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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Resurrected.


Originally posted by return_to_hades


No one has denied Gandhi the role he played in history. Its merely a question of did he do enough, could he have done more and do we potentially overlook some of his mistakes.


You accuse Gandhi of being a pacifist but you turn around and try to do the same over here. The crux of the discussion, if I am not wrong,  is whether Gandhi should have been shot dead in public or not (which is what Godse did). What you are trying to do is water down the sentiment of the detractors to make it more palatable to the neutral audience. Nice try but that is not the position assumed by the pro-"Gandhi-should-have-been-shot-dead" -gang.


I've never denied that I myself am a pacifist. I also often wonder if I make a right decision in doing so. That aside - I feel the TS has intentionally made the opening questions controversial and inflammatory. While I do not know some of these new comers well, I believe that this is not done out of malice or disdain, but purely to incite discussion and interaction.

The crux I believe is not in if someone deserved to get shot dead or in justifying a convicted killer - thats the attention grabber. The crux is more in a reevaluation of Gandhi in historical perspective decades later and analyzing his decisions and choices. In my personal opinion he is not as infallible or mercurial as he is perceived to be, but to many others he is the face of our freedom movement and our nations greatest leaders. The crux to me is the clash of these two perspectives.

I remember going to Passion of the Christ with a church group. My friends father was a pastor. One of our post film discussion questions was "Did Jesus deserve to die?". I don't think any pastor in their right mind wants people to think Jesus deserved to die, the point is to engage in critical thinking so that people reaffirm beliefs or views after a thorough evaluation of all perspectives.

I don't see any arguments here which go  purely "Gandhi should have been shot". Most are just refusing to believe that Gandhi did everything right. I feel you are so engrossed in your personal viewpoints that anything that opposes it is grossly vile or to the extreme.

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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 2:49pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Resurrected.


When you are talking about the father of the nation, a man held in high esteem by millions for all the right reasons, you have to tread carefully with you free speech banner.



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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 2:52pm | IP Logged
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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 2:58pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by night13


I respect and welcome all. Tongue



Welcome ke liye Thanks hai ji...agar aap  welcome nahi karti...hum fir bhi aa jaateLOL


What's up with the 'Ji'...LOL  Welcome to the world of controversies...JI
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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 3:10pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

Originally posted by blue-ice

Originally posted by night13


I respect and welcome all. Tongue



Welcome ke liye Thanks hai ji...agar aap  welcome nahi karti...hum fir bhi aa jaateLOL


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Posted: 26 May 2011 at 3:16pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by K.Resurrected.

Originally posted by return_to_hades


Yes, it is very difficult to debate with people who have made up their minds. Especially when people have made up their minds that they are right and all those who contradict their righteous opinions or think differently are nothing but ignorant, disrespectful, idiots who are making up bullshit.


Stop being touchy.


I could care less. However, in all honesty, thats how you come off as a lot of times.

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