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Guddu & Runjhun - Akandhya Sobhagyavati

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 9:53am | IP Logged
Akandhya Sobhagyavati is a blessing given to married couples in the hindu culture that translates to "Live Long & Stay Married Forever"

To me there were two main significant scenes in today's episode. One Runjhun consoling herself that she will forever be alone, and she should get used to it. I think it signifies that after today Runjhun will finally be with someone who won't let her be alone. Someone who has the potential of truly being her significant other half. Someone who has the potential to make Runjhun feel like she belongs and ease the need to be loved.

Second the third touch when Runjhun in a way senses something. Just like in the temple she sensed the voice.

I think Runjhun can feel Guddu's presence...not meaning that she knows it is Guddu but I think she has this sort of awareness of Guddu. It is not necessarily a sense of happiness but something that makes her wary. I'm not saying its deep down love or something that would be masochistic on Runjhun's part. Just that there is a sense of connection regardless of what that connection might be...

Monday brings the promise of the wedding being completed. Guddu despite not having the intention to marry Runjhun marries her. He goes through the sacred vows and so does Runjhun. Runjhun, of course, not realizing that it is Guddu that she is marrying, even though her intuition and senses hint to it.

The third touch signifies the "daan" of Runjhun to Guddu, as his responsibility. The first touch was a claim, the second touch was asking for a blessing, and the third signifies the receiving of the blessing for both of them.

What follows is then the sindoor and mangalsutra (don't know in which order). The sindoor is for good fortune and longevity of the groom, and the mangalsutra is a statement of the groom's protection, here Guddu's of Runjhun.

I think Usha mentioned before that regardless of what Runjhun might feel she has been tied to Guddu in marriage. To her she has always valued vows and promises as important, and in that matter Guddu has always also committed to most his promises. So it would be curious to see Guddu and Runjhun adhering (if they do) to their wedding vows.

In the preview Guddu says he can't give Runjhun happiness, he can do anything else but give Runjhun happiness. I don't know if he says this in lieu of his own enmity with Runjhun or the fact he knows that he and Runjhun have a mutual dislike for each other so he can't even hope to give happiness. Though the vows do not ask for happiness not directly. The groom and bride don't promise happiness directly.

The first promise is to share the happiness the receive in life and the pains equally. This doesn't say that they will make each other happy but rather they will find their own happiness in their respective partners happiness and the same applies to when their respective partners are sad or in pain. So while he doesn't have to promise to make Runjhun happy will he keep his vow in sharing her pain? Will Runjhun share in Guddu's happiness even if it means it would be painful to her? (Does it feel like I'm going in circles?)

The second promise is to love and protect each other. I don't think either of them will be able to love each other automatically because they are married, but you don't need love to be protective. Would Guddu feel obligated now to protect Runjhun despite what he feels for her? He knows to some extent that the Pandeys don't treat Runjhun in a good manner but till now he's never bothered to care (he's not happy that Runjhun is treated badly despite hating her but mostly it hasn't been his concern) So will it begin to matter now?


The third promise is to grow together and trust each other. The fourth promise is to try an lessen the suffering of each other. Again this two ties in to what I've already said. You might not love someone but you can respect them and trust them. Similarly you don't have to make person happy but doesn't mean that you will make them unhappy either.

The fifth promise is the to tend to each others needs and remain faithful. Runjhun by default has always tended to other people's needs even before her own. Will Guddu finally be someone (besides Amma) who puts Runjhun's needs before anyone else's, maybe eventually his own too? Guddu places his mother's needs above everything else, which shows that eventually there is the chance where it will be the same when it comes to Runjhun. As for the faithful aspect, this is one thing that I know Guddu and Runjhun won't stray from regardless of their feelings for each other.

The sixth promise is the to live within their means and spiritual wealth. As we all know both Guddu and Runjhun are simple so I don't this is a problem for either. They've really never wanted more than they can have and sometimes even less than what they truly deserve. The final promise is the to stay married to each other till death do them part.


Sorry this post is as big as a written update but I think it will be interesting to see Guddu and Runjhun to commit to their vows of marriage, despite the lack of love and maybe happiness in the beginning.



