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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:00pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by velvetscarf

I agree to all yr points - very realistic & practical as well as demonstrating a sound understanding of psychology (dharmesh's)
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SmileSmileSmileThanks velvetscarf . Normally ur silent member arent u ?

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:06pm | IP Logged
Hey Kools,

Super, caught your commentary between meetings, big issue at work blowing up, working crazy like for 17-18 hours a day, but your commentary I do not miss. i find the 10 minutes to read. Thanks for doing it even when the show is so ......

I agree with everything you said. This show is not about teaching self reliance and motivating the aam janata, this is to entertain the bored folks who need time pass in their life. so we do not need to take it seriously too (I say this when i have myself taken it seriously and argued). 

What is good that folks coming on the forum atleast are thinking and you are adding to the thinking with your wisdom. Some like it, some don't but that will always be.

So stay true and don't give up. you bring joy to many...

Take care.. Anjali

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:06pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Kalapi

kool...ur commentary is so right......I think the problem with us Indian is that we always think money is a bad thing to want and so being materialistic is bad.

 

When I first started living in the West...I always thought that how people were so materialistic to want and will openly say that they want more money or a higher salary in lieu of job satisfaction or anything else.....it was like wow is money so important. But as I started living here I realized that people in the West are just true to themselves more than we will ever be. Meaning that we at the end do want to live better...have a lot of money, cars houses , jewelry etc etc but will never be forthright in our want....as if saying that we want money will make us instantly bad....See u r so right when u say everything cost money....Being a doctor/lawyer/ going to business schools -  all cost money and people who lacks money will in some way lack  education and will miss out on their opportunities to earn and get a good life....what is smart about that.....and it is so true ;  can you really achieve anything on empty stomach and can you really achieve anything in life without higher education. Simply can't understand the rationale to accepting poverty and consequently lack of education that cycles backs to more poverty...beats me Ouch

 

 
The thing is , They cannot distingush between real self respect and ego . Living off Manju is more shameful than demanding ur right from Dharmesh . Manju is a third party , not even related by blood and clearly doesnt want ANY responsibility . Staying like a leech on her back and eating her salt enduring HER kicks is OH SO SHAMEFUL . Dharmesh is entitled to pay up coz she invested the best days of her LIFE in his sham of a marraige . He OWES it to the child . Taking that money , setting up seperate house , giving the child the best education and at the same time doing ur own self development too is the answer ............not living off Manjju .

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:07pm | IP Logged

Clap Kool in a fighting form.......or should I say spirited????

You spoke very strongly about hunger and empty stomach and principles and self-respect and idealism are possible only in a satisfied and fully fe body......
 
While, you make a very convincing argument, and many will possibly buy it.......It is still the easy way out....It is still the only option that you are choosing for Vaishali.....
 
See, the CV's are thinking ahead of you.....They are showing you cinematographically, what lays ahead for Vaishali, possibly....You are only seeing things one-dimensionally......Money is the only thing that rules in your argument......You are closing all and any doors for Vaishali.....
 
Remember, this is a b*****d child......so, rights, visitation, father's love, both parents, father's  name.....are all idealistic.....the label that will stick will be b*****d......
 
In the western world, we see these kind of punishments.....MONETARY......and you see how that entire society has evolved........People are scared to get married......they avoid it....or they enter into contracts before the marriage......everyone is scared of being sued.....so the doctor doesn't diagnose exactly, leaving a way out.....each and everywhere, you see a WAY OUT......an avoidance of taking onus or responsibility..... Its a totally materialistic society.......where a parent SUES for its child's death in MILLIONS - which is considered JUSTICE......
 
Justice cannot be measured only monetarily......Justice is done only when there is repentance and guilt for one's own mistakes, so that the person is reformed and does not repeat the same thing......
 
I still believe that losing his entire family, friends and name in society - itself is a big punishment for Dharmesh......Maybe, Madhuri will not be able to concieve again, so losing Varun and Madhuri will be the final loss for him....He will be all alone......Simply saying that taking his money means he will NOT do it again or that he will think twice is something which is questionable.......If Dharmesh is a truly black person.....he will make it his vendetta against women - and get married to another rich woman for HER money??????????
 
You discard Vaishali so easily as unable to take care of herself...... She had just finished college, if I remember correctly, so her not working was not a choice or anything.....She got married after college......Does not mean she is NOT capable......I have an MBA, and am a housewife......I choose to be one.....does not make me any less capable in my own opinion.....
 
You have again chosen to show the characters in a way that it suits your argument......
Archana: Manav wants to support her himself......right now, if she asserts herself, then it will affect his ego and their early marital relations.......I think, she is right in simply being a wife as of now.....Many women would choose this route, since it is one of adjustment and marital harmony
 
Varsha: She was shown as rude, brash and outspoken right from the beginning......So, she had an affair, which almost broke her marriage......she couldn't understand the importance of being a mother and her brashness and impulsiveness have already punished her for life.....The CV's are not showing her to be a villain....they are simply showing how a person can ruin paradise, if they are immature and brash......
 
