The Greatest Cricketer Ever? (Page 7)

Originally posted by ShadowKisses



@bold: And yet you're trying to change or at the very least impact my opinion which I've repeatedly stated is limited. Very head against wall, no?

You're asking me to evaluate statistics and rule into Tendulkar's favour because his stats are favourable and I'm telling you that based on what I have seen - empirical evidence - rather than statistical one, he has impressed me less than the other two. How is this emotionally motivated? :S  I don't enjoy acting like the professor of an era I saw nothing of (again, this is empircal not emotional) and have nothing but statistics to tell the story.

tbh, I don't have the time to dig them up right now (maybe if I have more time over the weekend I'll come back to this and argue with a statsmonger like yourself) and even if I did, stats are up for interpretation (which is as subjective and can be manipulated) because as you rightly pointed out not out skews averages - as do minnows -  and as you earlier said, stats don't always tell the story anyways.

@green: You can easily flip the equation around though. i.e. how many times has Tendulkar played on an uncovered wicket? Or how many more runs could Bradman have made on the pitches discovered over the years? Bradman had things Tendulkar doesn't have to contend (slow wet outfields, bodyline with no helmets, etc) with just like Tendulkar has things Bradman didn't have to contend with.

LOL though, the one time I give stats to work with, you flip it on its head and tell me its useless because averages and by extension stats are skewed by other factors (such as not outs) anyways. Ha, that's contradictory to your "show me the stats because they are better than any empirical interpretation you have" approach! Tendulkar is amazing but his record is comparable to few batsmen of his era. Bradman's record relative to his peers is surreal and stuff fairy tales are made of. It is valid to base a comparison off of this because we are comparing batsmen through the ages. Mind, this is just statistics talking not "emotions" since I've never seen him play .

@italics: That shows strong work ethic, not anything else really, which is an asset but not a defining marker of the best player ever. Even Raul Gonzalez (easily my favourite in football) has amazing work ethic probably greater than anyone else could possibly have ever had but I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Zidane or Mueller when it comes to talent. He gives it his 110% on the pitch every game, is the higest goal scorer of Champions League but that doesn't inherently mean he is the best player (technical or otherwise) on the pitch.

Ah no, footie is football or as we Yanks call it - 'soccer'. Don't know if you watch it but Schalke spanked Inter pretty bad on Inter's home turf.

Originally posted by tomnjerry2

How many teams Bradman has played with ...one ??? two ??? Tendulkar has played against 9 different test teams n has scored against all kinds of bowlers .. ??

Originally posted by ShadowKisses


Let me laugh derisively at that again.

Originally posted by ShadowKisses



I can't believe people are actually putting Sachin above Bradman. Seriously? This is not even up for debate. When Sachin averages considerably better than his peers (45+), then we can talk about declaring him above Bradman.

So 52 matches over a 20 year period was just beginner's luck and a fluke? LOL whatever.

TROLOLOLOL. You are trolling now. Dravid stands nowhere near Tendulkar? ROFLMAO. That is an incredulous statement you cannot substantiate. As of now, Tendulkar averages 54 against big teams; Dravid (with piss-poor years of test cricket recently) averages 50 in tests. Dravid's away game average without minnows is 40, SRT's 36 in ODIs. Include home matches and that tips into SRT's favour but I would argue SRT's average is inflated by high score innings of 200 not out.Dravid has consistently performed better in test matches away up until his rut, has won 4 Man of the Match awards in different countries (Australia, England, Pakistan, and WI) away from home in matches India has won (to Tendulkar's 2 against NZ and Bangladesh in recent years) and he stands nowhere near Tendulkar? 1,2.

Let me laugh derisively at that again.

Originally posted by ShadowKisses


Fascinating that you go for both Milan and RM as both have quite distinct playing styles and varying ideologies. RM's last encounter with Milan and Pedro Leon's last gasp equalizer (it was glorious esp. the pass from Benzema) must've sucked either way for you, I guess.