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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 3:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by neets_ltl

After seeing the episodes this week, we all know that MR is brilliant but I really think MV has surprised me this week. I always applaud MR but want to say that MV has been equally responsible for bringing out Dutta on screen. Her expressions, her dialogues and her general commitment has been really well done. I think it's the best I have seen of her. The tiny tiny little things she says or gestures brings Naku to life.
 
 
I feel the same way! Mahi has done a fantastic job in the episodes this week. Every time Naku would stumble or have a pained look on her face, my heart would ache for her. The reunion scene was so powerful...Probably one of the best DN scenes in my book, purely because of the sheer force of the emotions that came to the surface and spilled over when they finally met after so long. I also think that Mahi has been very, very expressive with her eyes this week. Maybe the camera/light has something to do with it. That's not to say that she isn't normally expressive...It's just that this week has been so high on emotion that somehow it was even more noticeable - the bright shine to her eyes when she sees him; the concerned gaze...The look of numb shock when Kala reveals that Dutta is actually blind...The list goes on and on...And it's pointless to even start listing out Mishal's expressions! Sooo brilliant. And the MR-MV combination has such a unique nature to it, as well. The subtle nature of DN's realtionship and the many layers to the characters have been brought out so, so well by both of them. I think something about their offscreen comfort might somehow enhance the characterizations of Dutta and Naku that have been penned and developed so thoughtfully. They know the mannerisms of their own characters, but it's also a team effort in every sense since Dutta-Naku's lives and destinies are entwined; we can see how the influence they've had on each other is not one-sided.
I just went off on a tangent; I doubt any of that was coherent! Sorry about that! LOL

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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 5:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by make-believe

I am yet to read all the posts today, in the main forum and ED, but someone please tell me that I'm not the only one who doesn't see how Nakku is getting more focus than Dutta? Confused As I watched the episode, their expressions and reactions had me so zoned in and hanging on to every word and movement that I didn't even notice any people that were supposedly walking around the jungle...it felt like Dutta and Nakku to me...not more of one or the other...MR got so many dialogues, so many prolonged moments to play out those emotions that Dutta was undergoing...what moments exactly are these that gave more focus to Nakku? Confused
 
OK...just came back to the forum after several hrs so havent seen the epi. I found epi dreamy. Everything I wanted to see happenning between Tasha as a couple was happenning today. I didnt find any issue with focus on Dutta. I suppose the rumours are taking its toll with people getting paranoid abt lack of focus on Dutta. Only issue I found was continuity. One moment Naku and Dutta are looking like giant and dwarf...next moment they are at eye level. Then one moment Dutta is facing one direction...next moment another...next moment back to the old direction. I am not sure what's the problem but maybe the new director who has come in isnt that good. These continuity problems are distracting.

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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:18pm | IP Logged
What a......satisfying episode....there were no grand dramatic gestures or sweeeeeeeeeping romantic DN scenes......but watching it warmed my heart like anything.

I pretty much ditto everything you said, Fatty.....my exact thoughts about all these moments.

The bits I really really loved.....first,  the beginning of jaana jogi de naal and the way he just reaches out to hold her face with one handDay Dreaming.....the soft affection in that gesture *sigh*.....then the water drinking scene.....ADORABLEEE.....especially loved the bit where he's holding up his hand for her to drink from and she keeps trying to push it back at him so that he drinks from it first but he doesn't budge and just sits there firmly with that smile on his face.....LOL....and she has to finally give in and drink firstLOL....as usual a silent battle of wits b/w them but done SO sweetly this timeLOL....this scene was soooooooooooo fabulously shot....really don't have words for it.....SO natural....especially the bit with the way Nakku reaches up to brush his face after he drinks from her hand.....MR just looked WOW in this sceneDay Dreaming.....and Nakku's expressions as she wipes his face.....it's a thing of beauty seriously the level of soul there is to their scenes....no stupid hawtness, ZOMG we're TOUCHING each other kinda crap.....there is such a BEAUTIFUL kind of comfort b/w them....there is awareness at the same time.....but not the kind that is thrown in your face.....it is subtle.....it is there in the subtlest of gestures and the way they look at each other.

After this, I LOVED the way he hugged her during the night scene....the way he just reaches out for her impulsively after that convo and hugs her close.....

I have to agree with Neets about the dialogues in that last bit to an extent.....felt that they could have been written better.....deffo bordering more on the trite side with the ardhangini stuff but then on a level I guess it does jive with the upbringing of these characters....we can't forget that they all belong to a small town/village.

