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Posted: 15 March 2011 at 11:42pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by nureat01

Originally posted by -Srushti-


As you said love brings out the best in each other and people like Kala who dont know what love is, bring out the worst in people...
In fact if you see... (this is a bit out of the topicLOL)...Kala and Dutta both are such charismatic personalities...they attract and hypnotize people it seems....But Dutta attracts people like Baaji, Nakusha,...Kala attracts people like Suds, Chaskar...and people like Seema who are more like fence sitters change as per the situation...with Dutta and Nakusha in her company..she had turned good..but the moment she came in contact with Kala, her inner selfishness boiled over the goodness she had nurtured during he few days with Dutta...Ouch


Oh wow, excellent point yaarClapClap.....I never realized that before but it's so true....truly both Dutta and Kala are amazingly charismatic personalities but Dutta attracts positive and good ppl to himself while Kala finds jokers like Suds and Chaaskar......lol....the best point was about Seema....how she was in a sense good until she was in DN's company....and as soon as she came into Kala's clutches, the other extreme....Kala's charisma brought out the opposite.....the little goodness there was made way for the stronger selfish aspects of her personality to come to the fore.....

Truly this show emphasizes the transformative powers of love and goodness.....even as they showcase the power that hate can have too....that constant battle.....but it's love and goodness that always wins and emerges stronger in the endSmile

Ohhh that's interesting. And so true. I really like that Seema example especially. Though I have no sympathy and respect for this character either way, regardless of whether she's positive or evil...but the point you guys raised puts her change of behaviour in perspective. Makes sense. I think this applies to all these pendulum or "be painde ke lotte" types of people. LOL Like Bhola JI and Ranga too now. They've also been inspired and touched by Dutta and have forgotten their evil ways. LOL I think that makes Dutta such an iconic hero that way. That he's able to inspire people like this. A true leader that way. Also makes Kala the perfect villain on the other end. Though goodness is always stronger of course so I can see Dutta will have more people supporting him in the end than Kala. 

Also I think this kind of shows how humans have selfish tendencies in them. And people filled with venom and hatred...like Kala can bring out these selfish tendencies even more. Just like with Seema, Kala has managed to remind her of her own wishes and desires. She has messed with Seema's head in such a way that it has caused her to become delusional and forget logic. And it's just like Kala too. She's so deranged and delusional that way when she thinks that she can control people's lives and always have it her way. Putting it in a bigger perspective, just shows how human nature is. And how complex and variable our psyche is. Even the best of people can be affected with these selfish tendencies which can cause us to loose our mind. We all have these negative and self-involved traits in us, but most of us are able to control and balance our emotions. But it's scary to think what could happen if our head was also messed with. And people like Kala who are at that maximum level of...'evil-ness'... for lack of a better word LOL, are now experts at being able to bring out this side in us. 

Kala was even able to mess with Dutta's head in the past. If he hadn't met Naku, he probably would've lost his mind even. What with Kala's venom and all the circumstances in his life...plus his own inability to deal. It's so fortunate that Naku came as a positive force in his life to help clear his head and remind him of the goodness he possess within himself. He has always had these hero-like, leadership qualities in him. And Naku has just enhanced that in a positive way so that now he is able to inspire many more people and bring out their selfless sides. Naku and people like Jagtap too, who taught Dutta how to trust. Because we all need to trust, have faith and have that human connection in order to BE human. In order to reason with ourselves and seek that goodness within us. Otherwise you would totally loose your mind and will be left alone in the end. Like Kala too will ultimately be all alone amidst all her venom and hatred. 

I just love how LTL brings all this insight into human nature too. That's true art right there. :)


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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 12:01am | IP Logged
*sigh* Just saw the episode.. Won't say much because I have to head off to bed.. But Dutta looked so troubled/pained when he shot Chaskar and Phattu.. Like that bullet also killed a part of him each time he took the shot. Like it was a necessary evil he HAD to do - he was helpless in the pain that he had to afflict, on himself and others.. And us k baad.. the entire time he just looked so pained. When he's hugging Nakku (a very badly edited shot by the way! Nakku suddenly grew 3 feet taller!) it was like he desperately needed her.. as way to comfort him from the turmoil he felt.. Bechara.. I felt bad for Chaskar and Phattu but I felt worst for Dutta. Not because Chaskar/Phattu were "evil" and deserved no less, but because Dutta (even though he was the "killer" in this scenario) looked so so so tormented by it.. *sigh* Bechara.. He didn't want to do it.. And I think a part of him was angry with Chaskar for leaving him no choices but this.. *sigh* I just feel bad for Dutta.. And for the way things turned out.. Ouch

