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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 5:31pm | IP Logged
Awesome episode! Though I almost wish it wasn't so rushed, just so I could really absorb it fully. But I guess the urgency of the situation was such, that things had to happen fast at this point. 

I loved the whole transition we saw from yesterday's episode to today's. From yesterday, Kala being totally in control of the situation, to the end of today...where she is just SO desperate and just on the verge of breaking down. Even though she has the gun in her hands, you can tell that Dutta is still the one in control. She has that desperation in her eyes...as if she is trying to hold on to every last bit of control she can still manage to have. 

Man the transition of emotions both AG and MR portrayed in the past two episodes!! ClapClap I have no words. I guess that's the magic of a perfect combination of two well written characters portrayed by two amazingly talented and in command actors. Clap

The moment I found so interesting...was when Dutta was pleading with Kala. I loved how AG acted there! There were slight tears in her eyes mixed with of course her hatred. There was just SO much going on with Kala in that moment. Dutta's words had a deeper impact on Kala there I felt than even Dutta was aware of. I loved how it was all so psychological at that moment. Dutta let Kala believe at that moment, that yes she was in control. He kind of added more fuel to her own delusions. Just so it would be even worse on her mental state when she looses control in the very next moment after. 

But what I also loved about that moment was how well Dutta really understood Kala. He knew her so well in that moment, better than Kala knew Dutta. The reason Dutta was able to get through to Kala like that, was because he knew her so well! He knew where her hatred for him stemmed from. The dialogue, "Tere pita ke hathyare ka beta tujhse keh raha hai" showed that. And as Kala watched her dad's killer's son kneel in front of her, I am sure she had that moment of triumph there. That is exactly what she had always envisioned would happen. 

And Kala of course was too overconfident as always. She thought she knew Dutta. She's always been successful in playing with Dutta's mind. Scheming things, getting her way without getting in any trouble all these years. And she really thought she knew Dutta well after all this time! She thought Dutta was still that lost guy...who couldn't always tell right from wrong. Who would still be powerless in front of his emotions...who couldn't deal. But she didn't realize that Dutta was now stronger than ever. His head was clear...and despite facing his sister, he knew what he had to do. Kala completely underestimated Dutta. She believed him when he said that he'd like to hug her one last time. She thought she had been successful this time as well, in playing with Dutta's mind...but instead it was Dutta who tricked Kala with the mind games this time. 

I really felt for both Kala and Dutta in that next moment where Dutta is holding that knife at Kala's neck. It was just so sad to see both of these characters in this situation. The dialogue of Dutta's, "Dekh tera ghamand tujhse kahan leke aa gaya Kala. Na tu apne pati ka pyaar samajh payi, na apni behenon ka, na Ayi ka, na apne BHAI ka." What a perfect dialogue! SO needed at this point! I really felt for both of these characters there. The fact that they were in this situation. Kala who was so blinded by her hatred to see the love her brother really had for her all these years. And Dutta being in such a situation where he was holding a knife to a sister he had always believed in all these years. 

And I just loved how MR/Dutta had more of a regretful expression than hatred almost. It was more that he felt sorry for Kala that she was so blinded by her hatred. This wasn't the Dutta who was angry at his other enemies. There was a sadness, a regret somewhere as Dutta was 'beating' Kala here. 

And the whole Geeta shloks added in to that scene were really impactful and needed I felt too. Since the whole point of that particular shlok from Mahabharata is having a clear aim towards what you are accomplishing. Not getting carried away in emotions. Which is exactly what Dutta needed to do in order to win over Kala. He need to really see her for who she was. He needed to understand her finally, which he does. Dutta realizes the extent of Kala's hatred, the reason for it, the implications of her actions because of this hatred and hence knows that what he is doing is the right thing to do. At this point, Dutta like an iconic hero, had a clear head. He knew what was right and what was wrong...and hence was totally in control. 

