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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 10:50am | IP Logged
Originally posted by anjubala

And I am sick and tired of swallowing all this crap.. My tummy is not able to digest it and feel like throwing up on CTs... So mad at them for destroying every thing.


Anju Dear am actually laughing reading this, But U r right and even I feel the same,  they have really ruined everything,   they are openiing sooo many tracks, But what about exposing CC, HL and JW,  they are the main culprits,  Why not get them punished,  and get justice to those who have been Victimised,  Am just impatiently waiting for the day CC herself spills out all the beans and confesses all her crime,

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 1:03pm | IP Logged
@kavianand,
 
I really feel bad for Siddharth.  He was forced into a marriage and always schemed against by uncle and aunt. He still went ahead and did justice to Divya. He has basically no one to care for him. And I dont understand why his mother has to always ask for apology from Hemlata.I really do not like to see Siddharth giving up his child to anyone. Because, one way Nivedita is obsessive about the child and in another way, if time demands, Viren might not be able to impart equal justice to Siddharth's child and his own, he will be in a dilemma. If situation gets worse, I feel Siddharth should move away with his daughter to some other place. Viren and Nivedita can stay with the family, and look after the business and form their own world.
 
I think Siddharth's strictness will knock sense to Nivedita as also make Viren realise how to tackle the situation.

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 9:47pm | IP Logged
Kavitha, I love your post. It is such a fascinating point of view that Nivi's love is the kind of universal selfless love one feels for all humanity. (And not everyone is able to feel that, it is love of a very high order).  She has never known or felt a woman's love for her man or her lover. She is getting there with Viren, but is still not fully there. So she just doesn't regard, think of, or count her own happiness and by extension the happiness of those who already love her as an issue...her love is directed toward filling gaps, going to places where love does not exist. Hence this seemingly perverse pull towards DD, HL, CC who never gave her the love the others did. She subconsciously perhaps feels that that hate can be overcome if she pours her love into these dark places.  Very interesting idea...

Maybe that is what they meant in the beginning when they said pyar hokar bhi pyar se hai inkar...still, what happens in the everyday life of such a person?   Does she invite tragedy as everyone is saying for Nivi now? How does she redeem the very true love that those who love her have invested in her?  How does she fulfil her duties to all - to her husband and lover, to her family, to her dadi (her mentor)...to herself?

Dadi is just the opposite of Nivi in a sense -- down to earth, solid, aware of human frailties and failings, strong but aware enough that there are limits to everything, good and bad.  Nothing in its extreme ever works or brings happiness.  She has always tried to show the middle path to Nivi, her stubborness notwithstanding...and has seen Nivi falter (during sacrifice for DD, her sudden decision to marry Viren and later with Dwita...).  So I am really curious how Dadi will respond to all this now.  What will she say?  What will she feel?  What will she do?

Guilt corrodes.  We are seeing how it has eaten away nivi's sense of proportion and propriety (yes, propriety, given how she refused to honor the unfairness to Viren and change her decision despite DS, and everyone else's counsel that this is wrong and uncalled for...).  So how will the CTs resolve this?  Will she begin to accept the meaning of real, worldly love and the responsibility that goes with it, or is this a path of self-destruction?   I know the latter will never happen.  She will come out of it.  Sid's showing her her boundaries will surely have an effect...She does listen to him at some deep inner level, I think because she's so confident of his goodness.  Sometimes I wish they would show her talking heart to heart with VIren, sharing her bafflement at what she is feeling, what she is going through, what she is doing and the anguish she feels at the janus faced nature of the outcomes -- that she is hurting badly those who love her for the sake of an imagined responsibility of a different kind of love...and it would be nice if he could talk to her and if they together came out of this spiral, perhaps eventually enabling her to finally accept the love that she has so far denied or taken for granted (?) or at least not fully understood or reciprocated...for her love (him), for the others...

Don't know where they will go with this. My only plea is that they keep their sentimental definitions of mahanta out of this, and show us something much more human, falible and at the end, believable.

Sorry for the long post, but what you wrote was very fascinating...


Edited by minu2011 - 26 May 2011 at 9:52pm

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 10:37pm | IP Logged
Wonderful post Kavita and loved ur points about which you made about Nivi that her love is not same as love which is felt by woman to man. She is having love to keep others happy but now her concentration is on Dwita.

Minu you explained that love very beautifully the selfless love of Nivi which she feel for others and filling the dark corners. But she is not making anyone happy because people whom she is trying to fill love in are consumed in their hatred that they don't feel love and she is stealing the happiness from those who genuinely loves her. I was ok with her till she is giving time to baby but this step of operating herself so that her husband should never get happiness of becoming father is way too much (I am talking about Viren because she never thinks for herself if she was alone then this sacrifice would never hurt her that much in long run) but she is snatching that happiness not only from her husband but from the complete family who really loves and care for her.

Moreover right now she is feeling the possessive love and that for dwita. She is becoming possessive for dwita that is the reason she is not able to tolerate her separation and pleading everyone about it.

