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Posted: 26 February 2011 at 3:10am | IP Logged
In my opinion, there is the Tasha conversation, and then there is the stereotypical conversation between two lovers that I've seen one million times on other shows. The purple prose, spilling one flowery confession of love following another - that's overload and far from something that I believe the characters of LTL would've done under any circumstances. Yes, Dutta has changed, but he's still Dutta at heart. He's honest and says what's on his mind, but Tasha's relationship is so deep, so connected, that wording every single lovely feeling has never been necessary. In fact, not wording it, but expressing it in other ways has come across as much more powerful. For instance when he asked Naku if she was okay and all Naku did was touch his face and they rested their foreheads against each other's.
 
No words needed. No flowery proses about "oh, how I love you" etc.
 
I could imagine Naku expressing her love for him in words, but not Dutta. He didn't need to say it three times. He only needed to say it once and it would've been enough for him. For her, as well. Dutta can be calm. He can be kind and loving. He can be gentle. But being mellow to the point of purple proses just isn't him. People change, but there are certain characteristics that I don't think one can change about oneself. Dutta can't change his anger, but he can learn to control it to a certain extent. He can be patient. But in the end, if something pushes him over the edge, he will explode. It's his character.
 
Right now, he's vulnerable. He needs Naku to be there for him. He needs her support, especially mentally because he's struggling with Kala's revelation. But even this wasn't given the amount of time it needed to process. Jumping in the conversations, purple prose to Kala. No, that's not how D would've been reacting. Kala's revelation would've weighed him down to the point that he could enjoy having Naku with him, but needed to talk about it for longer than a few moments at a time. Being who he is, concerned as he is about his family, he would've enjoyed Naku with him, but he wouldn't be preoccupied with spilling words of love and bowing down to her love and talking about how women are raised to this and that... this is all something I would've expected from any other male lead in any other serial, but not Dutta.
 
He would tell her that he loves her. Done. He would tell her that he's sorry. Done. He would tell her how much she means to him and how much her support means to him. Done. In simple and straightforward words. No flowery praises and bhashans. Naku's influence is that if making him believe in Bappa, in love, in trust. But her influence is not that he'd become mellow. He'll always be Dutta Bhau, in the end. Even if he retires, you cannot change the core of a man who has been a killer for the past ten years - killed without a second thought. You can influence him in ways, and Naku's love has done that. But he is Dutta Sriram Patil.
 
It is nothing out of the ordinary when nakku says women r stronger than men in endurance mostly of the mental aspect nd all experts will agree.  She even goes ahead says that she doesnt want to interfere in his fight against kala but wants him to know that right now his priorities must be to recover frm the blindness nd dealing with the shock of kala revelation.  As a firm believer in the ultimate justice in the hands of God she speaks her mind which is so nakku.  She is back to her Bhashans.
 
I still believe that it was needless to draw the comparison between men and women. It wasn't a message to Dutta. It was a message to us, and we're all well aware of this fact, so what's the point of it really? Dutta doesn't need to know that she can endure more than him. He needs to know that she's with him, supporting him. He needs her in that context. In addition to that, Naku has always known Dutta's strength. He lived through many betrayals and though he stumbled at times and she fears that he'll stumble again, we've also witnessed that he has matured, that Naku's touch calmed the storm in him - no words were needed. I liked the part when she told him that she wouldn't interfere in his fight with Kala, but the "bringing back a man of love" part, I didn't like. Naku wouldn't say that. She might've said: "You need to recover first, then we'll think about Kala". She wouldn't say it like "I want to bring back a man who knows only to love". Dutta knows to love. He loves. He has a big heart. But his ability to love now shouldn't get in the way of the choice he might have to make to save his family and Patilwadi.
 
That's a fact. A brutal fact, but nonetheless a fact.
 
He can't afford to be mellow about it. Or soft.
 
The development of Naku's character, I feel, has reached the point where she doesn't need to give bhashans to Dutta anymore. He has learned so much from her and he has matured. He's at a point now where he is her equal in all ways.
 
The pati parameshwar thing was also completely unlike Dutta. I would never, in a million years, have expected him to say that - no matter how much he grew. Again I felt that this was meant as a stereotypical drama serial message for the audiences' sake rather than for the purpose and meaning of Tasha's conversation.
 
Look, having been away from Naku from two months, Dutta would've naturally confessed his love again, because the fear of almost having lost her was evident throughout his lonely phase. He'd have told her how much she means to him. But he wouldn't have said it through those exact dialogues that were given to him. Why? Because Dutta doesn't phrase things in flowery purple proses. He says things in a simple way that expresses so much more than those cliche phrases.
 