Manju: She is the villain, who uses the small powers she has (her salary) to wreck others lives....Many people in life fit this category.....can't say that the CV's are creating a villain simply BECAUSE she is earning.......
 
 
On the whole, I think that you have started wanting to think like or for the CV's.......so that there is no analysis of your own.....Just because YOU THINK they will not show Vaishali capable, you are closing all her avenues......I think that is wrong.....
 
I am not saying that taking child support or taking Dharmesh to court is wrong.....what I am saying is that it is not the ONLY option.....also the manner in which you presented this option is incorrect or disagreeable....atleast to me.....
 
Each person will think and react to a situation, based on their own experiences in life......which is why we have differing views and points.......However, some things should always be right and some things always wrong......
 
Vaishali has a full family.....All families have their faults.....but in times of problems.....they rally together.....which is what family is all about....
 
The parents have a house in Mumbai.....worst case scenario they can sell it or rent it and live in their hometown on that money.....till such a time as this crisis is over......Vaishali can bear the child and thereafter look after them financially......Now, don't shoot it down, since I know of many women who do support their parents and very well too.....In a matter of a few years, Vaishali can work/study and get  good salaried job......In Mumbai, even today, call-centre jobs are easily available and do pay decent salaries for more than SURVIVAL......Just options......there can be many such options......She can do Tuitions (Sulochana can teach Marathi to children), alterations of clothes can earn a person 8-10000/month / Manohar can do some part-time account work etc.....
 
Give her a chance.......Dharmesh is not the end-all and be-all.....He is a mistake.....She has to move on.....She is young and beautiful.....A few years of hardships will only give her a decent shot at a good life.....Sticking to Dharmesh and trying to milk him off money will only make her miserable and keep the option of re-uniting with the guy open.....
 
Don't get so scared of hardships Kool......We have to face certain situations in life full on......we can't take the easy way out.........Money is NOT everything.....while it is essential......Vaishali is not in dire straits yet......taking help from her Jiju's and parents is not wrong under such circumstances......
 
One point for Naava here........am replying here for your post in the previous thread......I respect your points and your experience......But want to still argue (for the sake of it)......
 
Here, it is not a question of keeping a father away from his child.......this is an illegitimate child.....the feelings towards the father and the other sibling will always be torturous and bitter...... so telling a child a 'lie" for his own peace of mind - would not be wrong....that his father is no more or that he left us or that we don't know where he is etc......When the child is old enough to understand, and his own thinking is stable and secure.....one can tell him the truth alongwith the reasons......Let the child then decide whether he wishes to make contact with the father.....Let me tell you, the child will still be bitter for what has been done to him....but he may be able to handle it better.....
 
But then again, this is my thinking.....I would like to protect my child from a father who cheated his mother and another woman.....its not the ONLY way.....
 
Also about the re-location.....that point was that incase, Vaishali feels that living in such a society where everyone knows her and what happened with her, she and her parents can re-locate somewhere and make a fresh beginnning......its just one of the options maybe available to her, if she so chooses.....
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:10pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by julle1234567890

hi

i only come on i-f very few times a week now and even less so since last few months.

i was shocked when i read ur commentary on how people view it as shameless for vaishu to get compensation for wat dharmesh did.
i have a hard time wrapping my head around that reasoning
and i agree with you.



vaishali needs to look out for herself and her unborn baby, so dharmesh is ok with not taking responsibilty for his child but vaishali should not stoop to that level. 
and she needs money to take care for the baby. 

also, i dont understand how madhuri is considered a negative charactor. she has a child to provide or and granted he got sick very recently but when one has a serious illness, even when its not diagnosed, one gets sick very often and hospital visits and medicine isnt exactly cheap. 
so thats probably why madhuri dealt with dharmesh and his second marriage. as long as her son got the proper care and meds, she didnt care much about dharmesh.

i am sorry but i dont see that as whoring around , i just see that is being a single mom in a world and society which does not support single mothers .

i also dont understand the whole marriage is what completes a woman. this going for solochanas anxiety to marry of archana and now vaishalis broken marriage. 

 
The reason I gave a rebuttal was That thought ..........that It was shameless to take compensation from the man who tricked u ............was unfair to the hundreds of women out there who r conned by PLayers who disown responsibility to children and try to wriggle oit scot free by running away to other states ..........these women slap them with court orders and try to take as much money as they can to secure better future fdor their kids . The comments were unfair to THOSE women and so I replied .

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:11pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by excelsa7

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Archana doesnt want the DIVORCE . Varsha wanted it , non existent though it may be . Archana wasnt even considering it . Her ideas r very BACKWARD and regressive . She was advising her sister .......Just like the baby is not at fault , neither r the SINDOOR and MAGALSUTRA .But the sindoor and Mangalsutra exclusively fdenote a mARRIED STATUS TO DHARMU .Vaishu was right in breaking it .
 
