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Today's Episode - Upended Lives (Page 3)

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 5:08am | IP Logged
Minu..it's perfect...nothing more to add...u nailed the situation... u beautifully explained nivi's state of mind...'Its like someone who doesn't know the path or the boundaries  and in their faith and commitment to doing what they think is the 'right thing' goes toally overboard, over-responds, without knowing any better.  She has no benchmarks, no markers, doesn't know where the limits are.'...awesome... and completely agree with u...
 
And viren is so much in love with nivi so tht he want to spend more time with her...it's normal...and bcz of nivi's over attachment with dwita she can't fully recognise viren's sadness...and viren can't accept the new situation completely...so here neither nivi nor viren is wrong...it's a real life situation...here mutual understanding and support is needed...hope the CT's will not mess up with the whole track..and i want a confrontation btw nivren...they have to solve their problems by themselves..marriage is not a smooth path...it may have thorns too...so nivren have to overcome all the difficulties and we all want  to see nivren happy...!!and once again minu...excellent post.. u r  brilliant..!!


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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 7:48am | IP Logged
AWESUM POST YAAAR

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 9:09am | IP Logged
Minu love ur post. But somewhat disagree with u. I have repadly said that that proper test of human beings are in bad times. And somehow all the main leads of CCBM have failed that. S. failed when Nivi's father and the Sharmas were being blamed. He also failed when Nivi was being continuously blamed in his house and he did not say anything, not even believed her. He only started looking around proofs when he was being blamed. DD failed repeatdly and I dont think so I need to explain anything here as far as DD is concerned. Viren failed when he was revealed as stalker and in his jealousy track which we all know. And honestly for me Nivi has also failed repeatdly. I was totally with her when she stood up against S. and Sharmas and at the wedding and I was like wow RS will show us a girl who will become women of substrance but after that it was totally a downhill of Nivi's character. She was totally obssessed with DD and the likings of S. When VD said that Nivi understands everybody I was like what. SHe is continuously failed to understand her sis, never communicated with her, she has totally failed as a wife as Viren has never been the centre of her attraction. She started concentrating on Viren a bit when DD started getting upset with her for interfering in her and S. life too much. I just dont understand y does she always need toi be shaken up to make her understand what other people want. I know everybody says there r too much expecttations from her character. But if u take it I dont c any sort of samjhdaari in it which they r trying to show. She has never been able to solve any issues or problems. But is the one who always creates them and then comes out of it smoothly that nobody blames her and all the other people get blamed. Even this Bhaiji issue. Kahan yaar shareef ghar ki larkiyaan raat ko milnay jaati hain apnay bhai kay friends kay bhaiyoon say. If she would have communicaated this issue with her father earlier this could have been sorted out by the principal without her even being involved. She always hid DD's mistakes and S. mistakes but openly discuss issues bothering Viren. Instead of talking to him herself she told S. who went and talked to him. It was between husband and wife. Y did she got S. involved. If she would have been samjhdaar she would have understood that S. is now DD's husband and one should let husband and wife resolve their issue and not interfere in them and no wife likes anyother person to tell them what r there husbands liking and dislikings.. But she continuously interfered in their lives. She has been unable to understand CC and her plans yet. Samjhdaari kahan hai uss mein. Honestly for me she is the most Ziididi person. She only does what she wants. So i'm sorry sweetie I somehwat disagree with it. Coz she has always been in guilt and will always be in  guilt.

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 9:56am | IP Logged
Agree with you minu but today even after VD And NT dadi explained to her she hasnt been able to understand them . I think this is the start of her downfall according to me ( CC's plan - ...where Viren will leave her and the CTs will destroy the nivren relationship ) ... I have no faith left in them ...as the RS emails we have received are contradictory

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 10:31am | IP Logged
Agree with you Zarmeen too I can understand Nivi's present situation as right now her condition is such she is feeling guilty as well as responsible for Dwita and that's why NT dadi was worried today. Nivi is good at heart but is not samajdar because till now we haven't seen any samajdaari from her Ya u can call her obedient child who listen to what elders say but is not samajdaar.
 
But it is not the first time when Nivi put others before Viren. She always does this be it Divya, Sid, family, office or dwita everyone comes before Viren. She has to be shaken up to realise the importance and needs of Viren.
 
On the other hand Viren do loves Nivi start with everything to please her but lose his patience really soon and become insecure instantly like he himself asked her to join office knowing she is really talented but when she got successful he get jealous, now also he gave the responsibility of dwita to Nivi now he is getting insecure when she is involved in the kid.
 