Otherwise overall.....amaaaaaaaaaaaazing convos.....the first one with Dutta talking about he felt that he was only living for this moment....."tere aane se andhere raaston mein bhi ujala ho jaayega, Nakku....yeh mera tujhpe yakeen hai"

Then the later ones near the lake with him telling her he loves her....the transition to him remembering Kala's words.....then the convo later at night when Nakku tells him all that Kala has done.....then him telling Nakku that he will give her all her due.....so many variations and all enacted sooooooo brilliantly....especially by MR....the transitions that Fatty pointed out......I'm in awe as alwaysDay Dreaming

The car ride was SO frigging hilarious to me.....I was laughing my head off....the way that weird bodyguard was staring at Seema.....Suds with his ashamed/sulky constipated expressions sneaking glances here and there......Seema crying endlessly and having endless FBs....and ofcourse BEST of all....Kala's CONSTANT staring at herROFL......AG's expressions were sooooooooo awesome in that scene....haha......speculative/shrewd.....she's deffo planning some big use with Seema.....weighing the possibilities.

And yes the precap was really awesome! VR was FAB.....the shots of Dutta were randomly inserted it seems but otherwise really amazing precap....looking forward to next week....we'll get the DN bonfire scene too.....awww



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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:18pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by kshreya2002

Only one thing I want to add that from past few episodes I am noticing too many continuity problems in LTL. One moment Naku and Dutta are looking like giant and dwarf...next moment they are at eye level. Then one moment Dutta is facing one direction...next moment another...next moment back to the old direction. I am not sure what's the problem but maybe the new director who has come in isnt that good. These continuity problems are distracting.

Yeah, this has been happening for a while now...as far back as the Charitr scene was the first time I actively noticed it...and I think this is what Neets meant by the 'angle' switch in their reactions too. It's tickling my mind and I can't put a finger on the details but sometime ago there was a SBS/SBB segment with a pair talking about how when one of them is giving a shot (i.e. delivering the dialogues) with the camera focussed on them, the other person is reacting and therefore their back is to the camera so they do all sorts of silly things to make the performing person laugh...but the point here being that the camera at that particular moment is focussed only on the person talking, right? So whatever the other person is doing (i.e. reacting) is not captured then and there on reel...those 'reaction' shots are taken separately and later...so they aren't really spot on with the positioning and sync of how both the people were facing/angled in the first shot (which was focusing on the speaker) and the second shot (which was focusing on the reaction of the person listening) and thus the jarring difference which doesn't match...and I think this happens when they're shooting with one camera only or are covering a large area in which the peripheral vision wouldn't allow for another camera to be in sight...

Originally posted by *dewdrop~pearl*

It was indeed an awsome episode Clap! I havent been writing for the past couple of days since Tasha's reunion, as I dont think words can justifiably sum up the soulful things happening between Tasha! The hug, the dialogues, the feel, everything is soo soulful, how can one sum up something so beautiful in words?! Even today I dont think I'm doing any justice with these words, but just felt like expressing atleast a small percentage of what I am feeling nowadays, thanks to Tasha! I just cant resist myself anymore yaar LOL! I havent felt so soulful for ages, watching any tv serial or movie. Its really a beautiful feeling! Inspite of being aware that its fiction, you can really feel something happening inside you at a deeper level, something which I'm sorry I am not able to sum up in words Confused. You can just feel something filling inside you, I dont know what that feeling is called, only if someone can help me with it Confused. Even after the episode is over, you just cant seem to get up and do anything else or concentrate on anything else, other than keep reminiscing of Tasha! And this goes on for like half an hour to one hour, depending upon the epi LOL!

Ok, so I wont make a futile effort of summing up each and everything I saw or felt after the past 2-3 epis. I will just mention few things Embarrassed.

Just loved the part where Dutta and Nakku gives water to each other in their palms.....just watch Dutta's expression when Nakku keeps her lips on his palm and drinks water Wink Day Dreaming.

I think this is the 1st episode after the previous jungle track, where we are getting to see an episode which is 90% filled with Tasha Embarrassed

Havent seen both of them together like this for ages! It seems like a long time since we actually saw Tasha in love, and when we got to see them, what a track yaar - awsome scenes, expressions, dialogue, hugs Clap! Feels so 100%!! It seems as though our long wait and all the stress we had to go through for the past couple of months have been rewarded, and HOW Clap!

