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Posted: 17 January 2011 at 6:43am | IP Logged
Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

I am quite in agreement with you  , MMG ...I could never give a clean chit to Kesar re Abortion's..to me it always appeared like she wanted Shakthi more than the kids..and would have willingly killed dozen's more just to stay with him..

I wud differ slightly over here with all due respect tanthya .Smile I have myself said this once to prove a point but Kesar is a horribly abused woman with severe spirit damage ...........Abuse breaks the spirit of a woman and she lives in a terror zone ....in her mind there is NO ESCAPE ROUTE . The last effect of  abuse is

connecting to ur abuser and wanting his good opinion .  Everything else stops mattering then , all concepts of right or wrong , good or bad .Years and years with that abuser leaves one only with that connection.........between that abused and the abuser .The abused holds on tightly to it as she has nothing else left anymore except that abuse . Its horrific , yes , but its there ..
 
Years of marital rape , mental torture of the vilest kind , beatings , forced abortions ........Kesar has perhaps tasted not one particular form of abuse but ALL TYPES OF ABUSE out there .Imagine the effect on her mind .A counsellor wud tell us that she is a gone case , she wud perhaps never recover . OMg I cant even talk about it .
 
I hear you Kools, and understand what you say very well, however surely even you cant deny that the possibility of an escape route did indeed present itself and that too in the form of the Pratster herself - whatever else can be said about her, at least in her Kesar had a degree of support and an ear to listen, a shoulder to cry on, at least with her "higher than thou" tones P presented the possibility, a glipse of a different type of life.....
 
agreed - the CVs goofed amazingly when having taken Kesar to PO and made complaint against the TNs, she bought her back to the hell hole, but I truly believe had she even contemplated redress or relief from Shakti's abuse then not only P but K too would have supported her.....
 
You cannot help an abused woman until and unless she wants A) - to help herself  B)- your help

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Posted: 17 January 2011 at 6:52am | IP Logged
I don't think that A and P are responsible for other peoples crazy acts.
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But they responsible for their OWN . And walking into a house of monsters willingly was THEIR action , THEIR act . So Pay for it then . By all means exercise ur right as a woman and walk out but go to jail for 7 years for bigamy .
 
As far as Pratigya goes , she did the same thing . She took a voluntary decision to marry in this house of horrors , so I guess its her fate to endure all that goes on .If not , she has option of divorce .Or moving out with Krish in tow .We dont see her doing both .........she talks of APNA pARIVAAR when she repeatedly attempts to put the same Parivaar in jail .Its puzzling to me . Why live there ? I dont get the point .
 
Point is , these sisters have immense strength that they use for rubbish reasons . Not for the right causes . I wud have appreciated seeing Pratigya waging a fight over a womans right to work and earn , over moving out , over setting up a house where she lives on her terms and conditions and shows K a different world where their children can be brot up differently . But we dont see it .
 
We see Arushi showing boldness in attempts to being spiteful .........not in telling police officer I was the one doing bigamy , put me in jail but get me outta here , I take responsibility for my actions . There she plays the victim coz very obviously she doesnt want jail .

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Posted: 17 January 2011 at 6:58am | IP Logged
Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

I am quite in agreement with you  , MMG ...I could never give a clean chit to Kesar re Abortion's..to me it always appeared like she wanted Shakthi more than the kids..and would have willingly killed dozen's more just to stay with him..

I wud differ slightly over here with all due respect tanthya .Smile I have myself said this once to prove a point but Kesar is a horribly abused woman with severe spirit damage ...........Abuse breaks the spirit of a woman and she lives in a terror zone ....in her mind there is NO ESCAPE ROUTE . The last effect of  abuse is

connecting to ur abuser and wanting his good opinion .  Everything else stops mattering then , all concepts of right or wrong , good or bad .Years and years with that abuser leaves one only with that connection.........between that abused and the abuser .The abused holds on tightly to it as she has nothing else left anymore except that abuse . Its horrific , yes , but its there ..
 
Years of marital rape , mental torture of the vilest kind , beatings , forced abortions ........Kesar has perhaps tasted not one particular form of abuse but ALL TYPES OF ABUSE out there .Imagine the effect on her mind .A counsellor wud tell us that she is a gone case , she wud perhaps never recover . OMg I cant even talk about it .


MMG, Hun..U can differ ,quarrel,argue ...I do not take umbrage with my frnds...Big smile..

MMg, what u are talking about is Stockholm syndrome...but unlike that syndrome..here Kesar is  well aware of Shakthi's perfidies, Knows his rotten core to a T ..and still chose Shakthi over Babies...she was very well aware that one word and SS would be like a hawk protecting its waaris ...but  did she choose to go with SS , No she wanted Shakthi's affection, yearned for it so mch that she even asked  for a magic kajal to entice him..

She is not a gone case, MMG..there is fire inside her, just recall her furious glare when the Kothewali comes or her feeling of humiliation  when She is forced to take part in Aarushi's muh dikhayi ...There ticks a vibrant heart MMG and not a resigned heart...what stops her is the thought of her future...
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Posted: 17 January 2011 at 7:00am | IP Logged
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@ Tanthya, the way they've used marriage has hurt me because I have seen the fallout and consequences of a bad marriage and how much effort one has put to make a marriage work, even if it is one sided effort.Unhappy




I know ?Hun..by all tokens...the marriage's of younger generation's would have come apart [had it been real life] .....There would have been family discussion , sorting out or even separation ...but here All they are concerned about is Chai,samosa, prestige and status..Ouch

 
Tanths, out of the three marriages I sympathise with Komal the most because my mother was in a similar position as hers.  From forced marriage to a husband who never supported his wife.  I can understand Komal's plight of being in a loveless, no hope marriage. 

