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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 12:27am | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by souro

How about this:-
1. Conduct an aptitude test at the age of 18 and only those candidates who obtain above 50% marks will be eligible for voting rights
2. Put a condition that those candidates who obtained voting rights can vote only after they have started working and are paying taxes (i.e. earning equal to or more than the taxable income)

Check for aptitude and sanity makes sense.
How about the more tax you pay the more votes you getLOL
The system would be blamed for siding the rich.

Yes, ideally the more tax someone pays the greater should be the weight of their vote. However, since the top 1% controls a huge portion of the wealth, there are high chances of a cartel forming.

In Malaysia they gave incentives to the voters, "money politics" which Govt disapproves officially but goes on happening in the villages.
 Politicians are sly and clever and totally slippery like a slithering snake.

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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 12:32am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by souro

Originally posted by Summer3

Originally posted by souro

How about this:-
1. Conduct an aptitude test at the age of 18 and only those candidates who obtain above 50% marks will be eligible for voting rights
2. Put a condition that those candidates who obtained voting rights can vote only after they have started working and are paying taxes (i.e. earning equal to or more than the taxable income)

Check for aptitude and sanity makes sense.
How about the more tax you pay the more votes you getLOL
The system would be blamed for siding the rich.

Yes, ideally the more tax someone pays the greater should be the weight of their vote. However, since the top 1% controls a huge portion of the wealth, there are high chances of a cartel forming.

In Malaysia they gave incentives to the voters, "money politics" which Govt disapproves officially but goes on happening in the villages.
 Politicians are sly and clever and totally slippery like a slithering snake.


It happens in India too, especially in the rural areas. Even some prominent politicians have been photographed distributing money or jewelry. But they always deny all charges and say that they have been misrepresented or misunderstood. Everyone knows what's happening but we act like it's not happening, waiting for the time the law comes and tells us that yes, it has finally been proved that it is happening.


Edited by souro - 19 January 2011 at 12:33am

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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 12:47am | IP Logged
Yep most countries have this problem of vote buying in one form or other.
 
In Singapore there is not much opposition as the main party has a stronghold which is hard to break; people still respect the old man Mr. Lee K Y ( now a Senior Minister)
Do not know what happens if he goes.
 
Currently most of the opposition party members have been quite badly whacked in courts for one charge or other. So there is no creible opposition left.
 
Good thing is that the economy is heathy and working well under present system eventhough it may seem imperfect.
This small place here cannot afford any social unrest like what has happened in the 60s.
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How was your trip to the Maldives ?
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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 1:04am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Yep most countries have this problem of vote buying in one form or other.
 
In Singapore there is not much opposition as the main party has a stronghold which is hard to break; people still respect the old man Mr. Lee K Y ( now a Senior Minister)
Do not know what happens if he goes.
 
Currently most of the opposition party members have been quite badly whacked in courts for one charge or other. So there is no creible opposition left.
 
Good thing is that the economy is heathy and working well under present system eventhough it may seem imperfect.
This small place here cannot afford any social unrest like what has happened in the 60s.
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How was your trip to the Maldives ?


I won't want a situation like Singapore either. It's an extreme measure to not allow any opposition to exist. Opposition and critics are necessary to spur the government on and also helps the govt. in taking correct and rational decisions through a proper debate. What Singapore does, i.e. destroy opposition politicians mentally and financially by making false charges, is dishonest and corrupt.
It might be that the current group of Singapore politicians have the larger good of the public and the country on their mind and therefore, the country is doing good. But if a group of politicians from this same party come to power, who are corrupt and want to fill their pockets, then with no one to oppose them the people will be doomed.


I didn't go to Maldives. I said that I'll have to plan my trip soon cos otherwise the country might get submerged and I won't get a chance to visit it.



Edited by souro - 19 January 2011 at 1:08am
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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 1:40am | IP Logged
Originally posted by souro

 
I won't want a situation like Singapore either. It's an extreme measure to not allow any opposition to exist. Opposition and critics are necessary to spur the government on and also helps the govt. in taking correct and rational decisions through a proper debate. What Singapore does, i.e. destroy opposition politicians mentally and financially by making false charges, is dishonest and corrupt.
It might be that the current group of Singapore politicians have the larger good of the public and the country on their mind and therefore, the country is doing good. But if a group of politicians from this same party come to power, who are corrupt and want to fill their pockets, then with no one to oppose them the people will be doomed.


I didn't go to Maldives. I said that I'll have to plan my trip soon cos otherwise the country might get submerged and I won't get a chance to visit it.

 
Singapore has its many disadvantages too especially for those who are poor. But way I see it there is enough jobs for everyone who is willing to work; a lot of labour is all imported.
Hotels, Casinos, factories and restaurants have many foreigners working under work pemits. Banks too have foreigners.
Medical n Education is subsidized but not free. It is ridiculous as Singapore is pretty rich and can afford to give free medical and education.
Hightest paid Ministers in the world is found here. The discrepency is huge in salaries.
But there is also much lesser corruption everywhere.
Cost of living is high so the poor are the ones to suffer more. Fortunately Govt provides housing at lower costs to the less privileged.
 
Yes there is not much democracy but most Singaporeans do not care much about Politics as they are busy trying to make their own money and have a good life. 
 
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Sorry for missing your trip to the sinking island. Island paradise is fun except that you do not feel like going back home.
 
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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 1:56am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Believe

I believe democracy basically means government by the people, of the people, for the people, bt the people are retarded....So let us say... government by the retarded, for the retarded, of the retarded....I want a government by the people of merit....and merit is a very rare quality....and then they can give the best world to humanity, bt they are servants of the retarded politicians...Am against the votebank politics where secularism (minoirtysm) is the only religion ...and 'antinationals' are tolerated. Nationalists are persecuted because majoirty community is unwilling to take a stand and has been divided into caste votebanks or religion base votebanks.Smile
Ah politics is a dirty business because many are propelled by greed. The parties can control all the wealth of the Nation so that is a great incentive.
When greed is involved morals go out of the window.
I also think students should avoid actively getting involved in politics until they have finished their education.
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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 3:58pm | IP Logged
IDK how democracy works in India at the moment...in Chattisgarh, Professor Binayak Sen was handed life imprisonment just because just because he raised voice on why Naxalites are being targeted by the government. And guess what the charges were: 'Aiding and abetting Naxalism in Chattisgarh'Confused I think this was back in late 2008/early 2009.Thankfully he was bailed later on. But my point is: How can India call itself a democracy when it cannot grant the basic freedom of speech?
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Posted: 19 January 2011 at 6:52pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by debayon

IDK how democracy works in India at the moment...in Chattisgarh, Professor Binayak Sen was handed life imprisonment just because just because he raised voice on why Naxalites are being targeted by the government. And guess what the charges were: 'Aiding and abetting Naxalism in Chattisgarh'Confused I think this was back in late 2008/early 2009.Thankfully he was bailed later on. But my point is: How can India call itself a democracy when it cannot grant the basic freedom of speech?
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Guess it takes time to have true democracy. Still some democracy is better than none.
Everyone should be allowed to exercise their rights so long as they do not restrict the rights of others. Hope there comes a time when proverty no longer exists and everyone is educated. This has to happen throughout the world too.

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