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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:30pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Rani2011

Hi Moni, thanks for ur warm welcome! how r u?
Nope, I din't dare to go to that thread it just happened coz of my curser Smile since I went there, I read few postsWink it was not worth anyways... won't do that mistake again ooops....
 
 
Yes U better should nt do tht mistake again mistakelyy also LOL otherwise ur mind will b spinning 24/7 ROFL

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hello girls *hugs*

I see some of you are back to doubting and bashing Viren, and its okay I respect your opinion, but I have been thinking about Viren and Nivi all day today ! The reason I did not say NivRen is because NivRen is when we talk about the two of them together, but they have their own individuality too !! So I tried to think about all this from their perspective.

Yesterday I had written a post about how I think Nivi will react when she finds out about Viren, so today I will talk about only Viren.

I'm going to presume here that Viren is the stalker okay ? In that case I myself and Nivi should hate him because to mentally torture someone for the sake of your revenge is truly cruel, but unfortunately I can't hate him. I will tell you why !!

When Viren arrived in Shimla, he met Nivi, and saved her honor and life. That was not pretend or fake ! He was ready to give up his own life for a stranger, that shows that he is a decent human being who respects woman, that itself is a great proof for me that he is not evil or a negative character. So if he respects woman so much and is such a decent human being, why did he use a helpless girl who is his wife to take revenge on his own brother ? That is a very vital and a interesting question ! It makes you think right ?

I don't know what happened in the past or in childhood that made Viren hate Sid so much, but I can say one thing for sure that it was not a small or a petty thing, because we cannot forget that flash back scene of Viren with Chanchal where he tells her that he has tried to take his life before, but unfortunately he didn't die, but next time there would be no mistake. Whatever happened with Sid must have been so huge, traumatic and painful that even a strong guy like Viren wanted to end his life so he does not have to live with what happened and the pain that goes with it.  If that is not worrisome enough that he tried to end his life, the fact that CC had no idea that he has tried to commit suicide is something which is actually haunting me, because it shows that not only did they send him away from the family, but no one ever bothered to check up on Viren and his well being !!

Today we are all sitting on this forum and debating about what is right and what is wrong, because we all were fortunate enough to have someone guide us when we were kids !! Our parents, grandparents, our siblings, but Viren had no one, because they were all too busy with their own lives to give him the love and attention he deserved, and whenever he did visit his so called family, he was reminded time and time again that whatever he does, he will and never was good enough as Sid !!

I'm not saying that whatever Viren is doing or has done is right, no it is not, especially to Nivi, because she is completely innocent in all this, but I can understand or at least try to understand why Viren is doing all this !! Because when you have never been taught what is right or wrong, how can you differentiate ! I know most of you will say that he is an educated guy and that his teachers and educational institutes are a good place to learn about right and wrong, and yes true, but what they teach you in schools is theory, from books, they can tell you how it is, but we all practice or implement what we learned in our personal lives, and that is how we learn, because if we make a mistake, our family is there to tell us, that this is the way to do this, this is the way to differentiate between right and wrong !!!

We all have seen time and time again that Viren still acts like a child sometime, and now a days, he looks like a very angry but a lost child to me, who is hell bent on proving himself right, but is also craving for a loved one to tell him that he is right, even amidst this hatred, is that small lost child, who is dying for approval, and that is why he is leaving these clues behind, that is why he wants Nivi to question him, that is why he wants Nivi to trust him, because he wants that approval from someone he respects and cares about someone whom he can call his own !! Cry

We all are blessed with love, family attention and care all our lives, so we can't imagine the pain, fear, helplessness that a small child goes through when he/she finds himself/herself all alone, especially when you have a family, but they just don't care. At least when you are orphan, you have a valid reason for being alone, but to have a family, and still grown up alone, fight your own demons ad this cruel world, it is every  child's nightmare !!! Cry

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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:36pm | IP Logged
IF I have a CHOICE:

Option 1:
FORGIVE Sid for NOT and NEVER standing up for Nivi and letting her be tortured by everyone and be ACCUSED as Manhoos etc etc. and breaking her heart as a Lover and as a Friend. 

