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NiVren - Please forgive me,I can't stop loving you (Page 39)

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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 7:35pm | IP Logged
But still in initial episodes when dadaji was ill though I find anger in Viren as he was expecting Sid to do something for dadasahib and his concern was genuine when he said his mother he want to do something for his brother there was lot of love in him which I think he himself is unaware now still he love his brother too much I didn't find hatred in him but first time I found hatred during wedding confrontation when he said to Sid ab agar tumne kuch bola to mujhse bura koi nahi hoga as if saying I have given you many chances to speak but you didn't spoke but now I won't give you another chance to hurt anyone.
 
See I feel Viren is not wrong in a sense his ways are wrong but forgiveness is good but it also has the extent like Nivi keep on forgiving but sometime punishment is also required to make other understand that you are doing mistake and how long I am going to tolerate it.
 
Like for example JAAL they killed Bhuvan got over with it, framed Keshav caused dadaji HA despite of knowing truth Sid forgave them and didn't opened the mouth, Chanchal got another boost got sid married to Divya, On Nivi's request BS let her go away and again she is plotting evil. So there should be stopage for this too so Viren is doing exactly that thing.
 
Sid always see tamasha and don't open his mouth when other get wrongly blamed so Viren is putting false blame on him and want to see the tamasha but in that tamasha many more things will come out I think.

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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 7:42pm | IP Logged
Hey Simran how are you and Shova I feel Viren is still very shy, quite and reserved even morethan Nivi. See when Nivi use to say anything he use to blush more than her. He is playful till other person is not replying in same manner. HM scene he said hi to the red dress girl but when she came for a dance he didnot went with her instead send Sid with her show how shy he still is. He can only flirt through talks but if other comes around he will hide somewhere. He is very reserved that's why he never let anyone enter his heart and see his wounds. He hides his pain in his smile if ever he told everything to anyone then may be he wouldn't be so bitter towards life.

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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 7:43pm | IP Logged
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Something I can't understand in the episode it is said that Viren was a bookworm and very shy type,  then when a person is a bookworm is is suppose to be studious and knowledgeable  then how come he got less marks in exams and for this reason he was sent away to Hostel, this does not look normal to me,  BS could be so cruel that he sent away Viren and kept sid with him,  Grandchildren should be equal in their grandparents eyes then why this partiality,  this shows that neither BS is not so doodh ka dhoola .


I have mentioned this in Suchi's post too ! how come a bookworm got a bad report card, especially when he was such a shy kid ? Cildren who has a habbit of reading from an early age, always have very high IQ, so how come Viren got bad marks ??? Confused


i know why Viren would get bad marks in spite of him reading all the books... Because I have seen this. My friend was like this. She would read a lot and knew everything..but she wanted one thing. ATTENTION from her parents.

She knew if she would get good marks ..no one will see it. No one will pay attention. Teacher will not call her parents. See her parents were doctors and they were very busy. She had a full time Nanny who would come to pick her up..feed her..etc etc. The parent would come late at night and she would not get enough time with them.

So, she would purposely fail or get bad marks. Then parents were called and she would get some attention from them. They would talk to her more about her homework etc. they wud ask her regularly about her test and etc.

so, viren probably did the same. he wanted attention and only way to get that was to be destructive. 

By the way if you think about it...The Push to get Attention was so bigg..that he must have committed a biggg biigg mistake (not like failing a class) ..and He Got Attention.

But what attention?? Instead of BS realizing that Viren is a good student and cannot to do..something is up?? what he does? He reacts in the worst Manner a parent can to a revolting child. ..What happened? BS never understood Viren and still does not. No one did  and never tried to. What can be achieved with love..cannot be achieved through anger or hatred. 

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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 7:57pm | IP Logged
Simi I don't think that was the reason because when he was listening to dadaji story both were looking so engrossed in each other still I believe he didn't committed any mistake that time but he is committing Sin this time to frame Sid. In serial if we see Nivi was saved everytime even BS lived the stroke and they will forgive him and Nivi will treat him with love but his ways are suicidal only as he played with Nivi and BS life which could have caused worst relapse for his dadaji and Nivi could have actually lost her mental balance (if she was not strong enough and could have died in fire accident even Divya could have died). These are not small mistakes. Ranshacking room, Karvachauth thalli, phone rings, bike incident, rope incident are still forgetable though in real life they do shake a person badly.
 
I can sympethise with Viren for his childhood but logically whatever he did is Sin and that to a person whom he claimed to love and idolize be it Nivedita, BS and now he is hurting Sid and VD too. By framing Sid and in this he is not even caring what pain VD will go through his allegations on Sid. I know person in hatred do such bigger sins but those Sin remain with that person and couldn't be forgivable.

