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Posted: 22 April 2011 at 10:35am | IP Logged
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Understanding is a three-edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth... and it's hard decision which ever side you decide to take!  There are many sides of Maan and geet and all of them have some truth because they are viewed from different angels. It's a general prejudice on our part so that we see what we expect to see. I believe both are true to their sides and the real question is how will they meet in the middle without breaking the pride!


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Understaing is sure shot 3 way sword than Prospective too is 2 way sword  . Its individual prospetive if he wants to see glass half full half empty. If he like pessimistic or optimistic way to look at things.  I never try to question or change other side of thought process because its their way of visualizing things and interpreting them. For me to each to its own. Given you asked me one month back My answer could have been different but now with pessimism taken over my brain with respect to treatment they meted to their own main lead charcter GEET. Creatives left their creativity in locker and themselve not aware of key. They left this charcter at viewers mercy with no justification from their side. So I dont have much hopes from them they will do something to show her inner conflict or rather try to resurrect her charcter. I think maneet reunion will be physical reunion not any emotional reunion with any self talk.to zip our mouth


I agree with you, that Geet and Maan's characters are being questioned over and over again, with out any closure to the situation at hand. I think this just may be a learning curve for the characters before any shape or form is decided. I am on a fence for this one cause I believe a it's not possible for a physical reunion to take place with out an emotional attachment, but again I have been proven wrong many times! LOL

It's a very good take Kul!





See its again come to my pessimistic prospective to your optimistic prospective. I was on fence till last one I think holi scene was last straw. May be because I am high quality feminist in real life and have no sympathy for any crime against women (even if its fiction) . Now I have passed the fence so I know they can show great hot physical reunion to zip all of us and noone will care for all emotional torture viwers went because of their stupid lame characterization of GEET. I don't understand what bonding they share with Dev that they changed his character  from devil to saint to fast. Nor I understand what grudges they have with Geet to leave her character at audience mercy with no justification from their side.
Sorry I am not hopeful about any emotional reunion after self realization.
Pessimism  has taken over me when its related to this show


my dear pessimistic Kul... there is a joke which I would like to share..
a man is lying on a death bed, and the wife says 'He's half dead' vs the girlfriend says 'he's half alive'... :)

Either way nothing can be changed about the man on the death bed. It's like how you stated earlier the "Some people think of the glass as half full. Some people think of the glass as half empty" but I think of the glass as too big!

To your point I do hope there is some justice to Geet/Maan characters.
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Posted: 22 April 2011 at 10:38am | IP Logged
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@ KULU - EXACTLY MY POINT! WELL Described to sylvia... those are the kind of scenarios I was thinking!!! You spoke my mind dear!!!
 
@ Aarya - I am totally on board - a physical reunion has to be really divine and if we can't relate to the characters, it will not be divine... so I hope they prolong it a little while longer while they sort out their mess!


Dhwani I was looking for more comic incidences like these...as it has necessary comic touch nowdays we will this in new track

A physical reunion without any self realization can never touch divinity which we see on their first confession. A never tocuhed eptiome of selfless love from both side...which I do see missing nowdays

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Posted: 22 April 2011 at 10:46am | IP Logged
Originally posted by night13

Originally posted by kuls11

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Originally posted by kuls11

Originally posted by night13

Understanding is a three-edged sword. Your side, their side, and the truth... and it's hard decision which ever side you decide to take!  There are many sides of Maan and geet and all of them have some truth because they are viewed from different angels. It's a general prejudice on our part so that we see what we expect to see. I believe both are true to their sides and the real question is how will they meet in the middle without breaking the pride!