Main problem I have why they don't solve their problems why they always need 3 person interventions to solve their problems. It would have been better instead of Sid lecturing Viren if Nivi herself would have confronted Viren and made him understand. Why her solution revolve around accept what other person wants instead of making them understand what are they trying to do is wrong.

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 12:09pm | IP Logged
Zarmeen, Lams, Rachu,  thanks for your wonderful comments on this tricky issue of how the CT's have portrayed aspects of Nivi's and other's persona.

Zarmeen -- what you wrote was awesome- very sharp, very insightful. You've put your finger on the problem very well, along with Rachu -- that there is a distinction between obeying elders, stubbornness, and being samajhdar. I absolutely agree that there are ways in which the CT's have shown Nivi to be more stubborn or seeing the world in a particular way than being samjhdar.  She is very good at heart, but this her problem is that she is not able to openly talk about her feelings and thoughts to even people close to her, but believes that it is her responsibility to protect them, shield them and so she feels she must solve all the problems by herself without even the awareness of other person... But life is not like that. We have to take the help of others and sometimes realize that our own thinking may be wrong or at least incomplete or not entirely right.  All the incidents you point to are good examples of that.  She did at one point want to talk to DD about Sid, and had that dream where she tells DD and DD tries to slash her wrists, and this scares Nivi so much that she keeps quiet.   Then with Yash, she fears her dad will be so mad at Yash (and lest he runs away again) and so she thinks she'll handle it herself...
Indeed this inability to communicate directly is a problem with so many of the characters in the show. Direct communication is missing.  We had discussed this earlier around Viren's issues.  He is not open to Nivi about his issues, and she certainly is not.  It is only after he is revealed as the stalker that they confront each other fully but the CT's ruined that by giving us such lame reasons for his stalking and never clarifying whether he actually did them all or only some.  VD's passivity is another example, and Siddharth's problem we've discussed so many times.

NT dadi put it best when she told Nivi that she is not god and cannot single-handedly shape the lives of others. 
With respect to VIren things began to change after the SR, but the CT's never took their time to develop it.  They kept rushing -- rather lurching -- from one thing to the next.  Wish they had shown Nivi and Viren talking to each other more.  The love is there, but without the honest, deeply personal talks how will it mature?  Wish the CT's would not interpret mahanta with only sacrifice and pain and crying and putting up with torture, but also with giving love and understanding and being available and facing up to things openly.  They keep confusing us about Nivi's ability to understand Viren.  She understood him perfectly during his rebellion phase, so its hard to believe she don't now, no?

 I don't know whether the original theme of the show  - pyar se kyon hai inkar...has something to do with Nivi's inability to accept love or believe in it or that she deserves it...but whatever, the CT's have confused us plenty!

Yet, hats off to Neha and Kinshuk and the other actors for doing their best with whatever the CT's have given them to work with.  They have been awesome.

You know, I've noticed that at some point, in the recent past (esp around the time of Viren's stay in the Sharma house) NT Dadi, Sarita ji, who is such a phenomenal actor at times seems to not have her heart in some of the scenes she asked to do or lines she's made to deliver.  Perhaps she gets that the CT's are messing things up and doesn't buy what they are making her portray, but being a professional does what she's told, but it shows...

The only hope is that the CT's shift their own understanding of good-ness, and growth and substance, and show us something more consistent and something that rings more true with the characters they themselves had originally crafted.  (sometimes I think HL and CC are the only two characters that have been consistent from the start!!)

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 1:07pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Cutie-NivRen

Agree with you Zarmeen too I can understand Nivi's present situation as right now her condition is such she is feeling guilty as well as responsible for Dwita and that's why NT dadi was worried today. Nivi is good at heart but is not samajdar because till now we haven't seen any samajdaari from her Ya u can call her obedient child who listen to what elders say but is not samajdaar.
 
But it is not the first time when Nivi put others before Viren. She always does this be it Divya, Sid, family, office or dwita everyone comes before Viren. She has to be shaken up to realise the importance and needs of Viren.
 
On the other hand Viren do loves Nivi start with everything to please her but lose his patience really soon and become insecure instantly like he himself asked her to join office knowing she is really talented but when she got successful he get jealous, now also he gave the responsibility of dwita to Nivi now he is getting insecure when she is involved in the kid.
 
