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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:09am | IP Logged
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Interesting arguments.
 
First, I do think that Madhu started out as a genuine character and still is. Compared to Kala, Leela, and Roops, she's the most genuine of the sisters - the only sister who has truly shown that she cares for her brother. I do agree that the CV haven't given her any amount of actual substance. They stopped before they'd even gotten started.
 
I don't see how she's hyper or flounces around. She reminds me a lot of Nakku in the beginning of the show. Talkative, honest, smiling, and someone who wants to be close to the people that she cares about. The CVs haven't taken time to develop her character much, and especially now with the Seema-Chaskar-Kala track, there's been even less of her. But I do believe that she has a lot to offer if given the chance. In fact, I believe that she could prove to be a much stronger character than Roops and Leela combined.
 
Regarding Madhu, I don't believe that she was randomly thrown in. I felt that she had a purpose and a role to play in Dutta's life. However, suddenly the CVs simply forgot about her somewhere along the way. That doesn't deem her character useless, though. I do think that the CVs can still save the character of Madhu if they give her a chance. And I believe that there can be a different track for Baji and her with a lot more to show and tell than what was (or wasn't) between Baji and Roops.
 
I do agree that the CVs keep on changing some of their characters. For instance, Roops and at times Leela. But I sense that Madhu is earnest by heart. She is the sister that Dutta deserves.
 
I understand your comment about family not being alone about blood-relations. But what I meant was that if we speak of blood-relation, then Madhu is the only sister that Dutta has. Yes, I agree that Baji, Nakku and AS are his family, but my comment was regarding the fact that Dutta isn't son of AS and the blood-related brother of Kala-Leela-Roops. But he is the blood-related brother of Madhu, and no matter what people might say about family not being about blood, in the end blood relations do matter to an extent. To find out that you have a sister means a lot to Dutta, even if he didn't show it when she first showed up.
 
And if one looks closely at the one moment between him and Madhu in which he opened his heart, one will notice that he hasn't shared such a moment with either of his other "sisters". That alone, in my opinion, speaks a lot about their relationship and its potential depth. That is, if the CVs decide to dig deeper.
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I couldn't have said it better. The moments spent with Roop was more or less abt her wellbeing & concern for her.But the moment with Madhu was pouring his heart out.I've never seen him talk about his feelings to his cousins. The "unique" relationship with Roop is there because somewhere in his heart of hearts D is sure the girl's got a few nuts loose in her brain.Hence the extra care.

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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:17am | IP Logged
I find it interesting that in the case of Madhu, we are expected by some ppl not to say anything about the character since it is all the "creatives's doing", but when it comes to Roops, then it's fine to say whatever cuz apparently then the "logic" of "let's only blame the creatives" doesn't seem to apply.....very interestingLOL

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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:19am | IP Logged
Originally posted by nureat01

 
"Hmmm so the only criteria for "genuine" is that the person in question be a "positive" character? Being a "positive" character automatically makes Madhu a great character? I disagree again....to make a character genuine, their motivations need to be shown beyond a "Oh you're my long lost brother, I love you muah muahh"Confused....I find those to be quite superficial characteristics. We are TOLD that she's positive....and her bonding with the characters has been THRUST on to them....no sense of subtlety."
 
I never claimed that the only criteria for "genuine" is that the person be a "positive character". But in comparison to Kala-Leela-Roops, then I do think that Madhu is genuine. I think that she does speak honestly from her heart without intending to hurt anyone. She does care about Dutta in a way that Kala-Leela-Roops don't.
 
I agree that to make a character genuine, his/her motivations need to be shown as other than just gushing. But the CVs haven't really given Madhu's character a fair chance. But I disagree that we were told that she's positive. It was shown through her actions toward Nakku, Dutta, AS, and the others.
Woahhhh there! She reminds you of NAKKU??ShockedShockedLOL.....Ok again I have to disagree vehemently....Nakku has her child-like traits of naivete no doubt but Madhu doesn't....Madhu comes across as more whiny and ignorant than anything else....whiny that ppl aren't giving her love just cuz she's shown up as Dutta's sister....and honestly innocence toh bahut door ki baat hai....just cuz she keeps childishly demanding for Dutta's love doesn't make her the same as Nakku and lastly the actress playing Madhu can't bring across that innocence that Nakku has in a million years....she looks older than Baaji.
I don't mean that she has child-like traits. Being talkative isn't only a child-like trait, in my opinion. Neither is being honest and smiling. I don't find Madhu whining. Considering the fact that she has been alone for years and now has a whole family that she's trying to feel a part of, yet doesn't, would make any normal human-being feel insecure and even sad. I don't think that she keeps childishly demanding for Dutta's love. What part made you think/feel that? I'm curious.
 
You're right. Madhu can't bring across the innocence that Nakku has in a million years. I never claimed that she could.
 
