be interesting because this is the parent who is on Priya's "side" and loves her, but is still weak as a person.
 
I hope they maintain this (so far) realistic development of characters. I love what they have done with Ram and Priya...all other characters on the show(including Nuts) have potential to develop great backstories and multiple motivations as the show progresses, or go into the typical good vs evil camps.
 
And I really really hope they keep up this subtlety, and let us work things out for ourselves.
 
I love love love Buffy(series, character, verse) I miss it so much. Sigh. I am watching Buffy and Angel(the shows) on reruns these days.
 
@fuzzyface: I think thats the beauty of Priya's predicament. We can all identify with it, in some way or other. It's absolutely natural, and not at all contrived. Priya's desire to not just marry for marriage's sake, as well as her mother's frustrations at her attitude  is something that can happen in so many households.

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Posted: 19 June 2011 at 1:33am | IP Logged
Hello there! Great analysis... Vasu.Smile& great discussion! Even though it looks like the topic has been talked into exhaustion, I have just a thing or two to add myself...

I started watching BALH just this week because I was slightly apprehensive about the story after the 1st episodes (catching up on the previous ones now) but like you said, this week was great.Big smileI must say Ekta is finally redeeming herself. You could guess what would happen next but something refreshingly new pops up anyway.LOL& what could be said about Saakshi & RK? They're just perfect anyway.

YES to everything you said but I slightly disagree with you on one thing. ._. It did look like Priya was feeling humiliated at the beginning of the scene but as Karthik went on with his explanation, I saw an inkling of gratitude on her face (looks like it was just me >_>). Quoting what he said, she COULD have gotten married but she didn't, for him. The scene initially looked absurd to me & I wondered why Karthik had to talk about this in front of everyone but in retrospect, I think he did so because his wishes would have fallen on deaf ears with the control freak Shipra poking her nose into everything, not to mention selfless Priya herself not letting him do this, no need to even mention the soft-spoken Papa here.

For me, Priya honestly looked touched and troubled with what Karthik said. She would of course be depressed and embarrassed for being a hindrance to her brother's happiness. Nonetheless, I appreciate Karthik's effort however it might have been carried out. This was probably the 1st time someone acknowledged her in a room full of people. I loved how he said that PRIYA is responsible for the man he is today. Not his father and Priya, nor his family, Just Priya.
& I think Saakshi is just great in emotional scenes like these. I truly felt for her at that moment and the situation she had been put in.

I'm probably going to sound like someone who started watching BALH recently but I can't resist this. Another thing I like is that Ram's not a cynical man considering how miserable his life is. Yes, he's wary and he doesn't trust people. But that didn't mean he wouldn't see a person for who he/she is. If this was a K serial from 5 years back, Ram would be a ruthless businessman who had to get married to a 'lowly' teacher who would of course change him with her kind nature after the marriage. If it had been that man, he would have scoffed at Karthik, telling him to end the pretense of being nice when he ended his heartfelt speech.
But this Ram Kapoor does not fall into the cliche cruel businessman category.Clap & this was clear from his reaction, his humble confession to Karthik. He might have all the money in this world and people may be falling at his feet everywhere he goes but he doesn't treat good people like dirt and most of all, he's not above a simple apology!




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Posted: 19 June 2011 at 7:59am | IP Logged
@ aimin:

Agree about Ram not being a cynic...that is heartening to watch. Sometimes (what do I mean sometimes?! Most of the time) on these shows, characters are so one-dimensional.

Since when is "Tycoon" a character? 

Honestly when I saw that first episode with Ram in Singapore buying up a company for the jet...I didn't have much hope for the show. but it has redeemed itself in great measure...

Ram is a business tycoon - that's his job...
In his personal life,  he's loyal, vulnerable, quirky, funny and a romantic (I think)...he's real - just like Priya is...


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