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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 10:12am | IP Logged
Love ur post!!
I think if I am not mistaken, the decision to sit at the mandap in place of the real dulha was G's alone, noone influenced him -vishnu, or Amma or LM-that was good.  He decided himself. Even though the decision was a result of his helplessness towards his situation.  
I can't wait to watch LM reaction on Monday, there goes his lottery ticket, his 20% commission for life.  Wonder what he'll do next, try to be G's friend?  Vishnu might think he can control G since G owes him money now.  Anyways, back to the topic.  I think perhaps what he says concerning not being able to keep R happy might be from the fact that he knows R finds him disgusting, & he did what he did out of desperation, out of his helplessness,  he is not thinking about what others might think, as he said in his one shot monologue, he has to save his mother's life at any cost!  I think he did what he did out of helplessness & for his mother's life, similar to R's situation, she was willing to go through with this shaadi for Amma's happiness, she was also helpless.  So we have two characters who were in a helpless situation motivated by their love for their Ammas to go through with whatever fate presented to them.  
I think this is a terrific basis to begin the story of the Bhagonwali, bcause so far to me the story has focused on the illtreatment of the Bhagonwali by her relatives.  Now the story has to focus on the Bhagonwali herself.  How she will define her own destiny.  Since she is married now, wouldn't her luck go to her husband??? 
As far as G/R go, hope the writers show a development of their relationship & not rush into anything.  
Also, I think G might first hand learn from observing how ill the relatives are treating her&AMMA.  (But at the moment he is concerned about his AMMA.) 
Who knows he might not need the money now since there is the arrival of an American cancer specialist, maybe the American can do a pro bono surgery on his mom.  


Edited by EcliPSe_2010 - 11 March 2011 at 11:23am

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 11:50am | IP Logged
One word Wafah my dear .... WOW .... 

I'm sending a lot of virtual hugs your way ... Hug

Totally bewitched by your post about how this marriage of 'obligation' for both R & G could  develop .....

First off .. like Eclipse, I think, G does not promise Amma to 
keep R happy, simply becos , he knows how deep rooted her dislike of him is and how he thinks he can never make her happy .... 

But again like you said the vows dont ask for happiness directly. 

So like you've explained R & G will, out of their good inherent nature dutifully follow every vow and that would finally result in happiness for the two of them ..... even though that would take some time !

Going off track a little here... remember the dialog from SRK's Om Shanthi Om :

Kehte hain agar kisi cheez ko dil se chaho to
saari kayanath tumhe usse milane ki koshish me lag jaati hai 

Tweaking that a lil bit here .... As Gunjhun are meant to be one every thing will conspire to get them together ! 

And we got our wish of a proper wedding ... with all rituals, G in a Sherwani ... looking awesome ... LOL .... Poor Runjhun ... she was shocked ... I'm surprised she didn't faint LOL ... then again, I suppose she sensed G ... from that touch ... ! 


Edited by rusha4003 - 11 March 2011 at 11:51am

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 12:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by EcliPSe_2010

I think if I am not mistaken, the decision to sit at the mandap in place of the real dulha was G's alone, noone influenced him -vishnu, or Amma or LM-that was good.  He decided himself. Even though the decision was a result of his helplessness towards his situation.  
  

Agree totally to this Eclipse ... I'm glad Guddu took the conscious decision of going thru with the marriage ...... whatever the reason ... he decided to marry R ,... and that is a great thing for us !Smile

As far as R is concerned, she too has decided to go thru the wedding for Amma's sake, without giving any thot to the groom ... 

So both get into the marriage knowing fully well what that entails !

And like Wafah explained, it'll be a treat to watch these 2 unconsciously follow every vow, eventually leading to them falling in love with the person they married !


I only wish the CVs take this forward nicely and give us a logical progression in Gunjhun's story !

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 2:18pm | IP Logged
What a beautiful post Wafah!Clap
And i agree with everything that all of you have said here.......i am so happy that they are married now, i literally have a smile in my face LOL
and about that thing tht guddu said that he can never give runjhun any happiness, i hope he doesnt mean that he hates her so he will not keep her happy bevasue then he can also take his revenge,,,okay all these things aside and let's be happy that they are married now, I just hope Runjhun can bear this!!!
Again great post Wafah

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 5:22pm | IP Logged
hey wafah di...
Awwwesum post di..luv it
But i wanto ask u 1 Qes its stupid one but still how do u know all this i mean not this post but all ur pure hindi relatd post i mean d big big words n now d vows ...???
Cumin bck to d topic....

