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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 12:25pm | IP Logged
I've read parts of it.  Usually, when I pick up a Ramayan, I go to the various parts that often differ in account, such as Lakshman being downed by the Shakti, Parashuram's role during/after Rama's marriage, the events following Dasharath's demise and some others.  That helps me determine whether the authors in question are really reproducing Valmiki, or taking even more liberties w/ the epic, and then casting it as their own.

Ramesh Menon seemed to do the latter - I particularly noticed that in his treatment of the story of what Rama did after Sita went to Pataal Lok.

For the original Valmiki, you can find it in this website

http://valmikiramayan.net/

Unfortunately, it doesn't include the Uttarkand, so one has to mine other places for that.

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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 4:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by _Vrish_

I've read parts of it.  Usually, when I pick up a Ramayan, I go to the various parts that often differ in account, such as Lakshman being downed by the Shakti, Parashuram's role during/after Rama's marriage, the events following Dasharath's demise and some others.  That helps me determine whether the authors in question are really reproducing Valmiki, or taking even more liberties w/ the epic, and then casting it as their own.

Ramesh Menon seemed to do the latter - I particularly noticed that in his treatment of the story of what Rama did after Sita went to Pataal Lok.

For the original Valmiki, you can find it in this website

http://valmikiramayan.net/

Unfortunately, it doesn't include the Uttarkand, so one has to mine other places for that.
 
Yeah, Ramesh Menon did take a lot of liberaties in the story...he also added the one about Sita really being Mandodari's daughter, and Mandodari having given her up to get revenge on Ravan for remarrying so many times.Confused Not only does that undermine Mandodari's noble character, but it also destroys the concept of Sita being Ayonija, one not born of the womb.
 
I forgot the end...what exactly did Ram do after Sita went to Paatal Lok?

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Posted: 10 May 2011 at 9:33pm | IP Logged
He accompanied Kush & Luv to the hut made of twigs & leaves that they were staying in during the yagna, and spent that night there w/ them.  Seemed strange to me - since Valmiki had entrusted him w/ their care, he was @ liberty to take them w/ him to his camp.  This part doesn't quite contradict Valmiki, but it does make something up out of whole cloth.

OTOH, the KL battles w/ SLB were not shown - thank goodness for that.  Instead, Lakshman was described as accompanying the horse, as in the original.

If any author makes Sita Mandodari's daughter, fine, but it's certainly not Valmiki's Ramayan.  So I wish he didn't call it that.

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Okay, I'll kick off a question that I used in the example.  How did Ashwatthama & Kripacharya become immortal.  And why was Kripa & Kritavarma not punished after the war for his role in the massacre? (Kritavarma was killed by Satyaki during the fracticide @ Dwaraka, when they were all drunk - in fact, he vowed to avenge the killing of Dhrishtadyumna and slew Kritavarma then & there)

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i have a question .. i heard from my grandmother that maharani indumathi was separated from maharaj aja, ram ji's grandfather and dashrath ji's father. does anyone here know why? im curious about the story of aja and indumathi's separation.Embarrassed

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Originally posted by _Vrish_

Okay, I'll kick off a question that I used in the example.  How did Ashwatthama & Kripacharya become immortal.  And why was Kripa & Kritavarma not punished after the war for his role in the massacre? (Kritavarma was killed by Satyaki during the fracticide @ Dwaraka, when they were all drunk - in fact, he vowed to avenge the killing of Dhrishtadyumna and slew Kritavarma then & there)
 
i don't know about kripacharya, vrish bhaiya, but i think ashvathama was cursed to be immortal so that the pain and suffering he was cursed with would last forever. it was more a shraap than boon.


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I never read the story of them being separated.  When they came of age, they crowned Dasharath and retired to the forest together.  Did the separation you heard of indicate an end to the marriage, or Indumati dying b4 Aja?

I was under the impression that Ashwathama & Kripa were already immortal, and that Krishna gave his shrap and turned his immortality from a boon to a curse.  But Kripa was never punished.  But just curious as to how & why these 2 were immortal?

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Originally posted by _Vrish_

ILGD

I never read the story of them being separated.  When they came of age, they crowned Dasharath and retired to the forest together.  Did the separation you heard of indicate an end to the marriage, or Indumati dying b4 Aja?

I was under the impression that Ashwathama & Kripa were already immortal, and that Krishna gave his shrap and turned his immortality from a boon to a curse.  But Kripa was never punished.  But just curious as to how & why these 2 were immortal?
 
i guess it happened after Dashrath ji was crowned and Aja and Indumathi retired to the forest, bhaiya. my dadi ma told me that someone from the heavens carried Indumathi away and Aja pined for her for a long time before doing tapasya and leaving his mortal body. i just wanted to know the full story.
 
 
i don't know why they were immortal, maybe there was a background story.
 
 
by d way bhaiya, my name is Mina.


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