The Greatest Cricketer Ever? (Page 6)

 

Edited by tomnjerry2 - 05 April 2011 at 12:44am

the god of cricket one n only SACHIN TENDULKAR...........
luv Virat kohli too...

uh sachin tendulkar hands down. no question!

"if cricket is a religion, sachin is the God."


Edited by Cutiepie Rani - 05 April 2011 at 6:39pm

I COMPLETEY AGREE!!!

For the sake of human existence people please just get over this ' Sachin cant bowl or feild ' bhoot and stick it in your brain that HE IS THE BEST!!

@bhinder.thind: You are contradicting yourself by saying stats don't tell the true story and simultaneously citing several of Tendulkar's statistics (for me to infer from, I would assume). Bradman was, as I understand it, the true Colossus of the game as he averaged 45 more runs that the players of his era. I don't think even Sachin has ever managed that over the entireity of his career.

Fact of matter is quite simple - when *I* was passionate about it and watched it, Tendulkar ranked behind Dravid + Ponting for me. It may be that he played well before and after I watched but I haven't watched enough to praise or condemn him for it. I thought I outlined that clearly.

Don't particularly find your argument regarding Tendulkar and Dravid convincing, either. SRT has the edge in ODIs (limited overs) no two ways about it but I'd easily give Dravid the edge in Test matches. I don't know how Dravid has done in the Twenty20 limited overs format as I haven't been following cricket piously so I can't comment on that. However, I have seen enough of him prior to that to know he was a rock in Test series - especially the away ones and this wasn't just towards the supposed end of his career. He'd walk in at shit scores like 3-2 and 6-2 and attempt to save face. I do view him as (slighlty more) invaluable to the team as Tendulkar and it will be a sad day when these two, along with Laxman, decide to retire.

Oh come on, Sachin has no weaknesses? That's bull, tbh. I'm willing to listen/read to what you have to say and have a healthy debate but overstatements like that are getting old, fast.

@tom-jerry: I'm sorry but posting stats out of context doesn't really argue much. Tendulkar averaged 17.25 in Tests back in 2003. That was his worst year by far. I don't really get where you are pulling an average of 57 from. If I had to guess, it would probably have been the WC ODIs that boosted his average. Same with 2006. He had an average of 24-25 in Tests and ODIs make it look better. Ironically, 2005 when he didn't flop so badly in Tests is weighed down by poor ODI performances. While it is nothing short of amazing that he has managed to turn his career around after the debacle of 2007 WC campaign, statements like oh, he's always played well aren't necessarily true IMO.

Off to watch more footie  :D


Edited by ShadowKisses - 05 April 2011 at 9:06pm

Sachin has his weaknesses just like every other cricketer! But he is the "God" of Cricket to not only me but many others out there! Some of the most well known cricketers have nothing but high praise for him! Plus his stats say a lot!

Having said that I know not everyone will agree! Everyone has their own opinion! And I'll respect that!

But for me it will always have to be Tendulkar! There was no one like him and there will never be!

Edited by bhinder.thind - 05 April 2011 at 10:21pm

@bold: And yet you're trying to change or at the very least impact my opinion which I've repeatedly stated is limited. Very head against wall, no?

You're asking me to evaluate statistics and rule into Tendulkar's favour because his stats are favourable and I'm telling you that based on what I have seen - empirical evidence - rather than statistical one, he has impressed me less than the other two. How is this emotionally motivated? :S  I don't enjoy acting like the professor of an era I saw nothing of (again, this is empircal not emotional) and have nothing but statistics to tell the story.

tbh, I don't have the time to dig them up right now (maybe if I have more time over the weekend I'll come back to this and argue with a statsmonger like yourself) and even if I did, stats are up for interpretation (which is as subjective and can be manipulated) because as you rightly pointed out not out skews averages - as do minnows -  and as you earlier said, stats don't always tell the story anyways.

@green: You can easily flip the equation around though. i.e. how many times has Tendulkar played on an uncovered wicket? Or how many more runs could Bradman have made on the pitches discovered over the years? Bradman had things Tendulkar doesn't have to contend (slow wet outfields, bodyline with no helmets, etc) with just like Tendulkar has things Bradman didn't have to contend with.

LOL though, the one time I give stats to work with, you flip it on its head and tell me its useless because averages and by extension stats are skewed by other factors (such as not outs) anyways. Ha, that's contradictory to your "show me the stats because they are better than any empirical interpretation you have" approach! Tendulkar is amazing but his record is comparable to few batsmen of his era. Bradman's record relative to his peers is surreal and stuff fairy tales are made of. It is valid to base a comparison off of this because we are comparing batsmen through the ages. Mind, this is just statistics talking not "emotions" since I've never seen him play .

@italics: That shows strong work ethic, not anything else really, which is an asset but not a defining marker of the best player ever. Even Raul Gonzalez (easily my favourite in football) has amazing work ethic probably greater than anyone else could possibly have ever had but I wouldn't rate him above the likes of Zidane or Mueller when it comes to talent. He gives it his 110% on the pitch every game, is the higest goal scorer of Champions League but that doesn't inherently mean he is the best player (technical or otherwise) on the pitch.

Ah no, footie is football or as we Yanks call it - 'soccer'. Don't know if you watch it but Schalke spanked Inter pretty bad on Inter's home turf.


Edited by ShadowKisses - 06 April 2011 at 12:04am