Godd this weekend is going to seem so long Ouch! When you know something boring is awaiting the next week, we can atleast sleep peacefully, but now what to do LOL?!?! Now am really greedy, & will keep waiting & expecting for even better stuff in the coming weeks   !
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I'm glad you decided to post because even though you still felt like you couldn't describe the soulfulness, it was very lovely to read those feelings put into words because they're so very true! ((:

Originally posted by shan2430

As for D taking everyones' names, i was only waiting to hear bajis' name..lol..As for Madhu,honestly i forgot abt her too till I read some of the posts here..i think its only a blooper..I don't blame D for liking leela&roops more than Madhu..Obviously hes grown with them..And he does not know abt their past connivance with Kala..Even so,D is not the type to develop affection overnight for anyone,let alone Madhu..And Madhu,in my opinion, has not potrayed any strong character or individuality for D to take any notice of her..(Ofcourse purely CVs fault)I honeslty feel sorry for Madhu & Soni Singh..

Yesss, me too! I was silently urging Dutta to say Baaji because he has the BIGGEST badla to take from Count Clown Suds LOL And Dutta bhi...aakhri mein bola (: Soooo waiting for DuJi again! And of course, VR is back in the precap so I'm happy! 

Totally agree on Madhu...actually, I would have found it odd if Dutta would have mentioned her name ConfusedLOL Because he doesn't know her well enough to talk so passionately about her 'badla' and all, like he does the rest of the family...their relationship isn't at that level for him to mention her in the same breath as the others and what they mean to him, and Dutta of course above that isn't one for courtesy...it wouldn't be like him to mention someone's name just because they reside in the same household...


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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:33pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by neets_ltl

Hmmm.....no hungama...just Tasha. What a strangely calm episode! The poorest this week considering it has been a memorable one. What can I say, I just love action + comedy + romance. Monday was brill, Wed even better. But today's was good as there was Tasha LOL I am loving the role reversal now, the fact that Dutta is now relying on Naku as support. And finally Dutta has taken a positive out of all this: the fact he has been living up until now to be with Naku. Embarrassed I now understand perhaps the reason for keeping Dutta blind. The more he pines to see her face, relies on her and gets to know her more without seeing her, the stronger their r'ship will get. The koyal/gori phase is gone, but it will bring it to an end. I loved Jaana jodi da naal, Dutta touching Naku's face, and her taking in every touch.

I think we very much needed this...after a bunch of episodes where everything went haywire because they tried to make it 'grand scale'...what with soooo many different groups of people to cover around the mandir, ones screaming across at each other, others crossing long distances and wasting footage LOL etc. etc, this pace of change is like a breath of fresh air...it's like they've 'downsized' and the focus on only two people is allowing the scenes to be more tranquil and smooth...this is the 'LTL' with character development and conversations that everyone was asking for...voila! Smile

Originally posted by droopy_asleep

Thoughts on the episode :)
Naku - her character is known to give bhashans, her long lecture to Dutta on love, was a good example of that. She has always been that God fearing typical woman - but also one of strength. Her Aai Bolti Hai line that women are capable of more tolerance than man, is also so in character and frankly what is wrong with that statement? Its true - any woman who has gone through labor and delivery can attest to that fact, that men however strong they are, are incapable of bearing that pain, and hence the statement.
As for Dutta's dialogues, my interpretation is how much of Naku's influence he has in him now, that he has become a believer in these facts about marriage, how two souls can complete each other and become a better half.
Ultimately as a viewer, I look at the "Rasa" or the emotion the characters bring out in me, and I felt Love today, that is a successful team effort in my mind.

Totally agree :yeah: It was very, very in character...can't you just imagine Babi saying something like that? LOL Plus it's true to the core...a woman can manage emotional pain much more maturely than men, who are generally impulsive and unpredictable...she is talking just of that...and 'sehne' ki baat hai toh definitely...the same applies...men hardly ever 'bear' with things...they are either us paar yah iss paar...through this period, Nakku is just telling him that she will help him 'bear' and come out stronger...this isn't about her saying that she has any more strength than him by any chance or her jamaoing bhav over him or her getting too much focus...this is one person aiding the other with their strengths to cope through a time of difficulty and emotional pain...that is all.

