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Goldie

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:08am | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Sookie-

Originally posted by night13



The concept of Hindu Rashtra was not to create RSS, instead they were who believed in the culture and people of the India, who adopted the India as their motherland, thus a united India.  I am sure everyone has their own interpretations to their understanding of HR. Hindu basically denotes the  national way of life and believed in united country.



Hindu Rashtra and RSS are two different things. While RSS was the sangh, Hindu rashtra (which was also a newspaper I believe?) was an ideology. Though the literary meaning of the word is exactly what you have mentioned, in colloquial terms, that isn't so. Godse vehemently talked about "Hindus being neglected etc etc"

Gandhi represented free India. And Godse managed to destroy that.


So, what would have been different if Gandhi would have lived?

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:10am | IP Logged
Originally posted by angie.4u

Originally posted by night13

Originally posted by blue-ice

Originally posted by night13

Originally posted by blue-ice

Sorry Aarya...I don't feel that I am qualified enough to comment on the assassination of one of the greatest leaders who has earned respect...not only in India but the whole world...the only thing that I have in my heart for Gandhiji and all the the great freedom fighters is a sense of gratitude...I know that its because of their combined efforts that I was born in a free India and not as a slave of some GoraDead...I believe that with their limited resources whatever decisions they took whether it was wrong or right...it was for the good of India...We are humans and we make mistakes...but for me it is the intention that counts...
I am not judging anyone this is just my opinion...but I think it would be wrong on my part to sit in my AC roon...typing on my laptop...with the news of the world available at my finger tips ...I should be saying what they did was wrong or not without actually knowing what this great leader went through...
My heart will always be filled with hatred for Nathu Ram...may he rot in hell...


Do spill the beans,  as I am ready to negotiate with heart vs mind. This is a theoretical discussion, in which all are welcomed, even the ones who rot in hell. :)

Would there have been a civil war if Gandhi did not take the stand on being non-violence?



My mind says the same thing as my heart...I have explained my stand to you...
Do you think we are better off without Pakistan or not??


I believe there should not have been a Pakistan, instead a united India with respect to all religions.

That would have been the ideal situation but it dd not happen. Seeing where Pakistan and India stand today I wouldnt say it was a bad decision as such. As I already mentioned earlier the partition process could have been carried out more amicably.


In your opinion, who is responsible for the partition?

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:12am | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

I love fireworks. LOL

This is not about killing the innocence as I stated earlier, this is about the principals and beliefs on which the assignation was executed. Did it serve it's purpose?


So do I LOL
So on what principles and beliefs and purpose  did Godse assassinate Gandhi?

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:16am | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

In your opinion, who is responsible for the partition?

All those people who contributed to the polarisation  by spreading hatred in the name of religion are responsible for the events that led to the partition.

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:22am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

I am a great admirer of Gandhi ji.
He was an enlightened soul and the body only appeared as a shadow to him. Other great spiritual gurus of his time too highly respected him.


Haha Summerji...that makes three of us...u , me and President Obama...GMTALOL

Its a pity that while the whole world reveres Gandhiji, he is used as an example when it comes to great leaders...some of us INDIANS would question his decisions...just sayin...well I guess in a free India...we have a right to do so...guess who we owe this freedom toTongueWink

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:23am | IP Logged
Originally posted by angie.4u

Originally posted by night13

I love fireworks. LOL

This is not about killing the innocence as I stated earlier, this is about the principals and beliefs on which the assignation was executed. Did it serve it's purpose?


So do I LOL
So on what principles and beliefs and purpose  did Godse assassinate Gandhi?


As quoted before..

Godse had no personal grudges over Gandhi, instead he was fighting for a cause which believed in United India and thus no religions segregation or partition. Godse truly respected Gandhi theory on non-violence but this theory denies self-defence and self-interest. The non-violence that defines the fight for survival as violence is a theory not of non-violence but of self-destruction. Was the decision on partition necessary? To me no individual is greater than a nation! Tongue

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by angie.4u

Originally posted by blue-ice

My mind says the same thing as my heart...I have explained my stand to you...
Do you think we are better off without Pakistan or not??
We most certainly are,  BI LOL Imagine finding the world's most wanted terrorist in our frontyard "without" our  knowledge!


I don't think we would have found OBL in a United IndiaLOL...some of my Pakistani friends believe that it would have been better if they were still a part of India...

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Posted: 24 May 2011 at 11:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by angie.4u

Originally posted by night13

In your opinion, who is responsible for the partition?

All those people who contributed to the polarisation  by spreading hatred in the name of religion are responsible for the events that led to the partition.


Isn't Gandhi part of the same cult? If he would have taken the stand for reformation, we would not have lead into partition.

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