Option 2:
Forgive Viren for What he did to Nivi about MP thing..Just 1 track. 

I WILL CHOOSE OPTION 2 ANY DAY.

I will forgive Viren anyday. The reasons we know.

1. Nivi came out stronger from this
2. Her heart can again love and feel loved (most imp) 
3. She feels lucky and believes in her  (she said that at HM herself)
4. She feels worthy of someones love (when she saw herself in mirror from Viren's POV)
5. She believes in Standing up and Fighting for herself. Like how she tried to stop CC from holding her hand and dragging her and also when Dadi was not well
6. She knows what true colors are of Everyone and more are to come out. 

and most imp Nivi knows and believes and feels and understands VIREN LOVES HER UNCONDITIONALLY n LIMITLESS..THERE ARE NO BOUNDARIES OR CONDITIONS TO HIS LOVE

He will always be there in happiness and pain and sorrows etc.

This kind of assurance and security and love and friendship and faith and love was Never given by SID.

Nivi did not get anything from Sid but pain n humiliation.

I LOVE YOU VIREN FOR WHAT YOU ARE. PLEASE ALWAYS BE THERE FOR NIVI AND LOVE HER ENDLESSLY. which we know he will but still my heart reaches out to him and thanks him for making Nivi a stronger person and loving her so much.

I see Love on Viren's face..inspite of all this.
But, I see No Love on Sid's and now I feel I never did. I saw other feelings but never true Love. Which is very sad. 


Edited by simran728 - 22 January 2011 at 12:40pm

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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:38pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by savera2007

Originally posted by Excruciating

Hi Abidah! I am good, I guess gearing up for a busy weekend ahead. Smile Good to know, you are from Denmark! Don't think we have anyone from there. This is awesome! I so love our thread, with all these folks from so many different parts of the world! Real nice! Clap
You are right, about all these Sid-Putul fans. I am myself surprised at how many folks want them to be together. Smile But I guess I can respect their opinions and maybe even relate to it. The way CCBM's story started, it was shown as if they, Sid and Nivi were like soul mates, that's seriously how it was portrayed. But then, when the story starts unfolding, Sid I don't think remained worthy of being that, her soul mate. He just didn't stand up for her!! And, hence all of us appreciated Viren so much. But I guess, they are still holding on to that aspect, that it was at the end of the day a love story between Sid and Putul. Unhappy


Hi, 

Well my weeks are always busy, so that is why i always keep my posts short ;)

I cannot see how Sid and Putul are meant to be and my personal opninion is that marriages shouldn't be broken. Yeah we might nok like what Viren did to Nivi or is doing, but hey give the couple a chance to sort out the problems they have. 


 
 
Yupp Abiaah Completlyy agrred . n most imp thng is tht they Both love each other So let them sort out d problems . Let them help each other solving all misunderstandings n mental problems they r gong thru . wht is d mean of punishment n breaking d marige n all ?

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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:39pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by xaviara

hello girls *hugs*

I see some of you are back to doubting and bashing Viren, and its okay I respect your opinion, but I have been thinking about Viren and Nivi all day today ! The reason I did not say NivRen is because NivRen is when we talk about the two of them together, but they have their own individuality too !! So I tried to think about all this from their perspective.

Yesterday I had written a post about how I think Nivi will react when she finds out about Viren, so today I will talk about only Viren.

I'm going to presume here that Viren is the stalker okay ? In that case I myself and Nivi should hate him because to mentally torture someone for the sake of your revenge is truly cruel, but unfortunately I can't hate him. I will tell you why !!

When Viren arrived in Shimla, he met Nivi, and saved her honor and life. That was not pretend or fake ! He was ready to give up his own life for a stranger, that shows that he is a decent human being who respects woman, that itself is a great proof for me that he is not evil or a negative character. So if he respects woman so much and is such a decent human being, why did he use a helpless girl who is his wife to take revenge on his own brother ? That is a very vital and a interesting question ! It makes you think right ?

