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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 5:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by msmarple

@Dreamygal nicely expressed.

"See I have this problem, we had seen RV and Avdesh become enemies and clashing so fiercely that their enimity should have lasted generations but in the blink of an eye, the whole enimity has been turned upside down. From december till early February, Avita were on the run from the law due to RV and now they are the best of friends. Avdesh all friendly and affable towards the man who had jailed and tortured his wife, the love of his lifeErmm......so my problem is, I find the episodes hard to watch because I kept expecting RV and Avdesh to draw their guns on one another due to all the unfinished business between them..... Except, the enimity now exist between Arpita and RV while our very own dear boy, Avdesh, remains obliviousConfused. How can he put is aside so quickly? if Cvs later show us that he has always been suspicious, again I will not accept that for we have no lead on to that as well.
 
That really does grate, he is the hero and yet he has been emasculated in many ways. I understand the suspense is greater, if RV toys with Arpis for she is the weaker of the AviTa jodi and is easily manipulated. But why is Avdesh trusting him and welcoming him into the family? surely not because his sister has gone to that home? so what? many a brother has married a sister off and really not given a toss to her family, so why turn everything upside down here? Not even a shred of wariness or keeping a close watch on him (except by bhootniClap)!!"


I have the same problem. I agree with you that for the CV's it was convenient to stretch RV's character and actions & that Avi the hero has been weakened in all this. They should at least have shown him being a little wary after all that RV did to Arpi in the past!!!!Ermm

In the recent episodes at times Avdesh looks almost like a prop ...with all the drama happening between RV and Arpita Avi sees nothing............filhaal usko Bhains Buddhi kehane mein Bhainson ka bhi apmaan hoga!!!!! The Bhainses  would have more intuition and brains than Avi is shown to have.D'oh

Dekhte hain aagey kya hota hai!


 
@ red - I have been seeing this for a while now. See my response to CB di, it is like the CVs cannot show him being nice and gentl but still savvy enough to know when people are playing games. He has gone from being a tough guy, trusting no one to being Avdesh, who trusts people on face without looking beyond or thinking about their character....So a middle ground needs to be found.
 
But I find it totally out of character for him to be so chummy with RV without a hint of suspicion, not necessarily about what Arpi is going through, because of his character.
 

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 5:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Dreamygal301

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as i said all i know abt othello is that its play by shakespear and i dont even want to ask google uncle what happend there and all r saying even omkara is based on tht
and i hvnt seen that
thts why brain is empty regards to these two connections

bhootni cud surprise a lot and im liking her character more lately..

@swamini and msmarple..
this point i try to defend saying avdesh hasnt really grown up and doesnt understand complex situation in relationship
for him he has experienced love first time and now this wud be a differnt take on the love he has for arpita

so thats why mayb cvs have made him total dumb to realise things

and let me tell u in reality also some ppl dont understand what other is going through ..  so i dont put blame on avdesh so much..


 
Di,
 
this is not about love. It is about Avdesh being wary...in fact as Bhaiyyaji he would not trust an enemy so easily. So why is he doing this here? it is like he has forgotten all that has happened...even if I can swallow that he forgives RV for jailing and torturing Arpi, how can he forget one of his friend/bro died due to RV?.......
 
With regards to his love, that only applies to Arpi and so I agree with you said but it can no way be stretched to RV. All I can think of is that we are being shown that he trusts Arpi so much, that he even thinks good of RV BY ASSOCIATION because she had pushed for the rishta, and also she has always been so wise when showing him the right path. This has now gone an extra step, in that Avdesh is sitting there all complacent, because Arpi is NEVER WRONG.
 
So CVs have two aim here. They want to shake up AviTA love, open Avdesh's eyes that even the person you love and trust, can be wrong and have clay feet and that though you may want to do well and lead a good life, there is always someone there ready to push off the right path. Most importantly, I think this will make Avdesh realise that he needs to find COMMON ground for both his sides -Bhiyyaji and Avdesh. That each side has qualities that he can use to lead the best life, not throw one off for the another - which is what he is doing now.
 
yes  i liked the BHAIYAJI's  character  who was always alert ......I find Avdesh too much in Awe of ARPITA


Edited by swamini5 - 16 March 2011 at 5:37am

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:09am | IP Logged
you know ,i dont care what are  CV  planning for us & what wud they have in their store  for us...