If u ask me ..........Archana needs a good , hard slap .Sorry Archu fans . First she HID this matter till Manavs reputation was RUINED now she is telling her sister to hold on TIGHT to mangalsutra and sindoor . Tomorrow she is talking to Madhuri ...........WHY ? Why is she now falling in it ..........people in the forum were sayig its NOT archus call to make its VAISHUs .So Vaishu will talk if necessaruy , why is Archu even TALKINg ?What is she suggesting in her goody goody way ? U leave Dharmu so MY sister can take ur place ? Madhuri needs him not just for finances but even for a child ! Archu will now spoil MADHURIs LIFE .
Couldn't agree with you more - Archana has some serious issues with reality - and shold seriously keep her mouth shut wrt this situation. She has already done enough harm by delaying the whole issue for so long - I really hope that somebody shakes some sense into her! Her regressive attitude will ruin this situation even more if anyone listens to her
 
I really hope that Madhuri's logic (after being brained washed by DUMB Archana) does nOT become: " I suffered so much with Dharmesh - and now I cannot bear to see another woman go theough the same thing ... I MUST help her!!!"
The one hope I have of this not happening is the fact that she has a sick child to think of... let' s hope that she continues to be wise in the way she has handeled the situation so far - as has been well established by many in this forum - she adapted in the best way to secure the health of her child - I can only hope that she STAY SMART and doesn't listen to the IDIOTIC ramblings of Archana who is CLEARLY not in touch with reality!

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:13pm | IP Logged
 
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Archana doesnt want the DIVORCE . Varsha wanted it , non existent though it may be . Archana wasnt even considering it . Her ideas r very BACKWARD and regressive . She was advising her sister .......Just like the baby is not at fault , neither r the SINDOOR and MAGALSUTRA .But the sindoor and Mangalsutra exclusively fdenote a mARRIED STATUS TO DHARMU .Vaishu was right in breaking it .
 
If u ask me ..........Archana needs a good , hard slap .Sorry Archu fans . First she HID this matter till Manavs reputation was RUINED now she is telling her sister to hold on TIGHT to mangalsutra and sindoor . Tomorrow she is talking to Madhuri ...........WHY ? Why is she now falling in it ..........people in the forum were sayig its NOT archus call to make its VAISHUs .So Vaishu will talk if necessaruy , why is Archu even TALKINg ?What is she suggesting in her goody goody way ? U leave Dharmu so MY sister can take ur place ? Madhuri needs him not just for finances but even for a child ! Archu will now spoil MADHURIs LIFE .
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Kools I am waiting to see how the Cvs are going to justify thru Archu that Vashali's right it greater than Madhuri's. What really kills me is that these CVs uses leukemia so lightly....serious they just throw in a child with a serious disease just like that...they are not even trying to highlight Madhuri's needs - they dream up these characters and put them in it without any serious thought going in - this serial is just killing meAngry

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Posted: 09 March 2011 at 1:24pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

Originally posted by julle1234567890

hi

i only come on i-f very few times a week now and even less so since last few months.

i was shocked when i read ur commentary on how people view it as shameless for vaishu to get compensation for wat dharmesh did.
i have a hard time wrapping my head around that reasoning
and i agree with you.



vaishali needs to look out for herself and her unborn baby, so dharmesh is ok with not taking responsibilty for his child but vaishali should not stoop to that level. 
and she needs money to take care for the baby. 

also, i dont understand how madhuri is considered a negative charactor. she has a child to provide or and granted he got sick very recently but when one has a serious illness, even when its not diagnosed, one gets sick very often and hospital visits and medicine isnt exactly cheap. 
so thats probably why madhuri dealt with dharmesh and his second marriage. as long as her son got the proper care and meds, she didnt care much about dharmesh.

i am sorry but i dont see that as whoring around , i just see that is being a single mom in a world and society which does not support single mothers .

i also dont understand the whole marriage is what completes a woman. this going for solochanas anxiety to marry of archana and now vaishalis broken marriage. 

 
The reason I gave a rebuttal was That thought ..........that It was shameless to take compensation from the man who tricked u ............was unfair to the hundreds of women out there who r conned by PLayers who disown responsibility to children and try to wriggle oit scot free by running away to other states ..........these women slap them with court orders and try to take as much money as they can to secure better future fdor their kids . The comments were unfair to THOSE women and so I replied .
Kool.......there is a difference here.......wanting to teach the man a lesson is one thing.......See here you are missing the entire point......In the context of the situation - where Vaishali was madly in love with Dharmesh.....she was not duped by him deliberately.......I would think a woman would NOT want anything from him......which is exactly what they seem to be showing......Vaishali wants nothing to do with the man.....she is NOT lachaar or bebass.....the way you want to portray her...... she does not need to take the money from him........everybody does not need to take money like that......that is why we are still people with values and culture......whcih has eroded totally in the west......I too live in Canada......but I still feel that materialism has no place in relationships
 Such thinking erodes the very foundation of each and every relationship and also the very strength of our own character

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