That's Dutta.
 
The fact that the director/CVs didn't bother to remove those needless purple proses and instead play the scenes out through silence and simple dialogues bothered me. It was out of character to me. Period. As for the Kala conversation, it wasn't any better. They could've focused more on his pain and emotions regarding that matter, kept him silent, while Naku guessed his thoughts and comforted him about it without him having to speak what he felt - because that's Tasha.
 
No matter how far they've reached in their relationship, no matter what, there's one thing that'll never change about their relationship - and that's the core of it. Dutta expresses his emotions, but not always in words, but Naku understands and knows what he needs to hear. The moment started well with them sitting there and her telling him that she'd be his strength. But then it hit rock-bottom with the rest of the dialogues.
 
That's just how I feel.
 
It might have everything to do with the way the episodes have been executed/directed, but it also has something to do with the dialogue-writer having a really stressful day because the demand was Tashaful episode and well, how else to fill an episode of Tasha if not with flowery phrases that warm every Tasha fan's heart.

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Originally posted by Elysia

In my opinion, there is the Tasha conversation, and then there is the stereotypical conversation between two lovers that I've seen one million times on other shows. The purple prose, spilling one flowery confession of love following another - that's overload and far from something that I believe the characters of LTL would've done under any circumstances. Yes, Dutta has changed, but he's still Dutta at heart. He's honest and says what's on his mind, but Tasha's relationship is so deep, so connected, that wording every single lovely feeling has never been necessary. In fact, not wording it, but expressing it in other ways has come across as much more powerful. For instance when he asked Naku if she was okay and all Naku did was touch his face and they rested their foreheads against each other's.
 
No words needed. No flowery proses about "oh, how I love you" etc.
 
I could imagine Naku expressing her love for him in words, but not Dutta. He didn't need to say it three times. He only needed to say it once and it would've been enough for him. For her, as well. Dutta can be calm. He can be kind and loving. He can be gentle. But being mellow to the point of purple proses just isn't him. People change, but there are certain characteristics that I don't think one can change about oneself. Dutta can't change his anger, but he can learn to control it to a certain extent. He can be patient. But in the end, if something pushes him over the edge, he will explode. It's his character.
 
Right now, he's vulnerable. He needs Naku to be there for him. He needs her support, especially mentally because he's struggling with Kala's revelation. But even this wasn't given the amount of time it needed to process. Jumping in the conversations, purple prose to Kala. No, that's not how D would've been reacting. Kala's revelation would've weighed him down to the point that he could enjoy having Naku with him, but needed to talk about it for longer than a few moments at a time. Being who he is, concerned as he is about his family, he would've enjoyed Naku with him, but he wouldn't be preoccupied with spilling words of love and bowing down to her love and talking about how women are raised to this and that... this is all something I would've expected from any other male lead in any other serial, but not Dutta.
 
He would tell her that he loves her. Done. He would tell her that he's sorry. Done. He would tell her how much she means to him and how much her support means to him. Done. In simple and straightforward words. No flowery praises and bhashans. Naku's influence is that if making him believe in Bappa, in love, in trust. But her influence is not that he'd become mellow. He'll always be Dutta Bhau, in the end. Even if he retires, you cannot change the core of a man who has been a killer for the past ten years - killed without a second thought. You can influence him in ways, and Naku's love has done that. But he is Dutta Sriram Patil.
 
It is nothing out of the ordinary when nakku says women r stronger than men in endurance mostly of the mental aspect nd all experts will agree.  She even goes ahead says that she doesnt want to interfere in his fight against kala but wants him to know that right now his priorities must be to recover frm the blindness nd dealing with the shock of kala revelation.  As a firm believer in the ultimate justice in the hands of God she speaks her mind which is so nakku.  She is back to her Bhashans.
 
I still believe that it was needless to draw the comparison between men and women. It wasn't a message to Dutta. It was a message to us, and we're all well aware of this fact, so what's the point of it really? Dutta doesn't need to know that she can endure more than him. He needs to know that she's with him, supporting him. He needs her in that context. In addition to that, Naku has always known Dutta's strength. He lived through many betrayals and though he stumbled at times and she fears that he'll stumble again, we've also witnessed that he has matured, that Naku's touch calmed the storm in him - no words were needed. I liked the part when she told him that she wouldn't interfere in his fight with Kala, but the "bringing back a man of love" part, I didn't like. Naku wouldn't say that. She might've said: "You need to recover first, then we'll think about Kala". She wouldn't say it like "I want to bring back a man who knows only to love". Dutta knows to love. He loves. He has a big heart. But his ability to love now shouldn't get in the way of the choice he might have to make to save his family and Patilwadi.
 
