Originally posted by ShadowKisses
: And yet you're trying to change or at the very least impact my opinion which I've repeatedly stated is limited. Very head against wall, no?
You're asking me to evaluate statistics and rule into Tendulkar's favour because his stats are favourable and I'm telling you that based on what I have seen - empirical evidence - rather than statistical one, he has impressed me less than the other two. How is this emotionally motivated? :S I don't enjoy acting like the professor of an era I saw nothing of (again, this is empircal not emotional) and have nothing but statistics to tell the story.
tbh, I don't have the time to dig them up right now (maybe if I have more time over the weekend I'll come back to this and argue with a statsmonger like yourself) and even if I did, stats are up for interpretation (which is as subjective and can be manipulated) because as you rightly pointed out not out skews averages - as do minnows - and as you earlier said, stats don't always tell the story anyways.
@green: You can easily flip the equation around though. i.e. how many times has Tendulkar played on an uncovered wicket? Or how many more runs could Bradman have made on the pitches discovered over the years? Bradman had things Tendulkar doesn't have to contend (slow wet outfields, bodyline with no helmets, etc) with just like Tendulkar has things Bradman didn't have to contend with.
LOL though, the one time I give stats to work with, you flip it on its head and tell me its useless because averages and by extension stats are skewed by other factors (such as not outs) anyways. Ha, that's contradictory to your "show me the stats because they are better than any empirical interpretation you have" approach! Tendulkar is amazing but his record is
comparable to few batsmen of his era. Bradman's record relative to his
peers is surreal and stuff fairy tales are made of. It is valid to base a comparison off of this because we are comparing batsmen through the ages. Mind, this is just statistics talking not "emotions" since I've never seen him play
That shows strong work ethic, not anything else really, which is an asset but not a defining marker of the best player ever. Even Raul Gonzalez (easily my favourite in football) has amazing work ethic probably greater than anyone else could possibly have ever had but I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Zidane or Mueller when it comes to talent. He gives it his 110% on the pitch every game, is the higest goal scorer of Champions League but that doesn't inherently mean he is the best player (technical or otherwise) on the pitch.
Ah no, footie is football or as we Yanks call it - 'soccer'. Don't know if you watch it but Schalke spanked Inter pretty bad on Inter's home turf.
I had written a long hardcore essay but bad luck I lost that Anyway mentioning the main points now ..
Wall aw does not really matter .. coz we have wall made up of traditional wood so wall gonna hurt not my head ... I am not trying to change your opinion about something .. What i am saying that when you come to debate it should be based on Overall performance .. rather than You are saying Nokia 3310 has voice clarity better than Iphone so Nokia is best
got the point na?
I am not stats-monger .. But Opinion is only good when you been asked for .. In debates, I reckon Facts work better ...
Body Lines bowling? Now you are sounding like Johnson Australian Fast bowler
Bradman did face body line Only at the end of his career and see his success against that? Helmet hmm Gwaskar never worn helmet in his life I think .. So is he better than Tendulkar or Bradman? Its just a demand of time my friend .. You convert yourself according to demand of time and situation ... Your this phrase seems copy paste of Comment by TEMPEST OF SYDNEY on Essay written by Simon ...exactly the same words
.... whatever, Technology plays a important role dear .. Now bowlers take 2 minutes to identify weakness of batsman .. which was impossible formerly ..suppose, Bradman's weakness against body line gets in view after first series ... we would never be arguing here
Oh man I am missing my previous written long long essay .. not able to write in a same way now
If you understand Punjabi Je rabb ne juban deti aa na kyo man na? Sir khapayi jao
So neither you gonna admit nor me ..
Well I exit in this world So obviously aware of Soccer .. I go for Chelsea, Real Madrid and AC Milan ....