i want to say about avis prsonality that we have seen til now. according to me avdesh/bhaiaji  never decide & think in his life alone. as bhaiaji, always bahuji thought & decided  instead of bhaiaji ...

and  as avdesh  arpita thinks   & decides instead of avdesh...

he didnt  a independent  person. i dont like  say this but i want to avdesh/bhaiaji will  doubt  arpita & bahuji  for a short time  this makes it he thought a little  &  wud be come a mature  man!  of course in  brain not body...Confused
 

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:12am | IP Logged
hey di , wat an analysis of situation/track/cv's thinkingClap
relay,RV is that kind of character who can't face a strong opponent, so he always ready to use women socially when she is strength of that man whom he can't overpower,
thats y he always try to use arpi weather by torturing her in cell in front of him or at his back in disguise of relative.whom he can't insult Angry

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:48am | IP Logged
Originally posted by chista

you know ,i dont care what are  CV  planning for us & what wud they have in their store  for us...

i want to say about avis prsonality that we have seen til now. according to me avdesh/bhaiaji  never decide & think in his life alone. as bhaiaji, always bahuji thought & decided  instead of bhaiaji ...

and  as avdesh  arpita thinks   & decides instead of avdesh...

he didnt  a independent  person. i dont like  say this but i want to avdesh/bhaiaji will  doubt  arpita & bahuji  for a short time  this makes it he thought a little  &  wud be come a mature  man!  of course in  brain not body...Confused
 

 
Sarah, I know what you mean. It would be nice for Avdesh to think independently and of his OWN.Big smileLOL
 
In this respect, I think CB di is right, Avdesh is in love and with the idea of ideal love. So he is like a teenager in the first throes of love and cannot see beyond that. When he hears what RV did, his idealistic notion of love will shatter, in it's place will be the root of love that is pure but seen through the eyes of reality, as it should be.
 
Awww, it would be so sad to see him shattered, the scales coming of his eyes......

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 6:49am | IP Logged
Originally posted by joliefille

hey di , wat an analysis of situation/track/cv's thinkingClap
relay,RV is that kind of character who can't face a strong opponent, so he always ready to use women socially when she is strength of that man whom he can't overpower,
thats y he always try to use arpi weather by torturing her in cell in front of him or at his back in disguise of relative.whom he can't insult Angry
 
Hi Neha,Hug
 
RV is also very clever and wily. He has seen time after time the love and devotion AviTa have for one another and he knows he needs no other weapon. He has used the oldest tactic in the world, conquer and divide.....he thinks he has conquered Arpi, now is dividing AviTa which will render them weak......
 
Methinks a surprise, in the form of bhootni is waiting to break on his head!Big smileBig smileWink