Arya
Understaing is sure shot 3 way sword than Prospective too is 2 way sword  . Its individual prospetive if he wants to see glass half full half empty. If he like pessimistic or optimistic way to look at things.  I never try to question or change other side of thought process because its their way of visualizing things and interpreting them. For me to each to its own. Given you asked me one month back My answer could have been different but now with pessimism taken over my brain with respect to treatment they meted to their own main lead charcter GEET. Creatives left their creativity in locker and themselve not aware of key. They left this charcter at viewers mercy with no justification from their side. So I dont have much hopes from them they will do something to show her inner conflict or rather try to resurrect her charcter. I think maneet reunion will be physical reunion not any emotional reunion with any self talk.to zip our mouth


I agree with you, that Geet and Maan's characters are being questioned over and over again, with out any closure to the situation at hand. I think this just may be a learning curve for the characters before any shape or form is decided. I am on a fence for this one cause I believe a it's not possible for a physical reunion to take place with out an emotional attachment, but again I have been proven wrong many times! LOL

It's a very good take Kul!





See its again come to my pessimistic prospective to your optimistic prospective. I was on fence till last one I think holi scene was last straw. May be because I am high quality feminist in real life and have no sympathy for any crime against women (even if its fiction) . Now I have passed the fence so I know they can show great hot physical reunion to zip all of us and noone will care for all emotional torture viwers went because of their stupid lame characterization of GEET. I don't understand what bonding they share with Dev that they changed his character  from devil to saint to fast. Nor I understand what grudges they have with Geet to leave her character at audience mercy with no justification from their side.
Sorry I am not hopeful about any emotional reunion after self realization.
Pessimism  has taken over me when its related to this show


my dear pessimistic Kul... there is a joke which I would like to share..
a man is lying on a death bed, and the wife says 'He's half dead' vs the girlfriend says 'he's half alive'... :)

Either way nothing can be changed about the man on the death bed. It's like how you stated earlier the "Some people think of the glass as half full. Some people think of the glass as half empty" but I think of the glass as too big!

To your point I do hope there is some justice to Geet/Maan characters.
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Yup glass is too big...as our expectation are too big ...may be they themselves taught us to fly from june to November and now trimmed our feathers...

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Posted: 22 April 2011 at 10:48am | IP Logged
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i think she doesn't react openly because she does not want to blow his cover...what he is enduring now...is nothing compared to what tejji is planning for him if he ever finds maan or "maan"...

 
Oye hoye my lovely SYL - what a POV Wink yeah you are right babes but my issue is - there are other ways of saving his butt from difficult insulting situations without blowing his cover - she can be witty and save him that way right? Like Maan has done so many times!!! And it comes out really funny!
ooohhh...i see what you are saying deeWink...but what would she realy save him of?...so far all he has had to endure is some tongue lashing...over silly things...and he didn't even take that much of a beating...since he won the fight...the other guy got some broken bones...at least that is what it sounded like LOL...geet could not have done much inthat case either...


Okie what should say...let me give one simple exmapke,,,,,,,,remeber ...Sasha was lashing out at geet for sorry on letter...and MAAN came and change the topic and told her...to come with her for dictattion ...and than not gave any dictation rather was simling like moron...She can jump anywhere...distract their brother...lcuky who is moron...and distract biji and teji...with any of her nonsesne talk blabbering...so they leave ballu alone...
I strongly belive
...If there is will there is way...if she has strong will to do it...she will sureshot find way to do it...given Cvs want that...
 
yes, i remember that...and yes i guess geet could have come up with a distraction in the cases where maan was being tongue lashed...but why would that have been necessary to show that geet loves maan?...


..he is tight lipped as he is mere servent and will loses job...but this is not case with GEET given few word of wisdom in support a servent will not do any harm to her...but probably an attempt like this even if its not fruiful is worth try to save honor of your love...
..As I speck with reasons one more example ...In rasika case...Geet was tongue lashed but still he supported her...WHY?  to give...audience a strong reason to debate ...
...Not because he want to show that he loves her   ...Its because he loved her...
..Not to show  that she loves him...but because she loves him

i understand what you are saying completely...and it would have been worth watching to have geet come up with these distractions...however, there were cases when maan was mad at geet and let people talk down to her...i know i will have to do my research to back that up now LOL ...i feel like she oozes love for maan...little tiny gestures give it away...even maan is not buying her words...because her actions tell him otherwise...i do appreciate your thought process though...very well thought out Smile

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i think she doesn't react openly because she does not want to blow his cover...what he is enduring now...is nothing compared to what tejji is planning for him if he ever finds maan or "maan"...