That contrast between Dutta who was in control as opposed to Kala who was slowly loosing it was really well done I thought. Thumbs Up

I loved the reunion too, though it was short. I liked the way Dutta hugs Naku...as if it was just the most natural thing to do...for Naku to run into Dutta's arms like that. I loved how there was no added drama/effects there. Just a simple hug. So natural and in keeping with the situation. 

But the best parts of the reunion were those of Dutta-AS and Dutta-Baaji's. Aww. That smile on Dutta's face! Day Dreaming This is what is SOOO amazing about MR!! How he was able to portray so many different relationship roles within this little reunion moment. With AS, Dutta's expressions were so childlike. He was a happy child to be in his mother's comfort...yet he was also a good son. A son any mother could be proud of at that moment. And with Baaji, again MR was totally different in his expressions when compared to Naku or AS. The body language was totally different and it should be also. LOVEDDD the way Dutta pats Baaji on the back like that. SO SO adorable! :)) And their smiles!! Awww! It had hints of playfulness, friendliness of course, loyalty and so much love. Aww. SUCH a sweet moment all around! :)

Suds of course had to keep ruining the moment by beech beech mein appearing. LOL LMAO at the unintentional comedy he provides. "Yeh Sudarshan ka waaaarrrr" ROFL Sudarshan at his best. :P Yay for Seema finally dying. I also loved that moment where Seema was all sorry Dutta I betrayed you again and Dutta's expression was just all, 'I could care less about you right now'. :P LOL Loved Dutta's indifference to Seema there. And Kala's dialogue there was hilarious too, "Teri mashuka na tere dhai minute waste kar diye" ROFL Even I was like thanks alot Seema, way to prove yourself to be useless as ever! LOL But then she proved me wrong by finally being useful at the end when she dies. LOL 

Loved Baaji beating up Suds too! Cool I loved how when Kala gets the gun, Baaji just gives Suds this one big push! ROFL As if that one push was just enough for Suds. :P LOL Awww Baaji getting shot in the foot! :( I was wondering why at the end Baaji didn't do another one of those phenko a pathar things he did with Suds. *soching* LOL Would've been a convenient way to get that gun off of Kala's hands too no? :P LOL Guess that stuff only works on people like Suds. :P 

And finally, Dutta with his "Der matt kar Kala, maarna hai toh maar mujhe!" Cool So totally in control as always! The expression MR was giving there of hurt, anger, being fed up, impatient...plus more that I can't put to words...just awesome! Even AG with her helplessness even THOUGH she has the gun in her hands. Clap Can't wait for tomorrow! :D 


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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 5:43pm | IP Logged

I thought the hug showdown was nicely done.....WHAT a contrast though and shift in dynamics....from Dutta backing away yesterday to him hugging her in today's episode......I guess they showed Kala's "foolishness" to highlight the smartness on Dutta's part LOL  LOL......we all know Dutta to be a powerful man but seeing that his weakness ultimately lies in his loved ones was quite a moment......amazing how he portrayed that fear when the kala gave the "phuljari" trailer LOL LOL  ..... and the "Brain freeze" he was having initially because of getting worried about his family... but then slowly conjuring ideas and being strategical  Cool Clap Clap 

And Suds lying around like a behosh gadha in the background was hilarious....ROFL ROFL and his "Dutta.... tu to gaya" ROFL 

The begging and pleading scene was VERY nicely done.......lots of emotions at play......loved how Kala raised those eyebrows in disbelief as if she did not see that coming from D......and Dutta did a brilliant job of really SELLING his "defeat" to Kala and loved how she fell for it too LOL.......so it might just be me but I saw a totally different side of Kala today......she was COMFORTED to hear Dutta apologizing and acknowledging himself as Damodar Patil's son.......a fact that she had been trying to embrace in everyone's mind.......and O man just when Dutta sat on his knees.....that first look of Kala's....just brilliant......there was no more of that mocking smile or grin but rather....this overwhelmed disheartened LOOK [ maybe I am just overlooking LOL ]......I thought I saw tears in her eyes too when Dutta was acting up and acknowledging his "defeat" and his LOVE for his sisters and family......what he told Kala about tying Rakhi, having considered her his sister in all honesty......I thought she was going to have a BREAKDOWN because she was finally getting the authoritative status that she had been craving for all these years.....yes she had been a guide to him but HE has always remained the POWERFUL one......and NOW seeing Dutta acknowing her POWERFULNESS, her COMMANDING authority in his life really took Kala by a shock......LOVED the scene......SUPERB Clap Clap