I don't know what happened in the past or in childhood that made Viren hate Sid so much, but I can say one thing for sure that it was not a small or a petty thing, because we cannot forget that flash back scene of Viren with Chanchal where he tells her that he has tried to take his life before, but unfortunately he didn't die, but next time there would be no mistake. Whatever happened with Sid must have been so huge, traumatic and painful that even a strong guy like Viren wanted to end his life so he does not have to live with what happened and the pain that goes with it.  If that is not worrisome enough that he tried to end his life, the fact that CC had no idea that he has tried to commit suicide is something which is actually haunting me, because it shows that not only did they send him away from the family, but no one ever bothered to check up on Viren and his well being !!

Today we are all sitting on this forum and debating about what is right and what is wrong, because we all were fortunate enough to have someone guide us when we were kids !! Our parents, grandparents, our siblings, but Viren had no one, because they were all too busy with their own lives to give him the love and attention he deserved, and whenever he did visit his so called family, he was reminded time and time again that whatever he does, he will and never was good enough as Sid !!

I'm not saying that whatever Viren is doing or has done is right, no it is not, especially to Nivi, because she is completely innocent in all this, but I can understand or at least try to understand why Viren is doing all this !! Because when you have never been taught what is right or wrong, how can you differentiate ! I know most of you will say that he is an educated guy and that his teachers and educational institutes are a good place to learn about right and wrong, and yes true, but what they teach you in schools is theory, from books, they can tell you how it is, but we all practice or implement what we learned in our personal lives, and that is how we learn, because if we make a mistake, our family is there to tell us, that this is the way to do this, this is the way to differentiate between right and wrong !!!

We all have seen time and time again that Viren still acts like a child sometime, and now a days, he looks like a very angry but a lost child to me, who is hell bent on proving himself right, but is also craving for a loved one to tell him that he is right, even amidst this hatred, is that small lost child, who is dying for approval, and that is why he is leaving these clues behind, that is why he wants Nivi to question him, that is why he wants Nivi to trust him, because he wants that approval from someone he respects and cares about someone whom he can call his own !! Cry

We all are blessed with love, family attention and care all our lives, so we can't imagine the pain, fear, helplessness that a small child goes through when he/she finds himself/herself all alone, especially when you have a family, but they just don't care. At least when you are orphan, you have a valid reason for being alone, but to have a family, and still grown up alone, fight your own demons ad this cruel world, it is every  child's nightmare !!! Cry


To awesome yaar and I 200 % agree with u :)

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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:39pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by xaviara

hello girls *hugs*

I see some of you are back to doubting and bashing Viren, and its okay I respect your opinion, but I have been thinking about Viren and Nivi all day today ! The reason I did not say NivRen is because NivRen is when we talk about the two of them together, but they have their own individuality too !! So I tried to think about all this from their perspective.

Yesterday I had written a post about how I think Nivi will react when she finds out about Viren, so today I will talk about only Viren.

I'm going to presume here that Viren is the stalker okay ? In that case I myself and Nivi should hate him because to mentally torture someone for the sake of your revenge is truly cruel, but unfortunately I can't hate him. I will tell you why !!

When Viren arrived in Shimla, he met Nivi, and saved her honor and life. That was not pretend or fake ! He was ready to give up his own life for a stranger, that shows that he is a decent human being who respects woman, that itself is a great proof for me that he is not evil or a negative character. So if he respects woman so much and is such a decent human being, why did he use a helpless girl who is his wife to take revenge on his own brother ? That is a very vital and a interesting question ! It makes you think right ?

I don't know what happened in the past or in childhood that made Viren hate Sid so much, but I can say one thing for sure that it was not a small or a petty thing, because we cannot forget that flash back scene of Viren with Chanchal where he tells her that he has tried to take his life before, but unfortunately he didn't die, but next time there would be no mistake. Whatever happened with Sid must have been so huge, traumatic and painful that even a strong guy like Viren wanted to end his life so he does not have to live with what happened and the pain that goes with it.  If that is not worrisome enough that he tried to end his life, the fact that CC had no idea that he has tried to commit suicide is something which is actually haunting me, because it shows that not only did they send him away from the family, but no one ever bothered to check up on Viren and his well being !!