Really? So this is just about deserving? Madhu has a big stamp of POSITIVE CARING SISTER on her forehead so she is the only one who is worthy of being Dutta's sister? No matter how superficially those "caring" traits are shown?.....I'd think Dutta would deserve a sister who has some depth and complexity to her character more than anything else....a sister who has more to life than just running around crying "bhaiyya bhaiyya" and "mumma mumma"....why are we never shown any of Madhu's motivations beyond her obsession with wanting Dutta's affection and overnight becoming BFFs with Nakku? Dutta is such an interesting, complex character and his "deserving" sister is so one-dimensional? Sad.....Roops may be "evil" but atleast they've shown more layers to her character in comparison.

Once again, let me reiterate, that I'm comparing Madhu to Kala-Leela-Roops. Compared to them, compared to the way that his "sisters" have treated him, then yes, he does deserve a sister like Madhu rather than them. I never claimed that she's the only one deservint to be Dutta's sister, but again compared to Kala-Leela-Roops, then she is most definitely the one that he deserves more. How do you find those "caring traits" superficial? How is feeding your brother while he's drunk and can't feed himself superficial? How is steadying him when he stumbles superficial?

 

I agree that Madhu's isn't multi-dimensional. But she could be. Regarding Roops, I don't feel that they've shown more layers to her character. They've tried, but I thought that the actress didn't manage to bring it out well enough for me to see. But I do understand where you're coming from and to an extent I do agree with you. 

That moment was also born of the fact that Madhu was talking to him about NAKKU....Dutta shares a different sort of relationship with each of his sisters....it's different with Kala, it's different with Roops....if we want to talk moments, I also loved the moment during the DP track when Dutta is worried about Roops and she comes down to save Baaji and Dutta kinda pats her on the head affectionately....he shares a unique relationship with Roops that way too which the creatives haven't bothered fleshing out either.
To begin with, Dutta asked Madhu about what she was doing in London. She shared her inner emotions about being lonely there and how she felt that she had found so much more by coming to India. This moment was Madhu opening up and revealing her vulnerability, just like Dutta opens up and reveals his about Nakku. I don't think that one can compare this moment to Dutta patting Roops on her head affectionately.
 
I do agree, though, that Dutta shares a different relationship with each one of his sisters.
 
Let's just agree to disagree Smile
 
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I couldn't have said it better. The moments spent with Roop was more or less abt her wellbeing & concern for her.But the moment with Madhu was pouring his heart out.I've never seen him talk about his feelings to his cousins. The "unique" relationship with Roop is there because somewhere in his heart of hearts D is sure the girl's got a few nuts loose in her brain.Hence the extra care.
 
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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by ZubyDutta

This thought has always been on my mind since the day Madhu entered the show.Thanks for bringing about this postSmile You have spoken my mind.

I was so thrilled the day they announced the entry of D's sister in the show especially since I was so disappointed with the handling of the DP track. Here would be someone who would love D unconditionally & I fervently hoped would shove it up Kala so to speak on behalf of her brother.A sort of a Maratha tigress being DP's daughter & D' sister.Alas how my heart sank when she entered the show dressed like a plastic doll & behaving even more bizarrely. The concept is so fantastic. But the execution so sloppy.So much could have been done & there is still hope if only CVs would put their mind to it.Its a goldmine to be tapped. There is so much potential here.I love the idea of D army being fortified by the presence of Madhu. D's own kid sister.
 
The girl loves D without expecting anything in return.All she wants is acceptance by her brother. She didn't seek attention but was merely standing forlornly when Baji happened to ask her why she was sad. Her grievance was a reply to Baji's concerned query.Its only human.When ignored for days on end in a totally new place if someone shows genuine concern we do pour out our heart to them. What's wrong in that? Won't you run calling after your mom if she is leaves a room very distressed.Don't know about others but I surely would go screaming after her.By nature she is so much like D.Good natured & pure hearted.That she means no harm to D & loves him just like AS,Baji & Nakku is good enough for me to like her.
 
The presence of a character like Madhu in D's life & the handling of her character by the creatives are two entirely different issues. When we talk of Madhu we mean D's loving sister who would be another strong pillar in his life.Its not right to mix up the two issues & go after her alone.If anyone is to blame here its the creatives not the character Madhu.
 
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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:29am | IP Logged
Well we are talking of way of portrayal of the characters aren't we? Not about the individual actions done by the characters.Going after the brother who is more or less a father in a myriad of ways, abusing a poor servant using the most cruel words, grabbing a small terrified boy , locking him up to paint his face black are not ways of executions.Its the characters traits. I consider these more heinous than running after ur mom or bro.This is the most Madhu can be accused of.
BTW no one said anything about Roop.The initial discussion was about Madhu onlyShocked 


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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 10:32am | IP Logged
Originally posted by nureat01

I find it interesting that in the case of Madhu, we are expected by some ppl not to say anything about the character since it is all the "creatives's doing", but when it comes to Roops, then it's fine to say whatever cuz apparently then the "logic" of "let's only blame the creatives" doesn't seem to apply.....very interestingLOL
 
To be honest, I feel that the CVs gave Roops depth at one point (when she began to feel remorse for what she had done to Bhao), but the actress didn't manage to play the substantial parts in a convincing way. She didn't manage to bring across the conflicted emotions and pain that Roops must've been feeling at the memories of what she'd done.
 
Thus, I think, that they changed her back to being "evil".

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