And Mishal like always just stole the show with his sheer screen presence, acting and the list goes on and on...... and the milnees with AS, Baaji...so genuine Day DreamingDay Dreaming

And everyone's expressions were good too except Madhu's...she had the weirdest ones out of the lot....and AS too....her "Haw, Hai, Haas" was a little too much....loved Baji's expressions though......changed very aptly with the changing situation....and FINALLY he is back in ACTION  Party Dancing

And YAYYYYY Suds ki more Tod Taad, Baaji ke Haath  ROFL ROFL 

And what was the point of all this Bomb Blast drama with landmines and all Confused when all that done was lighting up a "Phuljari" LOL LOL ....... I was expecting my dream to come true that I had envisioned yesterday but o well LOL LOL

RIP...Ms. Shiny Gudia.....Chaskar ki Chandani 


** EDIT: So I just saw this random iTunes add on the side of page and the tagline was.... 

" THE PAINS OF BEING PURE AT HEART"..... Now how APT is this line for DN and their relationship Day Dreaming



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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 6:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by komal_w25

The Mastermind Kala feared her death...something which didn't go down well with me..! 

Agree Komal...they wanted to end the episode on that precarious edge I guess, toh some bits had to be glossed over...the fact that she feared death makes sense because it's very human and there are no doubts about the fact that Kala loves herself too LOL...so in a completely helpless situation, she too would succumb to fear. The problem I think was that AG needed just about 30 seconds there  to get the transition from shock, awareness, fear and then hyperventilation in after Dutta twisted her arm. The sudden and instant fear seemed jarring, but I'm sure those transitions were delivered and just not captured or included because the portion with the arm twist was heavily edited. So though I would've liked to SEE it, we can still connect the dots ourselves as it makes sense in essence but seems to have been dropped in compensation for time...

Originally posted by khushix

btw, whats up with Dutta's plan being a 'hug'? first with Naku at d mandir..now Kala..LOL

This is Dutta's Plan A always LOL If you can't scare them, hug them CoolLOL

Originally posted by *dewdrop~pearl*

 Seema DYING for Dutta was overdue for a long time now. But Dutta was really depressed seeing Seema die Ouch. And I'm surprised Seema died without giving a "lamba-chauda" bhashan to Dutta about her love, forgivance for all her dhokas, etc......generally thats how it is in serials right ConfusedLOL?! 

Exactly what I was thinking too...ke MR's amazing 'sad' waale expressions are being wasted on such a character LOL Koi accha character hota toh we could've appreciated it more maybe...but no complaints at all...they got rid of Seema, itne mein hi we should be happy TongueLOL Triangle-wriangle sab hawa mein poof! Tongue ANOTHER article proved wrong LOL

Originally posted by neets_ltl

Glad Seema understood what betrayal means- I was hapring on about it 2 weeks ago. Brain cells in gear only a little too late. R.I.P- in hell. 
Hugs all around happy families, loved the shabaashi pats on Baji's back by Dutta. Loved Dutta's big grin. Bit too happy though considering the enemy wasn't down and out completely- complacency my friend is not good. Naku- where on earth is a doctor going to come from to aid Seema? LOL Pathetic dialogue considering the circumstances - lil harsh I know, but really, doctor D'ohSeema saying 'give him love'- well done, he kinda needs all of that now, considering the torture you supplied. I think thats it. Excuse the pace, may have missed out a lot, time is of the esscence. Brill episode, but thoughts regarding off screen issues were lurking in the back of my mind.

@bold: :rolls:

Totally agree on Nakku's crazy dialogue - PRAY TELL, why did they put that in there? ConfusedLOL Maybe it was just for the heck of it, to give Nakku something to say too? LOL WEIRDNESS.