Today we are all sitting on this forum and debating about what is right and what is wrong, because we all were fortunate enough to have someone guide us when we were kids !! Our parents, grandparents, our siblings, but Viren had no one, because they were all too busy with their own lives to give him the love and attention he deserved, and whenever he did visit his so called family, he was reminded time and time again that whatever he does, he will and never was good enough as Sid !!

I'm not saying that whatever Viren is doing or has done is right, no it is not, especially to Nivi, because she is completely innocent in all this, but I can understand or at least try to understand why Viren is doing all this !! Because when you have never been taught what is right or wrong, how can you differentiate ! I know most of you will say that he is an educated guy and that his teachers and educational institutes are a good place to learn about right and wrong, and yes true, but what they teach you in schools is theory, from books, they can tell you how it is, but we all practice or implement what we learned in our personal lives, and that is how we learn, because if we make a mistake, our family is there to tell us, that this is the way to do this, this is the way to differentiate between right and wrong !!!

We all have seen time and time again that Viren still acts like a child sometime, and now a days, he looks like a very angry but a lost child to me, who is hell bent on proving himself right, but is also craving for a loved one to tell him that he is right, even amidst this hatred, is that small lost child, who is dying for approval, and that is why he is leaving these clues behind, that is why he wants Nivi to question him, that is why he wants Nivi to trust him, because he wants that approval from someone he respects and cares about someone whom he can call his own !! Cry

We all are blessed with love, family attention and care all our lives, so we can't imagine the pain, fear, helplessness that a small child goes through when he/she finds himself/herself all alone, especially when you have a family, but they just don't care. At least when you are orphan, you have a valid reason for being alone, but to have a family, and still grown up alone, fight your own demons ad this cruel world, it is every  child's nightmare !!! Cry



I agree with you, the fact that Viren had saved Nivi several times risking his own life, without knowing that she s the girl he is searching for  is  virtually enough to prove that he isn't a bad person at heart and yes it does reveal a lot about his personality. I honestly do not feel that Viren is a nevative character at all. and i am sure whatever he is doing will have a strong reason. x

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Originally posted by savera2007

Originally posted by Excruciating

Hi Abidah! I am good, I guess gearing up for a busy weekend ahead. Smile Good to know, you are from Denmark! Don't think we have anyone from there. This is awesome! I so love our thread, with all these folks from so many different parts of the world! Real nice! Clap
You are right, about all these Sid-Putul fans. I am myself surprised at how many folks want them to be together. Smile But I guess I can respect their opinions and maybe even relate to it. The way CCBM's story started, it was shown as if they, Sid and Nivi were like soul mates, that's seriously how it was portrayed. But then, when the story starts unfolding, Sid I don't think remained worthy of being that, her soul mate. He just didn't stand up for her!! And, hence all of us appreciated Viren so much. But I guess, they are still holding on to that aspect, that it was at the end of the day a love story between Sid and Putul. Unhappy


Hi, 

Well my weeks are always busy, so that is why i always keep my posts short ;)

I cannot see how Sid and Putul are meant to be and my personal opninion is that marriages shouldn't be broken. Yeah we might nok like what Viren did to Nivi or is doing, but hey give the couple a chance to sort out the problems they have. 


 
 
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Posted: 22 January 2011 at 12:41pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by xaviara

hello girls *hugs*

I see some of you are back to doubting and bashing Viren, and its okay I respect your opinion, but I have been thinking about Viren and Nivi all day today ! The reason I did not say NivRen is because NivRen is when we talk about the two of them together, but they have their own individuality too !! So I tried to think about all this from their perspective.

Yesterday I had written a post about how I think Nivi will react when she finds out about Viren, so today I will talk about only Viren.

I'm going to presume here that Viren is the stalker okay ? In that case I myself and Nivi should hate him because to mentally torture someone for the sake of your revenge is truly cruel, but unfortunately I can't hate him. I will tell you why !!