 
Oye hoye my lovely SYL - what a POV Wink yeah you are right babes but my issue is - there are other ways of saving his butt from difficult insulting situations without blowing his cover - she can be witty and save him that way right? Like Maan has done so many times!!! And it comes out really funny!
ooohhh...i see what you are saying deeWink...but what would she realy save him of?...so far all he has had to endure is some tongue lashing...over silly things...and he didn't even take that much of a beating...since he won the fight...the other guy got some broken bones...at least that is what it sounded like LOL...geet could not have done much inthat case either...


Okie what should say...let me give one simple exmapke,,,,,,,,remeber ...Sasha was lashing out at geet for sorry on letter...and MAAN came and change the topic and told her...to come with her for dictattion ...and than not gave any dictation rather was simling like moron...She can jump anywhere...distract their brother...lcuky who is moron...and distract biji and teji...with any of her nonsesne talk blabbering...so they leave ballu alone...
I strongly belive
...If there is will there is way...if she has strong will to do it...she will sureshot find way to do it...given Cvs want that...
 
yes, i remember that...and yes i guess geet could have come up with a distraction in the cases where maan was being tongue lashed...but why would that have been necessary to show that geet loves maan?...


..he is tight lipped as he is mere servent and will loses job...but this is not case with GEET given few word of wisdom in support a servent will not do any harm to her...but probably an attempt like this even if its not fruiful is worth try to save honor of your love...
..As I speck with reasons one more example ...In rasika case...Geet was tongue lashed but still he supported her...WHY?  to give...audience a strong reason to debate ...
...Not because he want to show that he loves her   ...Its because he loved her...
..Not to show  that she loves him...but because she loves him

i understand what you are saying completely...and it would have been worth watching to have geet come up with these distractions...however, there were cases when maan was mad at geet and let people talk down to her...i know i will have to do my research to back that up now LOL ...i feel like she oozes love for maan...little tiny gestures give it away...even maan is not buying her words...because her actions tell him otherwise...i do appreciate your thought process though...very well thought out Smile


I do remember 2 incidence clearly you dont have to back up for that one was before Kurban Hua party when sasha fooled her...another CHopra party when MAAN was fooled by underestimating her mettle.  He was wrong that time when he lashed her out without listening to complete facts.

I cant support him for he was wrong I dont support wrong until myself convinced. He was wrong .

But wrong to wrong doesnt support any justification Does it? . Two wrong doesnt make one right if Geet is not doing right thing now for once he was wrong.  If you believe Geet is doing right thing to counter for all those wrong act .  Than I would definitely say you chose your path right or wrong and follow it according to your own vision.  Its all on judgment of individual, but according to me I respect and appreciate someone who stood for my self respect  (may be he too hurt me before it) and I will try to return that gratitude as soon as possible.
 I will try to remember his behavior pattern with me in chronological order   Like from recent to past  if his attitude changed from bad to good  or its other way round good to bad . On that My reaction will depend on his actions. From my point of view I expect Geet to do same. As I said its all my way if seeing thing ...I might be wrong for you but I am definitely right in my prospective


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Interesting post...I disagree with you though, even if I can understand your POV.

Irony of life is we never care nor value those who love us selflessly.

Firstly we can't really compare the two situations. Geet and Maan share a completely different sort of relationship from Tej and Pammi. Do we even know whether Pammi loves Tej? The difference in the relationships apart from love is that Maan and Geet have expectations from each other and have equality in their relationships.

Geet does care and value Maan. Maan's love has never been in question, its whether he respects her or not. This respect is very important to Geet because that is all she had at one point.