I soooo agree wid u all
i hope wat guddu said bout cant keep runjhun happy doent mean hes goin to hurt her....i hope it means that seh cant b happy wid him as she hate him n dislikes him....
I just hope he doesnt treat runjhun badly after marrige like d mamas n mamis ...

Hope now d cvs make their track more intrestin ...

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 6:53pm | IP Logged

Originally posted by Wafah

Akandhya Sobhagyavati is a blessing given to married couples in the hindu culture that translates to "Live Long & Stay Married Forever"

Wafah,
  Very well written post as usual Tongue, but just the 1st line needs slight correction.
"Akhanda Saubhagyavati Bhav" is a blessing given to the newly wedded bride and not to both. It is in Sanskrit.

'Akhanda' meaning "all". 
'Saubhagya' means "100 fortunes" just meaning to say "many". 
'vati' is referring to the feminine gender and 
'Bhav' means "You be". 

So, "Akhanda Saubhagyavati Bhav" referring to the bride is wished - "O dear lady! May you have all of the 100s of fortunes that are there in this world." In simple terms it is a wishing so she (bride) has all the prosperity through her life.

To me there were two main significant scenes in today's episode. One Runjhun consoling herself that she will forever be alone, and she should get used to it. I think it signifies that after today Runjhun will finally be with someone who won't let her be alone. Someone who has the potential of truly being her significant other half. Someone who has the potential to make Runjhun feel like she belongs and ease the need to be loved.

Will comment on this after watching the show. Smile

Second the third touch when Runjhun in a way senses something. Just like in the temple she sensed the voice.

I think Runjhun can feel Guddu's presence...not meaning that she knows it is Guddu but I think she has this sort of awareness of Guddu. It is not necessarily a sense of happiness but something that makes her wary. I'm not saying its deep down love or something that would be masochistic on Runjhun's part. Just that there is a sense of connection regardless of what that connection might be...

I agree, she definitely senses his presence and is wary of him. I also have been noticing their sense of connection right from the 1st time they have looked at each other. There was always some undefined relation between them.

Monday brings the promise of the wedding being completed. Guddu despite not having the intention to marry Runjhun marries her. He goes through the sacred vows and so does Runjhun. Runjhun, of course, not realizing that it is Guddu that she is marrying, even though her intuition and senses hint to it.

This is most beautiful part of the story till now for me. The part where they get into a wedding with all the rituals, following all the customs, taking all the vows, in the presence of elders, with their blessings throughout the wedding (For me Amma's blessings is more important than any, but they get LM and his wife's also as a bonus) , amidst the chanting of prayers. What more can we ask for? Plus he is dressed up as a groom and she as a bride. Guddu might not have seen any other option, but he is doing it with full senses and knowing fully well whom he is marrying.

On the other hand, though R senses his touch, she no way expected it would be him. That is kind of sad though I don't think she wanted to marry Shashi or she loved Shashi, but it definitely is shocking to her and more so bcos she right now thinks there is no one ruthless than G.

The third touch signifies the "daan" of Runjhun to Guddu, as his responsibility. The first touch was a claim, the second touch was asking for a blessing, and the third signifies the receiving of the blessing for both of them.

This is the most beautiful part of the post. How beautifully written, Wafah.
Whether the story writer had any intention of telling his story this way or not, I have no clue, but unintentionally it turns out so beautiful from the way you have pointed out and I agree to it. The progression is so beautiful just that it is so parched !!!!! ( I mean it is like 3 rain drops in desert !) 

What follows is then the sindoor and mangalsutra (don't know in which order). The sindoor is for good fortune and longevity of the groom, and the mangalsutra is a statement of the groom's protection, here Guddu's of Runjhun.

I don't know how much of the marriage was done today. I would definitely want to see the Saat-Phere where they take their vows. But looks like the Dulha is going to keep mum for the vows and just nod his head ... otherwise he would reveal himself before the entire wedding ceremony is complete. LOL

I think Usha mentioned before that regardless of what Runjhun might feel she has been tied to Guddu in marriage. To her she has always valued vows and promises as important, and in that matter Guddu has always also committed to most his promises. So it would be curious to see Guddu and Runjhun adhering (if they do) to their wedding vows.

adhereing to marriage vows?! Oh! they will.Big smile No doubt about it LOL

In the preview Guddu says he can't give Runjhun happiness, he can do anything else but give Runjhun happiness. I don't know if he says this in lieu of his own enmity with Runjhun or the fact he knows that he and Runjhun have a mutual dislike for each other so he can't even hope to give happiness. Though the vows do not ask for happiness not directly. The groom and bride don't promise happiness directly.