When Viren arrived in Shimla, he met Nivi, and saved her honor and life. That was not pretend or fake ! He was ready to give up his own life for a stranger, that shows that he is a decent human being who respects woman, that itself is a great proof for me that he is not evil or a negative character. So if he respects woman so much and is such a decent human being, why did he use a helpless girl who is his wife to take revenge on his own brother ? That is a very vital and a interesting question ! It makes you think right ?

I don't know what happened in the past or in childhood that made Viren hate Sid so much, but I can say one thing for sure that it was not a small or a petty thing, because we cannot forget that flash back scene of Viren with Chanchal where he tells her that he has tried to take his life before, but unfortunately he didn't die, but next time there would be no mistake. Whatever happened with Sid must have been so huge, traumatic and painful that even a strong guy like Viren wanted to end his life so he does not have to live with what happened and the pain that goes with it.  If that is not worrisome enough that he tried to end his life, the fact that CC had no idea that he has tried to commit suicide is something which is actually haunting me, because it shows that not only did they send him away from the family, but no one ever bothered to check up on Viren and his well being !!

Today we are all sitting on this forum and debating about what is right and what is wrong, because we all were fortunate enough to have someone guide us when we were kids !! Our parents, grandparents, our siblings, but Viren had no one, because they were all too busy with their own lives to give him the love and attention he deserved, and whenever he did visit his so called family, he was reminded time and time again that whatever he does, he will and never was good enough as Sid !!

I'm not saying that whatever Viren is doing or has done is right, no it is not, especially to Nivi, because she is completely innocent in all this, but I can understand or at least try to understand why Viren is doing all this !! Because when you have never been taught what is right or wrong, how can you differentiate ! I know most of you will say that he is an educated guy and that his teachers and educational institutes are a good place to learn about right and wrong, and yes true, but what they teach you in schools is theory, from books, they can tell you how it is, but we all practice or implement what we learned in our personal lives, and that is how we learn, because if we make a mistake, our family is there to tell us, that this is the way to do this, this is the way to differentiate between right and wrong !!!

We all have seen time and time again that Viren still acts like a child sometime, and now a days, he looks like a very angry but a lost child to me, who is hell bent on proving himself right, but is also craving for a loved one to tell him that he is right, even amidst this hatred, is that small lost child, who is dying for approval, and that is why he is leaving these clues behind, that is why he wants Nivi to question him, that is why he wants Nivi to trust him, because he wants that approval from someone he respects and cares about someone whom he can call his own !! Cry

We all are blessed with love, family attention and care all our lives, so we can't imagine the pain, fear, helplessness that a small child goes through when he/she finds himself/herself all alone, especially when you have a family, but they just don't care. At least when you are orphan, you have a valid reason for being alone, but to have a family, and still grown up alone, fight your own demons ad this cruel world, it is every  child's nightmare !!! Cry

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Omv!!!
That was just soooo beautifully explained.
I was also thinking about this, but I couldn't find the words to actually write down what I was trying to say, but you have done it perfectly!
Its not and never was Viren's fault that he never got a true understanding of how important a family is in building up a person.
And I also think that because he has seen SO much evil happening to him, not just by Sid, who must have done something to him, but he has also faced evil from his mum CC, and YD, who keeps on saying that Sid is always better than Viren. JW has not even been a father figure to Viren, so deep inside, I also think he wants to, not take revenge, but tell everyone how lonely he was by using evil, because thats how they treated him ... the negative way!
 
And besides that anger, is the anger of how everyone is treating Nivi, which he cannot and under no circumstance, will tolerate, since for the FIRST time in his life, he has found something that is HIS, and he will fight for it, even if it means giving his life away for Nivi. And seeing people HURT Nivi, HIS life and wife, do you honestly think that Viren will put up with the same treatment that was done on him, be done on Nivi? NO WAY!
 
So that is also another perspective of why Viren would be doing all this, Like I've said, Viren has got MANY logical explantions and justified ones that he can give, when everyone, or even Nivi finds out why Viren is doing this!

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