That's a fact. A brutal fact, but nonetheless a fact.
 
He can't afford to be mellow about it. Or soft.
 
The development of Naku's character, I feel, has reached the point where she doesn't need to give bhashans to Dutta anymore. He has learned so much from her and he has matured. He's at a point now where he is her equal in all ways.
 
The pati parameshwar thing was also completely unlike Dutta. I would never, in a million years, have expected him to say that - no matter how much he grew. Again I felt that this was meant as a stereotypical drama serial message for the audiences' sake rather than for the purpose and meaning of Tasha's conversation.
 
Look, having been away from Naku from two months, Dutta would've naturally confessed his love again, because the fear of almost having lost her was evident throughout his lonely phase. He'd have told her how much she means to him. But he wouldn't have said it through those exact dialogues that were given to him. Why? Because Dutta doesn't phrase things in flowery purple proses. He says things in a simple way that expresses so much more than those cliche phrases.
 
That's Dutta.
 
The fact that the director/CVs didn't bother to remove those needless purple proses and instead play the scenes out through silence and simple dialogues bothered me. It was out of character to me. Period. As for the Kala conversation, it wasn't any better. They could've focused more on his pain and emotions regarding that matter, kept him silent, while Naku guessed his thoughts and comforted him about it without him having to speak what he felt - because that's Tasha.
 
No matter how far they've reached in their relationship, no matter what, there's one thing that'll never change about their relationship - and that's the core of it. Dutta expresses his emotions, but not always in words, but Naku understands and knows what he needs to hear. The moment started well with them sitting there and her telling him that she'd be his strength. But then it hit rock-bottom with the rest of the dialogues.
 
That's just how I feel.
 
It might have everything to do with the way the episodes have been executed/directed, but it also has something to do with the dialogue-writer having a really stressful day because the demand was Tashaful episode and well, how else to fill an episode of Tasha if not with flowery phrases that warm every Tasha fan's heart.


Amazing.

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Posted: 26 February 2011 at 5:11am | IP Logged
Thank you, Ankur Smile Good to know I'm not alone here. The Tasha wave seems to have flooded this forum. But it's good to know that someone, other than me, sees the carelessness and quiet assassination of the strongest male lead on Indian TV.
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Posted: 26 February 2011 at 6:29am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Elysia

Thank you, Ankur Smile Good to know I'm not alone here. The Tasha wave seems to have flooded this forum. But it's good to know that someone, other than me, sees the carelessness and quiet assassination of the strongest male lead on Indian TV.
 
Ana, its not like we cant see..we can but we have learnt to ignore it. How can one luk at such things when something so beautiful is happening around...
 
I dont know if you were part of LTL forum tat time but there was a time when we would have given anything to just see Dutta admiring Naku...we were dying to see tasha romance..dying to see them sharing a same screen space but we wudnt get much...the forum used to cry seeing them holding hands and now when those moments are given to use, when they are all in love, wen the real romance has jst began how could we spoil them by thinking of the glitches happening around? We cant yaar...this is something we have been waiting for ages...we have been asking for long time...we dont want to lose these moments. How long LTL is going to be there on TV dont know...but till its there and till Dutta-Naku are given screen space we cant miss it.
 
You are more into technical stuff, it luks like and so u r worrying about those things but we are luking at Dutta-Naku romance and ignoring the angles..coz their love is what has made all stick to this serial even after the drags. I know we can change it...we can make CVs realize abut ediitng glitches and we keep sending mails to them about that. But dear you are spoiling the magic for urself which wont cum back again....thats why we are saying enjoy....dont spoil it for u...ofcourse side-by-side along with an appreciation we can keep making them aware of these glitches but ignoring romance and worrying abut errors is going to take away the flavor dear...
 
this is best phase of LTL all have been craving for and u see tats y the No 1 position to LTL...many girls have left forum asking for romance and it luks like all have cum back to LTL sensing the smeel of romanceLOL
 

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Dear, did you read my post on this page? The full one? Because I'm not focusing on the technical things, I'm focusing on the characters. What I'm saying is that regardless of how sweet the moments are, the characters are not themselves. The dialogues are out of character, and more than that, they're slowly butchering Dutta's character.
 