Main problem I have why they don't solve their problems why they always need 3 person interventions to solve their problems. It would have been better instead of Sid lecturing Viren if Nivi herself would have confronted Viren and made him understand. Why her solution revolve around accept what other person wants instead of making them understand what are they trying to do is wrong.
Yaar Rach kahan hai obedient. Nodding head when somebody wants tea is not being obedient. But when VD asked her to go and C if Viren needs anything she simply refused or changed the topic. So for me she is only obedient when she feels like. At the time of DD and S. marriage also Daadi asked her not to be mahaan but she still did not listen to her. At the time of engagement she did not even bothered to talk about to NT daadi of not going through with the engagement whereas she knew that her dad and daadi were super excited. And even after that when NT dadi , yash and S. and VD were trying to make her understand she was adament of getting S. married to DD. Tu kahan hai obedient yaar.

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Posted: 17 May 2011 at 2:17pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by zarmeeno

Minu love ur post. But somewhat disagree with u. I have repadly said that that proper test of human beingsare inbad times. And somehow all the main leads of CCBM have failed that. S. failed when Nivi's father and the Sharmas were being blamed. He also failed when Nivi was being continuously blamed in his house and he did not say anything, not even believed her. He only started looking around proofs when he was being blamed. DD failed repeatdly and I dont think so I need to explain anything here as far as DD is concerned. Viren failed when he was revealed as stalker and in his jealousy track which we all know. And honestly for me Nivi has also failed repeatdly. I was totally with her when she stood up against S. and Sharmas and at the wedding and I was like wow RS will show us a girl who will become women of substrance but after that it was totally a downhill of Nivi's character. She was totally obssessed with DD and the likings of S. When VD said that Nivi understands everybody I was like what. SHe is continuously failed to understand her sis, never communicated with her, she has totally failed as a wife as Viren has never been the centre of her attraction. She started concentrating on Viren a bit when DD started getting upset with her for interfering in her and S. life too much. I just dont understand y does she always need toi be shaken up to make her understand what other people want. I know everybody says there r too much expecttations from her character. But if u take it I dont c any sort of samjhdaari in it which they r trying to show. She has never been able to solve any issues or problems. But is the one who always creates them and then comes out of it smoothly that nobody blames her and all the other people get blamed. Even this Bhaiji issue. Kahan yaar shareef ghar ki larkiyaan raat ko milnay jaati hain apnay bhai kay friends kay bhaiyoon say. If she would have communicaated this issue with her father earlier this could have been sorted out by the principal without her even beinginvolved. She always hid DD's mistakes and S. mistakes but openly discuss issues bothering Viren. Instead of talking to him herself she told S. who went and talked to him. It was between husband and wife. Y did she got S. involved. If she would have been samjhdaar she would have understood that S. is now DD's husband and one should let husband and wife resolve their issue and not interfere in them and no wife likes anyother person to tell them what r there husbands liking and dislikings.. But she continuously interfered in their lives. She has been unable to understand CC and her plans yet. Samjhdaari kahan hai uss mein. Honestly for me she is the most Ziididi person. She only does what she wants. So i'm sorry sweetie I somehwat disagree with it. Coz she has always been in guilt and will always be in guilt.


100% agree to what all you just said. I just dont get the reason why Niveditas character is shown so dumd at times. I liked the point you brought up that Nivi has always hid DD and Sids mistakes but openly talked about Virens. I still hate that scene b/w Nivi-Sid before site pooja the way she said "Viren ko pata hoga kya bolna hai client ko" while making that face. Also the other thing which shows her samajhdaari was when she used to ask Sid not to talk to het coz DD gets upset. Arey yaar koi husband ko apni biwi ke baare mein aisa kahoge to rishte kharab hogena. Smart person would known how to handle such situations. Avoid karna aur dusre bande ko pata bhi na chale. But instead she made it obvious to sid that she is avoiding him for dd. She never confides in Viren rather chooses Sid for that. Nivi thinks whatever she does is right no matter if its wrong for the other person. Yet she is mahan. Nivi has never shown any signs of responsibility. It's true what u said that its her ziddi nature and unwanted/ unnecessary interference that has caused troubles for everyone. She is the creator of all problems. Right from sidya marriage to her neglegence towards Viren and over the board attitute for dwita and lack in inability to clarify issues. Imagine she and DD went for months w/o clearing the doubts in DDs brain. Finally DD had to bear the brunt of everything that sid- Nivi did and hided from DD. God alone knows what all she's gonna screw up next

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