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 7:05am | IP Logged
Dreamy, thanks for the lovely analysis. I really do not know the outcome for this current track but I'm praying that it does not end up like Othello, that gangster guy or the characters in the novel Gunahon Ka Devta. All of them have had a terrible outcome of either the death of the woman or the man. I really can't bear to imagine such an outcome after loving the couple for so long. I agree that we may be surprised by the outcomes of this tracks. Arpita will definitely be isolated for some time. But if that cheesy love letter by RV causes this separation, I will be infuriated. Even though, I know Arpi holds some blame, I would not suspect her (if I knew otherwise), just by reading this letter. Some moron and loser could have written it because he has a lousy love life. Also, RV could have found out about Arpi's missing mangal-sultra when he met her at the haveli. So, I don't think Avi will believe Bhauji until Arpi verifies the facts and admits the truth. Avi will definitely be hurt by this major revelation but he would not be torn for long. He is accustomed to harsh times and painful feelings. Avi will want to punish RV first and then he will confront Arpi. The major face-off of RV and Avi may lead one of them to be physically or emotionally hurt. Either they will be fighting physically to show male dominance and power. Or RV will open Bhauji's chamber of secrets and plant another seed of doubt in Avi. At some point, Avi will be avoiding the two most important women in his life when all secrets are revealed. He will then mature emotionally and mentally to fight back all sorts of threats. Avi will be capable of thinking for himself and making his own decisions. This track will lead to the groW*H of Avi and his decision to remain as a Gunda or a common man. Dreamy, I agree that RV  has ego in always being successful (this was due to his previous accomplishments before meeting Avi). He has excessive pride which will bring his great downfall and loss of trust from Tanmay. The best way to attack RV is through Tanmay and if Tanmay starts hating RV, he will know the emotion of losing a loved one. Also, Shika and Simple will play a role in defending Arpi and they will help her cope with her circumstance. Arpi is believing that Avi will always trust her actions and thus she does not fear suspicion. She will be shattered when Avi begins to doubt her and they might start questioning their love. I fear that Avi will hurt Arpi if he finds about the deal. He had physically abused Arpi when he was drunk and verbally hurt her with his sharp words after Arpi returned from  begging for his life at the police station. We know that Avi is capable of harming Arpi even if he greatly loves her. He may go back to his old ways of ignoring her which was how he treated her once they were married. Their isolation and separation will be like hell for Avita and heaven for Bhauji. Bhoonti will use this opportunity to get rid of Arpi and gain a stronger hold on Avi. I was actually surprised that she was worried for Arpi's life after the suicide attempt because she had wanted to kill Arpi numerous times. This shows that her character is not that evil and that Avi always comes first. She is aware of the significance of Arpi's potential death  and she wouldn't allow Avi to be as shattered as he was. Her character is very confusing at times because she seems like a mother for Avi or a rival for his affection. Ultimately, she cares for the well being of Avi but wants to keep him for herself like a mother unwilling to expose her child to the real world. We know that her other motive is to keep him due to her lusty thoughts but she seems to ignore such feelings at this moment of crisis. I hope Bhauji is intelligent to uncover RV's entire plan and protect the haveli from his evil ambitions. She is one character that I admire and hate. Her courage is admired but her evil desires are disliked. If she could get rid of her ambitions then she will be loved by many people. Sometimes, I feel that Avi may never find out about the true Bhauji if she changes her ways and acts like her lusty feeling never existed. This could be possible if she realizes the depth of Avita's love and sacrifices her own love for Avi's well being. However, this outcome may not be possible because Bhauji is very egoistic and she would not stop until she gets what she wants or is killed during the attempt. One way or another, the final outcome will be the death of Bhauji, either physically or mentally (her evil thoughts).

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 8:28am | IP Logged
Hi Sidda,Hug
 
I don't think we will have the same ending as Othello or even that gangster guy. My reason, is because indian tv have romance, family life and 'all is well' as their priority. No matter what, these aspects are prevalent and is always the winning formula. I think it's goes back to the indian mythology of good v bad, in many ways this eternal struggle is always at the core of Indian TV (if it was a film then yeah, I will worry...)....... So coming back to GKD, we will see Avdesh's redemption, his attainment of being a well rounded man who can think for himself when needed. At the moment, they are showing the basic character groW*H, first he was a gunda, going by his intincts without really thinking about anything just following order. Then we have him changing (for love) and now he is the opposite, so in tune with his feeling experiencing love and really not seeing anything else. Then we will see the third stage, where he realises that love is not all, it doesn't protect or stop pain. So we will see him uncertain, he will waver between his two persona - bhaiyyji and Avdesh. The final stage is when he takes his whole personality and moulds into someone that is wise, intelligent, controls his instincts but is ruthless when needed, loving and gentle when required. This whole package is the Avdesh we are waiting to see but we won't till later, for it is the end stage.
 
As for Bhootni, actually there is nothing confusing about her. Everyone  has noted that she is in essence the maternal figure in the haveli, even Avdesh turns to her in times of trouble, like a child turning to his mother figure. However, somewhere along the lines (this is my viewSmile) she became lonely and confused her feelings for Avdesh. It was fine as there wasn't anyone there to challenge this. Then along came Arpita and suddenly Bhootni was doing despicable things, which often went against her personality. In times of trouble or high emotions, watch her. She is always taking care, even of arpita, as her position in that house. Even now, the promo of her confrontation with Arpi re: the mangelsutra, to my eyes it was of one elder sister/jethani questionning the other because of the bond between them. And yes like it or not, Arpi and bhootni do have a bond, one willingly forged by Arpi and reluctantly accepted by bhoonti, no matter what. In this respect, I do really like Bhootni, she could have stringed Arpi along till she can hang her (metaphorically) but in this show, Bhootni has supported Arpi at times if not vocally, certainly by her action.

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