Originally posted by malinn
Originally posted by koolsadhu1000
Originally posted by malinn
Gosh, sorry to say so, but whatever you wrote today Koolsadhu, is totally unagreeable.... I don't watch PR anymore, but still the context of what you write is totally incorrect.... Vaishali is young and beautiful... There is no reason on earth why she must even want a dime from Dharmesh for her child.... She is educated and has a family... Any woman worth her salt and self respect would not want anything to do with Dharmesh including his money..... India has gone ahead enough that Vaishali can live her life without the marraige tag..... You make relations sound too practical and money minded.... There are such things as self respect, ego, self reliance, education.....
Vaishu should say, to hell with your money..... Good riddance.....
Not wanting a dime from Dharmu is Fine . Its a choice after all . But This also means Dharmu goes SCOT FREE .
Has India gone THAT ahead ?Debatable . In PR it hasnt . People stand on roads and gossip about jeeoo saali affairs is the picture and I am merely pointing out PR STANDARDS . On a real life basis its perfectly possible to live alone with self respect but Vaishali and her sisters LACK sense .
I am merely stating reality . Ultimately EVERYTHING boils down to FINANCES only .U cannot show self respect on EMPTY STOMACH .Vaishalis parents r retired and not being dependent on Dharmesh means depending on MANJU . Vinod has no job . If Manju kicks out she has to live at MANAVS expense .And we all saw WHERE THAT LED TO . Has SELF RELIANT Vaishali ever done a job ?
Nope . Now toh she is PREGGY . Timing to find job by roaming on roads kinda sucks . The ONLY women WORKING in PR who cann AFFORD to show SELF RELIANCE and SELF RESPECT are MANJU and VARSHA .
It is not just about Vaishali's choice. The reason some of us want Dharmu to be stripped out of the last penny is because we want atleast punishment from that angle. More so, bcos he is a lucky b*****d who goes scot-free every time!
It is not a question of how we would react if we were in place of Vaishali. Vaishali is a fictional character and so is Dharmesh. Whether we would think of monetary gains or self-respect, we cannot say, even if we empathize with the characters.
Vaishali needn't use that money she gains from Dharmesh. She can just keep it locked in a bank. It is just so that Dharmesh is not left to enjoy that part of the money. I'm not being sadistic here, but there needs to be some kind of punishment for Dharmesh. Whether it happens in PR or not , or if it is even possible legally or not is totally a different thing, but why leave a person like Dharmesh to go scot-free? If it is possible from us to punish him, why not?
That is how I took it as, when Kools mentioned about Vaishali needed monetary gains from Dharmesh and it has nothing to do with being materialistic. This is just my opinion.
Edit: It is not being materialistic, it is called 'expecting justice to be served', which is similar to when a family awaits death sentence for the guilty when their daughter is killed. Killing the guilty person will not bring back their dead daughter, but for the family there is a satisfaction that justice is served. I am giving that just as an example and a strong one at that. This is similar but in a lesser vein. Asking for monetary gain for Vaishali will not bring back the life she has lost or the burden she has to bear in the future of her life, but there will a kind of justice being served and this will no way lessen her self-respect in my humble opinion.
Ok. So here's how I would like to reply bee5.....
Both you and Kool talked about Dharmesh getting away scot-free, if not punished by Vaishali - monetarily. In both your opinions - hit him where it hurts. Opinions are always humble.....so here's mine....
You know, this is the very same mentality which terrorists and rapists and criminals have. They all have some angst against society. They think - Hit them where it hurts. And in that, they forget simple things such as right vs wrong. It is not so important in life to punish someone, as it is to maintain your own humanity, dignity, self-respect, principles. Two wrongs don't make a right.
@underlined: oh really? In that case, there shouldn't be any death sentences , lethal injections, hang-until-death etc. etc. Why waste tax payers money on legal system?
This world seems like criminals, rapists, serial-killers can all walk freely with regular people.
