Originally posted by bhinder.thind
Here we go I am getting hardcore example of Confidence ..Opinion is Vital than Facts aww Really? I am not asking What you think about something? I am talking in general by keeping my one hand on pillar of stats Whereas you are using your heart rather than mind ... Go back to classes of Cricket ..Take some lessons and come to exam .. Compete with me any day and still are not gonna pass lets forget about high rank ... Your whole debate is based on **I** .. I would say hmm lets say Rizwan Cheema is a better all Rounder than Imran Khan... can you change it? No .. this is what I think and any debate over it gonna eat time... You stick to point what you think .. If want to have Debate come up with some stats ..
aww really? 52 test matches(104 odd innings) , 45 more average, 2 wickets, 1 format of game, No technology compare to 177 odd test matches ****Rest I mentioned In Previous Post****, Bowlers using technology, More advanced Cricket, Media Pressure, Crowd Pressure, Playing 3 format of game compare to 1, 21y years In Cricket ...... Any Comparison?? If Still you say yes, I can't help it .. Yuvraj average 90.5 In 9 world cup matches .. how about it? Average counts your Not Out status as well ...
When I watched last match Akhtar did manage 10 whereas Brian Lara got out on 0 .. So Akhtar is a better batsman for me ... Moreover, When I watched Afridi got 4 wickets whereas Warne none... So Afridi is a better bowler .....oh really? is this the base of your debate? If this is the base, I am sorry boss its not hard enough to bear weight of statics..
Based on *i* statements but this one is sounding some sense to me ... Both are vital in Test cricket to India .. again does not matter what you watched .. The thing matter is what world watched ... Exactly, Would be a sad day .. Can never get 3 gem of game together In One team ...
I prefer you to read ... Because if i come to speak it will hard to digest and a long lecture Just Joking ... The Best Player is one who goes to Ground ..Got Out ... Next day Go to Practice Session and overcome the shot he got out playing .. Listen to all greats of era, They say that He has No weakness and whenever he got out its more of his mistake rather than bowler's brilliance and thats what i have seen.... Totally oppose to Player when weakness comes front of world stop playing cricket ... aww thats silly? isn't? I can get you hundreds quotes about Sachin's dedication to his profession If your google having virus or somehow it does not work ... They show how he is the first one on the ground in sessions and last one to leave ... Thats what convert stone to fire .. I hope you get it? or i can expect another statement that "I have tried stone-stone interaction and never got fire So I don't admit it?" Debate any day, any time and any where about anything sports, politics, social, fashion whatever you prefer But but Condition is it will not be based on what you think or what you have seen ... c'mon Come out of your room lets go out and see hows weather rather than saying Its dark inside So I think it may be raining ....
Footie? are you talking about Australian Football?
: And yet you're trying to change or at the very least impact my opinion which I've repeatedly stated is limited. Very head against wall, no?
You're asking me to evaluate statistics and rule into Tendulkar's favour because his stats are favourable and I'm telling you that based on what I have seen - empirical evidence - rather than statistical one, he has impressed me less than the other two. How is this emotionally motivated? :S I don't enjoy acting like the professor of an era I saw nothing of (again, this is empircal not emotional) and have nothing but statistics to tell the story.
tbh, I don't have the time to dig them up right now (maybe if I have more time over the weekend I'll come back to this and argue with a statsmonger like yourself) and even if I did, stats are up for interpretation (which is as subjective and can be manipulated) because as you rightly pointed out not out skews averages - as do minnows - and as you earlier said, stats don't always tell the story anyways.
@green: You can easily flip the equation around though. i.e. how many times has Tendulkar played on an uncovered wicket? Or how many more runs could Bradman have made on the pitches discovered over the years? Bradman had things Tendulkar doesn't have to contend (slow wet outfields, bodyline with no helmets, etc) with just like Tendulkar has things Bradman didn't have to contend with.
LOL though, the one time I give stats to work with, you flip it on its head and tell me its useless because averages and by extension stats are skewed by other factors (such as not outs) anyways. Ha, that's contradictory to your "show me the stats because they are better than any empirical interpretation you have" approach! Tendulkar is amazing but his record is
comparable to few batsmen of his era. Bradman's record relative to his
peers is surreal and stuff fairy tales are made of. It is valid to base a comparison off of this because we are comparing batsmen through the ages. Mind, this is just statistics talking not "emotions" since I've never seen him play
That shows strong work ethic, not anything else really, which is an asset but not a defining marker of the best player ever. Even Raul Gonzalez (easily my favourite in football) has amazing work ethic probably greater than anyone else could possibly have ever had but I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Zidane or Mueller when it comes to talent. He gives it his 110% on the pitch every game, is the higest goal scorer of Champions League but that doesn't inherently mean he is the best player (technical or otherwise) on the pitch.
Ah no, footie is football or as we Yanks call it - 'soccer'. Don't know if you watch it but Schalke spanked Inter pretty bad on Inter's home turf.
Edited by ShadowKisses - 06 April 2011 at 12:04am