Originally posted by preety_219

If anyone can put caps,i request a close up of Kala's face when Dutta gets up & comes toward her,she moves her hair with one hand.It was awasomely done by AG.It reminded me of that Sat. speci. epi. where she wipes her mouth with gun in her hand.

I lovedlovedloved those shots of AG...with her hair in a disarray because of the wind, so fantastically done indeed!

Originally posted by preety_219

 The precap gave me the feel that tommorrow we will again see MR & AG at their best when they will have the much awaited conversation.Already i could see tears building up in Dutta's eyes seeing his tai in such condition & Kala on the other hand looked like a person who is bordering on loosing senity.

Worddddd! I was bowled over with just a few seconds of the precap...how EMOTIONALLY hanging they both are...tears in both their eyes...this is the real psychological battle...who will be able to out do the other, keep it together and come out on top...MR and AG...what MORE can I say about them? :worship:

Originally posted by nureat01

Oh and the Kala-Baaji tussle for the gun.....man so much interaction b/w some of my fav. pairings in this show....lol....pleasant surprise....haha

Cherry on the cake in the episode for me...SmileDay Dreaming I couldn't quite believe that they actually put those two together in an altercation...Baaji getting shot was a GREAT addition too by whoever thought of it. THIS is what I meant by the fight having some casualties to raise stakes, add intensity, bring in the emotional factor...it shows just how much Kala has lost it too...not that she had it to begin with anyways LOL...but the fact that she shot Baaji in the leg, even if by accident...that just crosses the line of something that hasn't been 'crossed' before...


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Originally posted by make-believe

Triangle-wriangle sab hawa mein poof! Tongue ANOTHER article proved wrong LOL INDEEDLOL......Man, did that TC article get ANYTHING right??LOL What bomb? What dhamaka? What 24th?ConfusedLOL....hilarious.....really it seems NONE of these "news" articles EVER manage to get LTL's full storyline....LOL or the LTL "sources" and "birdies" just love to feed wrong info to these "news" pplLOL and then  change the storylines for the actual episLOL



Cherry on the cake in the episode for me...SmileDay Dreaming I couldn't quite believe that they actually put those two together in an altercation...Baaji getting shot was a GREAT addition too by whoever thought of it. THIS is what I meant by the fight having some casualties to raise stakes, add intensity, bring in the emotional factor...it shows just how much Kala has lost it too...not that she had it to begin with anyways LOL...but the fact that she shot Baaji in the leg, even if by accident...that just crosses the line of something that hasn't been crossed before...Totally....there were so many of these excellent touches in the epi I felt.....Baaji in a sense got his due after many days.....giving him that action bit with beating up Suds then jumping in to attack Kala as well as she aims the gun at Dutta...and yeah Kala shooting him was deffo that shocker that no one saw coming.....it crossed a line in a sense like you said....shaking things upLOL......Waise who will Nakku tell to call the doctor now that poor Baajirao himself is shot?LOL.....

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What's up dudes?! Hug x

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@ fatty: Novak Djokovic?! Like the eyebrow raise, but he has been beating Murray Angry LOL

Anyway, some people think it's silly of Naku to lose her mental balance, but why can't it work, why would it not be logical forgetting the implications of MR leaving? Is it not possible for a young girl madly in love, who has gone through so much to actually BREAK DOWN? Who knows in what mysterious circumstances Dutta disappears? Also, we don't know exactly know how long Tasha will spend together after getting 'rid' of Kala, if anything will happen between them, if you know what I mean ( I know I'm thinking A LOT here). So in that space of time, Naku's attachment with Dutta may be very strong? This is pure justification for her mental instability- otherwise I myself really don't like a track where Dutta played by MR goes poof in the air....and Naku goes mad....


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Posted: 23 March 2011 at 7:23pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by nureat01

Is LTL just a juvenile show with horrible writing, direction, etc. etc??