It is the latter in my opinion. He thinks that she dislikes him and I think even he dislikes her very much. So, when 2 people dislike each other so much, he thinks there is no way one would be happy with the other.

The first promise is to share the happiness the receive in life and the pains equally. This doesn't say that they will make each other happy but rather they will find their own happiness in their respective partners happiness and the same applies to when their respective partners are sad or in pain. So while he doesn't have to promise to make Runjhun happy will he keep his vow in sharing her pain? Will Runjhun share in Guddu's happiness even if it means it would be painful to her? (Does it feel like I'm going in circles?)

Initially I don't see any sharing happening from both for either in happiness or sadness. It will start gradually. 1st happy news would be of his mom and I would like to see if he shares that with her.

The second promise is to love and protect each other. I don't think either of them will be able to love each other automatically because they are married, but you don't need love to be protective. Would Guddu feel obligated now to protect Runjhun despite what he feels for her? He knows to some extent that the Pandeys don't treat Runjhun in a good manner but till now he's never bothered to care (he's not happy that Runjhun is treated badly despite hating her but mostly it hasn't been his concern) So will it begin to matter now?

G does know R is not treated well by her relatives, but I am thinking the ill-treatment by M&Ms might happen when he is not around. So, it might take time for him to realize to what extent she is getting ill-treated. 1st he might show his indifference and gradually he may feel her pain. And that too depends how she is going to let him peek into her share of pain. She has to either trust him enough or he might have to take charge.


The third promise is to grow together and trust each other. The fourth promise is to try an lessen the suffering of each other. Again this two ties in to what I've already said. You might not love someone but you can respect them and trust them. Similarly you don't have to make person happy but doesn't mean that you will make them unhappy either.

The fifth promise is the to tend to each others needs and remain faithful. Runjhun by default has always tended to other people's needs even before her own. Will Guddu finally be someone (besides Amma) who puts Runjhun's needs before anyone else's, maybe eventually his own too? Guddu places his mother's needs above everything else, which shows that eventually there is the chance where it will be the same when it comes to Runjhun. As for the faithful aspect, this is one thing that I know Guddu and Runjhun won't stray from regardless of their feelings for each other.

That is true. There will be no straying on either's side.

The sixth promise is the to live within their means and spiritual wealth. As we all know both Guddu and Runjhun are simple so I don't this is a problem for either. They've really never wanted more than they can have and sometimes even less than what they truly deserve. The final promise is the to stay married to each other till death do them part.


Would definitely looking forward to their married life. How they grow to trust each other and share the joys and pains with each other.Big smile Hopefully serial would run till then LOL

Sorry this post is as big as a written update but I think it will be interesting to see Guddu and Runjhun to commit to their vows of marriage, despite the lack of love and maybe happiness in the beginning.

I didn't feel it long when I read, but when I am replying I really felt it long and am really tired.LOL

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Posted: 11 March 2011 at 8:46pm | IP Logged
Thanks for correcting me, Bee. I learn something new everyday.

Tehzeeb, I like learning about cultures and rituals so things like these fascinate me so I read a lot on them and such. Besides Sanskrit is such a beautiful language...much like Latin. Even simple words feel like poetry...


Bee it was long...I got tired writing it myself...and towards the fourth I was like why are there so many vows LOL My brain rambles and my hands get tired of the ramblings and feel lazy...I'm glad my brain doesn't have the ability to type....


Today as I watched the episode I felt a sudden calm, especially after it ended. I'm excited about Monday but I'm not impatient anymore. No more guessing and speculating...now its just watching and enjoying and savoring every moment.

Guddu and Runjhun's connection has been from the start for me too. even though they don't have a lot of romance cliched scenes, which does leave you wanting for more, but that's what makes those water drops in a parched desert even more precious. I love their slow developments.

I'm glad that Guddu & Runjhun got married with all the proper rituals. It makes it even more important and sacred. Hopefully the future brings more promise and love...
*fingers crossed*


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