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 12:41am | IP Logged
Originally posted by neets_ltl

It was very emotional seeing Dutta throw the gun away....I had a slight uneasiness in all honesty, seeing him kill 2 people like that. Perhaps because I have accustomed to Dutta the husband. Seeing him like that made me feel for him...so much lies ahead of him...so much he heard today from Chaskar about Kala's deeds. The way he faceplanted, got me thinking that he himself didn't want to get his hands dirty again....but it was necessary for revenge and to make it easier for himself, when the real battle with Kala hits him hard. This was nothing. He was well and truly overwhelmed. Sigh.

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*sigh* Just saw the episode.. Won't say much because I have to head off ot bed.. But Dutta looked so troubled/pained when he shot Chaskar and Phattu.. Like that bullet also killed a part of him each time he took the shot. Like it was a necessary evil he HAD to do - he was helpless in the pain that he had to afflict, on himself and others.. And us k baad.. the entire time he just looked so pained. When he's hugging Nakku (a very badly edited shot by the way! Nakku suddenly grew 3 feet taller!) it was like he desperately needed her.. as way to comfort him from the turmoil he felt.. Bechara.. I felt bad for Chaskar and Phattu but I felt worst for Dutta. Not because Chaskar/Phattu were "evil" and deserved no less, but because Dutta (even though he was the "killer" in this scenario) looked so so so tormented by it.. *sigh* Bechara.. He didn't want to do it.. And I think a part of him was angry with Chaskar for leaving him no choices but this.. *sigh* I just feel bad for Dutta.. And for the way things turned out.. Ouch

Totally agree with you both. SO well said! Clap Clap I loved the way MR enacted that part after he shoots Chaskar and Phattu. Shows how awesome he acted there, when he was able to convince us SO completely of how Dutta felt no? It was a mix of so many things. Dutta just looked so fed up and so angry at the fact that people like Chaskar and Kala were causing him to bring out that don side of his again. Especially in this phase where all he really wants is peace and moments with his family. Makes you feel even more for Dutta when on one side Naku is showing him a world of 'normalcy' with things like 'gaajar ka halwa' and all. She's letting him escape and dream of being home and with his family. And on the other side, he has to deal with all of this. 

 And of course that pain of being the cause of someone's death. This has always been Dutta's concern...and the reason for him being so hard on himself. He still gets upset at the thought of causing someone's death...even if he knows that it's the right thing to do. Even after all the people he's shot...and despite Chaskar deserving it...it STILL pains Dutta to do this deed. Ouch I think this is what brings out that irony in his character. Him being basically good at heart and having a conscience despite being a don. As much as I love the action and we need to see it also, I love that we get to see this side of Dutta's too alongside. And still feel for him as a character despite the action and the plot moving forward. 

And agree about the DN hug. Despite the editing, the hug was needed too I thought. Minus the filmy-ness of the hug and all too...but you could tell how badly Dutta needed Naku at this time. I got that 'home' feeling once again too. Brought continuity to that dialogue from yesterday where Dutta says that he wants to fight so that he can return home to Naku. This hug moment was him returning home to her. Because that feeling of returning home to Naku is what he needs to help him deal with the pain of being the cause of someone's death. That's what strengthens him again and also calms him down. 


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lolforever @ Dutta's expression when Ranga tells him to kill Bhola...he was totally thinking 'ahhhh, na ghar ke, na ghaat ke...aukat pe aagaye' LOL He was a cool customer throughout Clap And then when the fighting started ek dum se, all the bholus tied to the wall were like 'Oh NOES' Stern SmileLOL Waise skinny sa Bhola turned out to have some skill after all...and Ranga ke muscles are totally for show only LOL

Chaskar's entry was hilarious...'Wowww, wowww, woww, Dutta Bhao' CoolLOL Like seriously, who else but Chaskar would say something like that? LOL This guy is honestly such a joker...loved his 'heart to heart' with Dutta...MR's voice modulation once again stood out so much and Ved Thappar as always acted very well! A nice send-off with enough time for explanations! :yeah: And big props to them for the fact that they made Dutta deal with Phattu too and didn't just conveniently choose to make him disappear into thin air...though he wasn't a significant character, it's great to see them give due and tie up ends, even for a 'sidekick'...speaks for a good show of continuity.