Originally posted by PaNa4ever

I feel the same way! Mahi has done a fantastic job in the episodes this week. Every time Naku would stumble or have a pained look on her face, my heart would ache for her. The reunion scene was so powerful...Probably one of the best DN scenes in my book, purely because of the sheer force of the emotions that came to the surface and spilled over when they finally met after so long. I also think that Mahi has been very, very expressive with her eyes this week. Maybe the camera/light has something to do with it. That's not to say that she isn't normally expressive...It's just that this week has been so high on emotion that somehow it was even more noticeable - the bright shine to her eyes when she sees him; the concerned gaze...The look of numb shock when Kala reveals that Dutta is actually blind...The list goes on and on...And it's pointless to even start listing out Mishal's expressions! Sooo brilliant. And the MR-MV combination has such a unique nature to it, as well. The subtle nature of DN's realtionship and the many layers to the characters have been brought out so, so well by both of them. I think something about their offscreen comfort might somehow enhance the characterizations of Dutta and Naku that have been penned and developed so thoughtfully. They know the mannerisms of their own characters, but it's also a team effort in every sense since Dutta-Naku's lives and destinies are entwined; we can see how the influence they've had on each other is not one-sided.
I just went off on a tangent; I doubt any of that was coherent! Sorry about that! LOL

@bold: So well said! Totally agree Smile

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Finally watched it & what a soothing episode it was i had such a huge smile on my face m so proud to say i love this show & that it is different i just cannot tell how much i loved his I love you in the most amazing simplest manner ever i loved how it was so real so dutta like there was nothing crappy over the top & cheesy like how it is in some other shows which just piss me off like nothing else it was so simple yet as a viewer i melted too at the way he said it at the simplicity at the depth 

Both hugs are so passionate yet done in the most realistic manner just love the one at night there was something so touching about it than him touching her face expressing his desire to see her face & her assuring him he will be able to see it soon awwww & than jogi de naal so so so touching

and oh the women are stronger thing hmm i found it in sync with the character and the situation it was much needed why because he is more worried about her at this point as u can see so she had to assure him she's f9 he doesn't have to worry about her and she will also support him no matter what she has that power she can stand by him no matter what she had to give him that confidence it was well done and well in sync with nakusha the character
Both MV/MR were brilliant once again :) 

special mention of precap so good to see baaji after days & m curious what will happen 

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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 7:56pm | IP Logged
LOL you guys are discussing why he didn't take Madhu's name?? hahahahaha.....There was no point.....He took the name of all the ppl who have GENUINELY been close to him.....Madhu hasn't had a dialogue to speak in what like a month now? ROFL......and yeah I also agree that he should have taken Baaji's name muchhhhhhhhhh before....right after AS actually....but chalo even if he took it in the end, it had the most amount of emotion in it! Ahhh now we all await the DuJi reunion.....what a moment that will be!

Re: the camerawork and editing.....I think it's been alright.....I've seen far worse from LTL on some other occasions.....but yes, some dialogue transitions feel a little off sometimes.....but nothing major.....I feel that overall the sense of these last two epis has been very serene as DN kind of settle into a whole new comfort level with each other and catch up on so many things.....

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Posted: 25 February 2011 at 8:08pm | IP Logged
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The bits I really really loved.....first,  the beginning of jaana jogi de naal and the way he just reaches out to hold her face with one handDay Dreaming.....the soft affection in that gesture *sigh*.....then the water drinking scene.....ADORABLEEE.....especially loved the bit where he's holding up his hand for her to drink from and she keeps trying to push it back at him so that he drinks from it first but he doesn't budge and just sits there firmly with that smile on his face.....LOL....and she has to finally give in and drink firstLOL....as usual a silent battle of wits b/w them but done SO sweetly this timeLOL....this scene was soooooooooooo fabulously shot....really don't have words for it.....SO natural....especially the bit with the way Nakku reaches up to brush his face after he drinks from her hand.....MR just looked WOW in this sceneDay Dreaming.....and Nakku's expressions as she wipes his face.....it's a thing of beauty seriously the level of soul there is to their scenes....no stupid hawtness, ZOMG we're TOUCHING each other kinda crap.....there is such a BEAUTIFUL kind of comfort b/w them....there is awareness at the same time.....but not the kind that is thrown in your face.....it is subtle.....it is there in the subtlest of gestures and the way they look at each other.

I loved this bit soooo much. It seemed like Nakku didn't even think for a single second before moving her hand to wipe it over his face...just as you said, it was done like the most natural thing in the world...so instinctively, as if she felt and she did...and after that, the way she is looking at him while wiping his face with her pallu...the concern, pain, care, gentleness...all together and one, in her expressions and gestures...it was such an amazing touch...the fact that there are these flashes of worried love in Nakku that are coming out though she tries to keep both of them uplifted. The other moment where I felt this was when he was talking in the night scene at the end and she was just simply looking at him...her eyes would roam around his face, and it almost seemed like she was gauging him...'reading' him...as to what kind of a toll all of this has taken on him...how he is feeling, physically and emotionally...that worry again seemed to be coming out to me...which is once more such a natural thing at this point in time for her to experience...

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