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Originally posted by Cutie-NivRen

Hey Simran how are you and Shova I feel Viren is still very shy, quite and reserved even morethan Nivi. See when Nivi use to say anything he use to blush more than her. He is playful till other person is not replying in same manner. HM scene he said hi to the red dress girl but when she came for a dance he didnot went with her instead send Sid with her show how shy he still is. He can only flirt through talks but if other comes around he will hide somewhere. He is very reserved that's why he never let anyone enter his heart and see his wounds. He hides his pain in his smile if ever he told everything to anyone then may be he wouldn't be so bitter towards life.

I totally agree with u guys. and believe that is the reason. He is scared of opening up to anyone. Thats why Nivi knows so little about him. and since he did not come home..no one else knows much about him either. 

Wow. they definitely both are in the same boat and Victims like Suchi said. The only difference is Nivi's pain is hidden and comes out in form of tears and Viren's pain remains inside.

Thats why yday Dialog..still echoes in my mind.. When Nivi said "But what about your Pain Viren? What about u..??"  and it was so sweet of Nivi to say.."i want to see your wound and how big it is..and worse it is"

and Viren face said it all "this is nothing...wounds to my heart are much bigger...it does not matter. I am use to it. I am use to hiding it.." 

and see most ppl show their pains n wounds and place they got hurt (in this case I know he is hiding his wounds) but still...even without that Viren never shared his hurt with anyone. because he knew no one will care. 

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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 8:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Cutie-NivRen

Simi I don't think that was the reason because when he was listening to dadaji story both were looking so engrossed in each other still I believe he didn't committed any mistake that time but he is committing Sin this time to frame Sid. In serial if we see Nivi was saved everytime even BS lived the stroke and they will forgive him and Nivi will treat him with love but his ways are suicidal only as he played with Nivi and BS life which could have caused worst relapse for his dadaji and Nivi could have actually lost her mental balance (if she was not strong enough and could have died in fire accident even Divya could have died). These are not small mistakes. Ranshacking room, Karvachauth thalli, phone rings, bike incident, rope incident are still forgetable though in real life they do shake a person badly.
 
I can sympethise with Viren for his childhood but logically whatever he did is Sin and that to a person whom he claimed to love and idolize be it Nivedita, BS and now he is hurting Sid and VD too. By framing Sid and in this he is not even caring what pain VD will go through his allegations on Sid. I know person in hatred do such bigger sins but those Sin remain with that person and couldn't be forgivable.

Rachu.. I agree with all your points. Yes, it is a sin and Yes Framing Sid is not a good idea and yes he is not thinking of VD..

All this applies to you and me. US who are Sane ppl. Normal ppl like us. Who had a normal childhood.

But here we are not talking about us. We are talking about Viren..LOGICALLY DOES NOT APPLY 

Damage is done already...what he is doing now is just the AFTERMATH.

See, all this would not have happened if Viren's parents or BS or anyone would have done damage control when it started. But, no ...No one tried to talk to him. No one explained him to forgive and forget. No one was there for him. You know all the points.

So , in his mind this is not a sin. He is not hurting purposely. If VD will be hurt now..CC was HURT 15 yrs ago too. Everyone has their turn. Thats ok. It will heal eventually.

Please see from Viren's POV and all the points you have posted above do not apply. It only applies to Rationalized mind like ours. but not to his. 


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But in real world these scenes are not forgettable and doer has to bear punishment. You are right that he is not sane but revenge can led that person to destruction only. I am talking in one more sense see he is shown to play music and read lots of books this actually make a perosn wise and knowlegable and if you see he is the person who initially helped a girl who was in danger so this mean he knows the difference of hurt and hurting other. He knows that girl never hurted you but you still hurting her

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Posted: 25 January 2011 at 8:18pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Cutie-NivRen

But in real world these scenes are not forgettable and doer has to bear punishment. You are right that he is not sane but revenge can led that person to destruction only. I am talking in one more sense see he is shown to play music and read lots of books this actually make a perosn wise and knowlegable and if you see he is the person who initially helped a girl who was in danger so this mean he knows the difference of hurt and hurting other. He knows that girl never hurted you but you still hurting her

Punishment??? What bigger punishment then what he has already going through right now?? Dont you think he knows that? He already has made himself SO RIGID and SO STONE HEARTED that no Punishment will hurt him now.

Yes, guiltiness will come..and surely when truth comes out..He will Repent and He will Cry to Nivi to Forgive him...He will Repent...and then the test is of Nivi's love and her Understanding..and her belief..n faith in god..all of it. ..Viren already Failed in his Test to Forgive BS and everyone..Do you want Nivi to fail too??.

See, remember this saying...its is said by our elders for many generations

FORGIVENESS IS HIGHER THAN REVENGE. Because Forgiveness takes more Guts. It takes more than any human punishment can give. It takes power of soul to Forgive. 

And If Nivi will not Forgive Viren and who will??? The fact that BS, CC, YD , JW etc all...Did NOT Forgive Viren and did Tit for Tat and Showed Their Anger against His Anger.. LED TO HIS CRAP.

So, Ask Yourself...Do you want Viren to Rise from this situation or fall more deeper into it??? Your Answer will decide whether Nivi should forgive Viren or Nivi should punish Viren.


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