Line and moment of the episode...Dutta's face upon getting the gun in his hand and the dialogue about the diamonds Clap I know we say it everyday, but seriously, what MR emoted when he got the gun in his hand, started flashing back and eventually shot them was AMAZING and it truly took me aback to see such a display on his face :worship: And the fact that they did the tie-back with the diamonds...the first time Chaskar had betrayed Dutta...loved it Clap 

Something I found interesting...what Bhola was to Ranga is what Phattu was to Chaskar, yet both the 'duos' broke up and betrayed each other in this episode...I was already thinking of it when Ranga turned on Bhola, but seeing Phattu try to sneak away for his life after Chaskar is shot only highlighted it more for me --- didn't this totally say something about DuJi? The fact that they managed to stay with each other throughout and are up for giving their lives for the other's sake in such a dirty business? It heralded what Dutta and Baaji have and what they are ready to do for each other that these other chindi chors never will Clap

The directing and editing were great as well. I didn't feel that the pace was rushed...it was right on the mark actually...not too much, and neither too little. And I thought the hug was so cutely kiddish with how they swung around :awww: :inlove: A+ from me on all accounts Mr. Green


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@Fatty: Tell me something...did MR get a haircut in the Chaskar fight scene?
Btw that scene had been shot with MR's body double partly.

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 2:03am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Pyari_Zahra

Mourning for Phattu Cry x

Originally posted by neets_ltl

Let us take a minute as we remember the deceased.  Stern Smile 1 of the most memorable characters ever for a cameo to hit our screens, and his sidekick in an orange shirt, who got toppled over by a barrel.....................ROFL 

Oh, you guys LOL

Originally posted by -Fivr-

*sigh* Just saw the episode.. Won't say much because I have to head off to bed.. But Dutta looked so troubled/pained when he shot Chaskar and Phattu.. Like that bullet also killed a part of him each time he took the shot. Like it was a necessary evil he HAD to do - he was helpless in the pain that he had to afflict, on himself and others.. And us k baad.. the entire time he just looked so pained. When he's hugging Nakku (a very badly edited shot by the way! Nakku suddenly grew 3 feet taller!) it was like he desperately needed her.. as way to comfort him from the turmoil he felt.. Bechara.. I felt bad for Chaskar and Phattu but I felt worst for Dutta. Not because Chaskar/Phattu were "evil" and deserved no less, but because Dutta (even though he was the "killer" in this scenario) looked so so so tormented by it.. *sigh* Bechara.. He didn't want to do it.. And I think a part of him was angry with Chaskar for leaving him no choices but this.. *sigh* I just feel bad for Dutta.. And for the way things turned out.. Ouch 

Hmm...I think it's something that's supposed to make us feel bad as you very much are no, Fivr? Hug More than anything though, I thought it was a stroke of GENIUS to capture that and not just coldly show Dutta killing and moving on Clap...stuff like this is what gives dimension and dynamics to characters, it makes them HUMAN, into puzzles and anomalies rather than caricatures. What MR showed in those few seconds right there...that 'struggle' to kill and then the backlash of self-hatred and disgust yet helplessness...guilt, pity, need, remorse...we've heard of it from Dutta before, how the blood on his hand reigns and haunts his mind, but to see it was just something else...and at such a stage too, when he so obviously has the most difficult opponent yet to face, his own sister...I must say it was a downright brilliant addition Thumbs Up 

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Posted: 16 March 2011 at 2:11am | IP Logged
Originally posted by kshreya2002

@Fatty: Tell me something...did MR get a haircut in the Chaskar fight scene?
Btw that scene had been shot with MR's body double partly.

Hmm, I just saw the body double! Don't think he got a haircut...still untidy at the back...


But the sideburns look cleaner than before Confused


I think he might get a PROPER one for the confrontation against Kala Bai CoolLOL Hopefully.

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How weird is this...he is pretty much completely shaved in the last picture above, but there's stubble here...seems like they shot this scene over two different days...

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