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 10:52pm | IP Logged
Kavi your right on the mark. Yes Nivi is using the love Viren has for her to manipulate him into giving up something he really wants.
I tried being understanding that maybe the guilt is too much for her to handle and eventually she will be able to see reason with Viren's help but WTH... tubal ligation?!?!?!?!... she is out of her mind :(
I have no more excuses for her because no amount of guilt should make you go to such extremes and take such drastic steps regarding yours and your partner's life. Viren baichaara muft mein maara ja raha hai. The CTs have messed this show and Nivi's character up for me so bad that I don't even feel like participating in any of the forum discussions.Cry
CTs please clean up your mess ASAP!!!

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 11:17pm | IP Logged
@nature and Sarah,

I agree with you.  This way of being is robbing others of happiness.  Indeed no one is happy as Anju said so well in her post today.  And I also hate the CT's for making Nivi do all this.  It is especially painful to see how viren is hurting despite being so reasonable and understanding, and the rest of the family too - everyone.   But Kavitha's perspective provided an insight into this that somehow transcended the immediate situation and all our frustration, and blames.  It doesn't change things in that the unhappiness is very real, and I don't even know whether this is why nivi is doing it, or if its just stubbornness  (that is why I am mad at the CT's for messing things up), but still, that point of view is very fascinating and I am sure it is never easy to love such people.  (An inexact analogy is Gandhi and the anguish of some of his own family -- at least one son -- who craved for his love but felt he never got it.  It is not to say that Gandhi did not love him, but it was a different love, not the possessive more grounded love of a typical father or parent...).  That is why I said, what happens to the real worldly life of a person who knows only this bigger love.  Not the personal kind of love we are accustomed to. And for sure it creates problems in their immediate world...

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Posted: 27 May 2011 at 4:51am | IP Logged
Originally posted by minu2011

@nature and Sarah,

I agree with you.  This way of being is robbing others of happiness.  Indeed no one is happy as Anju said so well in her post today.  And I also hate the CT's for making Nivi do all this.  It is especially painful to see how viren is hurting despite being so reasonable and understanding, and the rest of the family too - everyone.   But Kavitha's perspective provided an insight into this that somehow transcended the immediate situation and all our frustration, and blames.  It doesn't change things in that the unhappiness is very real, and I don't even know whether this is why nivi is doing it, or if its just stubbornness  (that is why I am mad at the CT's for messing things up), but still, that point of view is very fascinating and I am sure it is never easy to love such people.  (An inexact analogy is Gandhi and the anguish of some of his own family -- at least one son -- who craved for his love but felt he never got it.  It is not to say that Gandhi did not love him, but it was a different love, not the possessive more grounded love of a typical father or parent...).  That is why I said, what happens to the real worldly life of a person who knows only this bigger love.  Not the personal kind of love we are accustomed to. And for sure it creates problems in their immediate world...
Oh! MinuClapClapU have wonderfully explained what i have tried to ...i knew what i was trying to say but U caught it beautifully and have given such depth to it...thank You!U are a wonderful writer and should seriously persue it as a career!
 
Yes Todays episede  did Prove our point  its not stubborness Minu..Its just the child in her..the innocense of it is so awesome once u start seeing it in her..she really is a very beautiful human being ..a child woman...she did leave her stance[of getting operated]  and ended up pleading with Siddharth...She is desperate to shower her love...But for wrong reasons...If she had done the samething being her Maasi...No one would have taken away her happiness...She is just a desperate lil girl who wants to shower her love on who ever is around her but unknowingly ends up hurting herself and those who are hers!Her love is different sort of love ...may be the purest form very rarely found in women coz of their emotional hindrances!! But Nivi should really grow up and discover the woman in her not hang on to the lil girl who just wants to shower love!!
And in Dwithas case it is also guilt and her supposed belief that Divya wanted her to be the mother ..and that is the reason she gave an apperance to her as an apparition!!
Given some time ithink everything will fall back into place and The Cts today sort of revived her character for me atleast!!I am glad !!


Edited by kavianand - 27 May 2011 at 5:24am

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Posted: 27 May 2011 at 5:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Sai_2010

@kavianand,
 
I really feel bad for Siddharth.  He was forced into a marriage and always schemed against by uncle and aunt. He still went ahead and did justice to Divya. He has basically no one to care for him. And I dont understand why his mother has to always ask for apology from Hemlata.I really do not like to see Siddharth giving up his child to anyone. Because, one way Nivedita is obsessive about the child and in another way, if time demands, Viren might not be able to impart equal justice to Siddharth's child and his own, he will be in a dilemma. If situation gets worse, I feel Siddharth should move away with his daughter to some other place. Viren and Nivedita can stay with the family, and look after the business and form their own world.
 
I think Siddharth's strictness will knock sense to Nivedita as also make Viren realise how to tackle the situation.
Yes i agree that Siddharth has really NOT been treated well by his destiny..he has lost much but he is a very deep character..U know what i mean...He is a very straight guy with a lot of practicality in him..He can be emotional too but only upto a point...He also knows to dwell inside himself and find inner peace...That is what they want to show ..he has faced so much but that has not deterred him...he has just lost his wife but yet he can think of restoring his Brothers life by making these tactful decisions no matter if it gives him  pain !! basically he is asteady guy who manages his life and tries to keep it on order inspite of all the turbulance...So when he does not actually feel sorry for himself..Then I am fine..I too feel happy for him...But the moment they show him in that self pity mode..that means something drastic must have happened and i will feel bad for him!! So far he is the one character who has been a silent recepient to whatever the fate and people have dished out to him...That infact doesnt make him weak but i really admire his inner strength!1

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