Dharmesh will be punished in his own way - by his own deeds. He loses his partnership with Satish (here Satish is RIGHT and not materialistic in his punishment), he would lose the love and respect of his family (I think he is the only son - so it will hurt him as much as it will hurt them). He is not really interested in Madhuri - she was just a fling
I don't think so. Just-a-flings do not lead to marriage. Not in case of Dharmesh. Not in how the story was revealed. There was a lot of time between the fling, the realization of pregnancy and then marriage. The child is 4 years old( mind you originally the child was 6 yrs old, one day all of a sudden CVs dropped it down to 4). So his and Madhuri's <thing> started 5 years back and Vaishali got married less than a year back.
which came back to haunt him. Even if she does matter to him, she knows what he is and has no love or respect for him. She only has a need of him, for the sake of her kid (kids). He loses Vaishali, whom he loves.
As per the episode, as per Dharmesh, he claimed to love both, which is exactly what Satish pointed out. The truth is he doesn't love anyone. He wouldn't care if he lost Vaishali. He stated that in the end.
So, in the end, what does he get?
Like I stated earlier, it does not matter what the CV's show.....in the end what matters is what we think is right or wrong.....when we give our own viewpoints - then those are guided by our own perceptions and attitudes - they show what we are made of and what we understand as right or wrong.....Which is why people discuss such topics and serials in forums...........
And I still maintain, that what Kool or for that matter what you write - smacks of materialism and pettiness.....
You can say all you want and how many ever times you want. I do not agree and will not accept. There is something called justice and punishment should also be given so that he doesn't carry on with this activity till eternity.
Imagine yourself in the place of a woman like Vaishali -
Already posted my thoughts on it (highlighted for your sake now in pink).
imagine that you find that your so-called husband is already married - and has a child from another woman - are you going to think about fighting for your right? Are you going to want him to give you his money because he is rich - so you can raise that child on his money?
I'll tell you what I would think - I would HATE the man - I would HATE any and everything associated with that man - I would make sure that my child does not even get to know who his father is, if possible - I would hate all men possibly - I would want him to rot in hell etc. etc....
My point to Kool was simply that - on the one hand if we talk about the high ideal of Nargis in Mother India - and on the other hand - you reduce a mother to a mercenary and helpless person
helpless person? no way! One needs strong will-power to go through such a thing of what we want Vaishali to do.
(who will have not be able to survive due to monetary problems - such as her poor parents / Manju / jobless Vinod)....Vaishali is not helpless nor uneducated....whether she worked earlier or not is not the issue here......what is important is that she is young and educated and beautiful....the world does not end here for her.....Again, one thing you forget is that in Mother India - they showed that while she sold her body to feed her child (which she did not feel was wrong for the purpose it served) - the same mother kills that same son when he was WRONG.....it was her sense of RIGHT which ruled over ther motherly instincts.....its a beautiful example to show how important it is to do the right thing....If Vaishali were to kill Dharmesh
Kill? I don't think that is a right thing to do and I do not condone. That is foolishness and irresponsible. Nothing thinking of own future or the child's.
in a fit of anger - I would stand up and clap - even if murder itself is not correct.....there is a difference in the manner in which justice is served - we can't serve justice by thinking twisted ourselves........
Again, I re-iterate that what Madhuri does is not mercenery when she does the same thing.............
Dharmesh can and should be punished - for his main crime - bigamy.......which can be proved very easily. Each and every case of bigmay will be like this, which is why it is illegal and punishable. He should go to jail
Contradictory point. Jail? From where did that come? Jail would be the thoughts of twisted thoughts from what I gather, should be left to roam on the streets to go impregnate other women.
or whatever - Madhuri should be accepted by his parents, since she is his legal wife technically, and she must get all her rights.
What is 'all'? If she goes to legal system, she is the lawful and the only wife, she doesn't need to get the rights. It is hers. Only she hasn't realized it yet and neither wants to think about the legal ways.
In this whole story, Vaishali has been horribly wronged - but then she is the victim who must take stock of what happened - and move on.
forget and forgive? No way. Not do anything? No way.
Such a person goes through a very tough time coming to terms with what happened - the WHY ME? syndrome......and then after a few years, someone else will come along
Not in the real world. Yes, I have heard of few cases. Percentage wise less than 1.
and she will forget Dharmesh....
Forget? Don't think so. One has to go through it to live. Such things go to the grave, even if one forgives.
I hope you also re-read the para highlighted in red in my post above.