This is a fact. Some of you may be able to ignore it, because you're caught in the Tasha wave (understandably). But personally, I watch this show for Dutta and his journey. If his character is radically changed and made something that DSP is not, then I won't support it, nor can I enjoy Tasha, because Dutta is missing.
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Originally posted by Elysia

Dear, did you read my post on this page? The full one? Because I'm not focusing on the technical things, I'm focusing on the characters. What I'm saying is that regardless of how sweet the moments are, the characters are not themselves. The dialogues are out of character, and more than that, they're slowly butchering Dutta's character.
 
This is a fact. Some of you may be able to ignore it, because you're caught in the Tasha wave (understandably). But personally, I watch this show for Dutta and his journey. If his character is radically changed and made something that DSP is not, then I won't support it, nor can I enjoy Tasha, because Dutta is missing.
oh yeah ur and mine reasons are completely different for watching the show and so u r rite where u r.
I am just getting what I have been asking for ages and so me enjoying. Hope so u too get soon wat u have been luking forSmile
but yeah ana me too on sending mails abut glitches along with Mishal stay

Edited by ccolaco - 26 February 2011 at 6:52am

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Posted: 26 February 2011 at 6:53am | IP Logged
I dont know if you were part of LTL forum tat time but there was a time when we would have given anything to just see Dutta admiring Naku...
 
Dear, Dutta has always admired Naku. Even when they were friends. He has always acknowledged her strength and known how much she was capable of enduring. In addition to that, on their wedding night, he told her just how much he loved her and the amount of respect and admiration he had for her was evident. She knows what's in his heart. She always have.


Edited by Elysia - 26 February 2011 at 6:53am
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I agree with you, but simultaneously disagree with you. I wouldn't say 'pointless' is the right word to describe the episode, I didn't find it 'pointless' at all. In fact it was a very beautiful episode, showing us the new phase in Dutta and Nakusha's relationship. The one thing I do agree with you is Dutta's dialogues, that pati parmeshwar dialogue was not necessary in the slightest, and totally unlike Dutta. So yes, that I agree with you on, one hundred percent, it was very cheesy.
 
Yet all the other dialogues I thought were fine. That whole 'women having more endurance than men' was actually a very deep dialogue from Naku- what we have to understand is that her aayi kehti dialogues have always been spoken randomly, yet poignantly, so it's nothing new from what we've seen in the past. I don't at all think it was to present her as stronger than Dutta. Women are generally, on the emotional front, more able to endure pain- physically men are stronger, yet women have that special power to unflinchingly offer all the strength that they have to their families. And this is what Dutta needed at this point of time- Naku's special strength. He is a man that never takes help, neither has he ever willingly wanted Naku to become a part of his battles against the enemies. Yet he is vulnerable at the moment, and this was the only way Naku could give him that support that he needs, to convince him that he cannot do this alone. It wasn't about women being more powerful than men; it was about a woman becoming her man's strength, a wife being the strength of her husband in a time where he needs it. It was not a pointless dialogue, in fact, it was one of the most meaningful dialogues. Dutta knows she is his sherni, truly his other half, thus he knows that as long as she is with him, no harm can come to him.  I personally think you took that dialogue in the completely wrong sense.
 
The technicals don't really bother me so much, because I am not so great at analysing that sort of stuff, it is more the substance that gets to me. And as an overall package, LTL is really appealing to me at the moment. We have been shown so many shades to Dutta and Nakusha's relationship, and today again we are seeing a whole different shade to their relationship, where it is just the two of them together; everything out in the open, nothing hidden.  When Naku said to him that she wants Dutta to just be a man full of love, I thought it was beautiful, purely because she has always craved a life that is 'normal'. How much they both have endured, yet now they are at that stage when they can finally be at peace with each other, in terms of their love. Love is all that is needed now, she just wants Dutta to have a life with no problems, not just for her sake- but for Dutta too, for AS, Baji, etc, etc. They deserve that life, where there is just love, and nothing but love. After all this Kala stuff is over, I really hope they can have that life, that life without hurdles.
 
I loved the episode, yes it was cheesy at times, but I kind of knew right from the start that that would happen at some point of the other Tongue, yet I still feel the essence of LTL is still intact. And no, I'm not simply saying this because we're getting loads of romance-shomance, but I truly feel that the new level of 'understanding' that is being portrayed between Dutta and Nakusha is truly touching. We should enjoy this phase in their relationship.
 
I hope I made sense LOL
 
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Edited by Pyari_Zahra - 26 February 2011 at 7:21am

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