A relationship where only one partner is caring and loving other at receiving end will ultimately go through slow death. Valuing the importance of your other half and respecting is basic essential of any relationship

Just like love mutual respect is essential in any relationship. If Geet feels that Maan doesn't respect her, it will create an imbalance in their relationship and eventual disintegration.

His self respect is butchered everyday

Maan chose to join as Beeji's driver. If one makes a conscious decision, than their self respect is usually intact.

And Geet does feel pain at the way Maan is treated but the only way she knows how to respond is to tell him to go back because she fears her families reaction. I really don't know how else she is meant to react. Why would "Balwant" be treated any differently for Lachi or Yashpal? Its a totally different situation from the office scenes where Maan supported Geet, because he was the boss there where as Geet is a guest.

Her priorities are straight and simple to live for her family as compare to geet



Sorry I can't really condone Pammi's actions, even though I like her. She needs to speak up for herself (which I know is very difficult given her upbringing and society) otherwise she will be undermined forever. I think she needs to get her priorities fixed.



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kulls11...i guess the common theme through all of this is that this is a matter of perspective...believe it or not i agree with a lot of your main ideas for general circumstances...maybe i would not apply them to maaneets situation...but as fundamental thoughts they do seam right to me...



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Originally posted by maan-ki-sanjana

Interesting post...I disagree with you though, even if I can understand your POV.

Irony of life is we never care nor value those who love us selflessly.

Firstly we can't really compare the two situations. Geet and Maan share a completely different sort of relationship from Tej and Pammi. Do we even know whether Pammi loves Tej? The difference in the relationships apart from love is that Maan and Geet have expectations from each other and have equality in their relationships.

Geet does care and value Maan. Maan's love has never been in question, its whether he respects her or not. This respect is very important to Geet because that is all she had at one point.

A relationship where only one partner is caring and loving other at receiving end will ultimately go through slow death. Valuing the importance of your other half and respecting is basic essential of any relationship

Just like love mutual respect is essential in any relationship. If Geet feels that Maan doesn't respect her, it will create an imbalance in their relationship and eventual disintegration.

His self respect is butchered everyday

Maan chose to join as Beeji's driver. If one makes a conscious decision, than their self respect is usually intact.

And Geet does feel pain at the way Maan is treated but the only way she knows how to respond is to tell him to go back because she fears her families reaction. I really don't know how else she is meant to react. Why would "Balwant" be treated any differently for Lachi or Yashpal? Its a totally different situation from the office scenes where Maan supported Geet, because he was the boss there where as Geet is a guest.

Her priorities are straight and simple to live for her family as compare to geet



Sorry I can't really condone Pammi's actions, even though I like her. She needs to speak up for herself (which I know is very difficult given her upbringing and society) otherwise she will be undermined forever. I think she needs to get her priorities fixed.



Hey you again got me wronged...I never said their relationship is same when did I...All I said they both share common trait nowdays chose  to see their spouse being insulted,  Their relationship is different I know that...They are different I know...I mentioned that in my post
A relatioship is mutual so is self respect. Geet too questioned his self respect in front of media. But he forgave her on her heartfelt apology. So when he is repenting where is forgiveness. I have already addressed that issue in my write up not want to repeat it
Yes sure he can leave but for him love is bigger than self respect. And the way all other servent were treated were not right too. Thanks I would add from my next post why she is quiet in seeing other human being insulted on basis of sex or profession.
I compared priorities of two geet versus hers to say her priorities are straight and simple. Never did I said she is right. I definitely not want her to be like this doormat for forever. She need to learn to fight for her rights,,,,

Thanks for replying I know no 2 people cant have same vision of prospective, ...I am perfectly fine that you disagree with my post and I respect your decision and I expect same from other. Only point is I dont see things your way nor you see my way. But probaly we both are right in out own prospective.I dont question your way of seeing thing...as its your vision ..  Neither I hold any right to contest your  choice...

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