No one denies that MR is the heart and soul of this show but is it so easy to dismiss the great writing on this show otherwise?? It IS a well written show......some ppl may choose to blind themselves to that fact but it remains.....the dialogues are so well written many times.....exceptional....and EVERY actor in the lead cast has done justice to their role.....yes MR is the best of the lot but why dismiss everyone else??? I find that very narrow-minded and I wonder if ppl have even fully watched this show as a whole to understand all its nuances and what it's essence is.

LTL is unique in that it has melodrama but of the GOOD kind.....even melodrama requires a flair in presentation and I can't say the same for most shows on TV today.....at the same time, there is an art in the way they write, envision some scenes.....is it so easy to forget an 'ambar pe milte hain'?? That wasn't JUST MR....someone ENVISIONED that first too....MR lifted it to another level, but why dismiss the entire creative thought process behind it also?

To those who consider this show a joke overall....I say it's their loss and their tunnel vision that prevents them fully understanding the dimensions of this show and all the characters that come with it.

Totally agree with this post Clap Anu, time and again you and I have discussed how lucky MR was to bag the role of DUTTA, just as the show was lucky to bag him...a character so well-written, so complex, so intricate...this writing was what gave him the avenue to display the AMAZING range we have seen from him in the past year...so the people who sketched it, put words in its mouth and created all those situations to put him in...they deserve all the credit where it is due. They've had some absolutely brilliant writing on this show in terms of rhetoric and philosophy; in fact, I would say that they took something that could have been terribly below par, which actually would have been sacked within a few months (with the kind of premise they had and the way Indian telly works - on the basis of chemistry between good-looking leads), IF not for the tremendous writing they were able to do for this show in terms of character development...they made us love koyel Nakku, they made us root for her, feel for her. They made us love Dutta, so much that I doubt I even need to say it. They even made us love an ANNA! An actor can be absolutely great, but the MATERIAL has to give him or her something to tap into...and with LTL, that has been there...they've had hiccups, HUGE hiccups many times too, yet compare this show with ANY other that ran for the same time as yet and give me an example where the characters weren't totally butchered or there wasn't at least one leap to totally change their personality make up. There's not too many in the last decade that can boast of that, I think. Relatively, LTL has still managed to keep true to its essential characters and their inherent personalities despite all the glitches and problems...

Like you so wonderfully said...there is an art in the way they have envisioned and then executed some scenes in this story...and while there is that art, it is all done with the utmost sincerity and simplicity...they haven't needed jazzy glitter and glamour and high-handedness to create it...that, those scenes and moments, is what I hang on to LTL for. There's always phases when we've said the show has dragged and fizzed and tested patience immensely, but to call it a joke over all --- it'd be forgetting the highs in the midst of what we perceive to be lows...which is not fair at all to the entire team which has worked flesh and blood - writers, actors, technicians, all of them - into making this show...and it's not fair to something which you yourself loved as well, IMO, something that entertained you and kept you engaged and got you so invested -  to turn around and kick it down as all rubbish from beginning to end just because some things didn't pan out well or the show gradually declined, which is what happens with all things in life really...

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Originally posted by neets_ltl

@ fatty: Novak Djokovic?! Like the eyebrow raise, but he has been beating Murray Angry LOL

Anyway, some people think it's silly of Naku to lose her mental balance, but why can't it work, why would it not be logical forgetting the implications of MR leaving? Is it not possible for a young girl madly in love, who has gone through so much to actually BREAK DOWN? Who knows in what mysterious circumstances Dutta disappears? Also, we don't know exactly know how long Tasha will spend together after getting 'rid' of Kala, if anything will happen between them, if you know what I mean ( I know I'm thinking A LOT here). So in that space of time, Naku's attachment with Dutta may be very strong? This is pure justification for her mental instability- otherwise I myself really don't like a track where Dutta played by MR goes poof in the air....and Naku goes mad....


 
Exactly! It's a logical route to go down. I'm quite looking forward to how Mahhi pulls it off! It would be an eye-opener to those who believe she is just a pretty face and no actress LOL x

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