No educated woman would want a husband like Adarsh and trust me these husbands are just as bad as Shakti.  Just because they have all values and are respectable to their wife, it does not mean they are good husbands or for the matter of fact good fathers.  These type of men just want women to submit to them without them making any changes in their own behaviour.

I just dont get why ppl dont question Adarsh's behaviour as a husband or a man.  He seems to be given a free ride on his treatment to his wife. May be I am blindly looking it from a personal angle but I dont see any kind of ingenuity from him to work on the marriage.  It is always Komal who is making the effort.

Did the Prof teach his kids marriage is fun and that getting married to ruin other people's life is what marriage is all about. Because this is exactly how each of his kids have done and none seem to take it seriously for them to believe in the sacred institution.


I find the SAX culpable than his Son , his way of treating his wife inspite of the AAp's  is deplorable..All her suggestion's have gone unheeded or  laughed off..where Thakur is loud and voluble,Sax is stealth and refined snobbery....she is just his valet who takes his bag n helmet ,maid who irons,serves and a cook ....I have not seen him respecting her wishes ...how can the children be any different ...Adarsh practices it on wife while Pratigya  practices it on Krishna,Amma n mummy


Tanths, by saying this Shakti is not to blame as he has learnt from his father on how to treat his wife....LOL
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Yep, the Sax has an ego as big as SS.  Uff....everything has to be about him, him, and him. Pratigya follows him blindly without having a mind of her own.  Its always papa, papa and papa.

Even after papa refused to believe about Aman, the bond seems to be more stronger than before. It was her husband who was her major support but she blindly forgets that when it comes to her father. He has a hold on Pratigya.

I am not saying she should cut ties from her father, but she needs to realise that her father is fallible and her husband is the one who has given her the true support when needed the most.


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I am quite in agreement with you  , MMG ...I could never give a clean chit to Kesar re Abortion's..to me it always appeared like she wanted Shakthi more than the kids..and would have willingly killed dozen's more just to stay with him..

I wud differ slightly over here with all due respect tanthya .Smile I have myself said this once to prove a point but Kesar is a horribly abused woman with severe spirit damage ...........Abuse breaks the spirit of a woman and she lives in a terror zone ....in her mind there is NO ESCAPE ROUTE . The last effect of  abuse is

connecting to ur abuser and wanting his good opinion .  Everything else stops mattering then , all concepts of right or wrong , good or bad .Years and years with that abuser leaves one only with that connection.........between that abused and the abuser .The abused holds on tightly to it as she has nothing else left anymore except that abuse . Its horrific , yes , but its there ..
 
Years of marital rape , mental torture of the vilest kind , beatings , forced abortions ........Kesar has perhaps tasted not one particular form of abuse but ALL TYPES OF ABUSE out there .Imagine the effect on her mind .A counsellor wud tell us that she is a gone case , she wud perhaps never recover . OMg I cant even talk about it .
OMG Kools you and I agreeLOLLOLLOL I feel like Kesar has always wanted KN approval more than children otherwise she could have approached SS for security. He would have helped her at the time.


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looks like all 3 of us are rather unanimous in this ...Smile
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Posted: 17 January 2011 at 7:09am | IP Logged
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Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

I am quite in agreement with you  , MMG ...I could never give a clean chit to Kesar re Abortion's..to me it always appeared like she wanted Shakthi more than the kids..and would have willingly killed dozen's more just to stay with him..

I wud differ slightly over here with all due respect tanthya .Smile I have myself said this once to prove a point but Kesar is a horribly abused woman with severe spirit damage ...........Abuse breaks the spirit of a woman and she lives in a terror zone ....in her mind there is NO ESCAPE ROUTE . The last effect of  abuse is

connecting to ur abuser and wanting his good opinion .  Everything else stops mattering then , all concepts of right or wrong , good or bad .Years and years with that abuser leaves one only with that connection.........between that abused and the abuser .The abused holds on tightly to it as she has nothing else left anymore except that abuse . Its horrific , yes , but its there ..
 
Years of marital rape , mental torture of the vilest kind , beatings , forced abortions ........Kesar has perhaps tasted not one particular form of abuse but ALL TYPES OF ABUSE out there .Imagine the effect on her mind .A counsellor wud tell us that she is a gone case , she wud perhaps never recover . OMg I cant even talk about it .
 
I hear you Kools, and understand what you say very well, however surely even you cant deny that the possibility of an escape route did indeed present itself and that too in the form of the Pratster herself - whatever else can be said about her, at least in her Kesar had a degree of support and an ear to listen, a shoulder to cry on, at least with her "higher than thou" tones P presented the possibility, a glipse of a different type of life.....
 
agreed - the CVs goofed amazingly when having taken Kesar to PO and made complaint against the TNs, she bought her back to the hell hole, but I truly believe had she even contemplated redress or relief from Shakti's abuse then not only P but K too would have supported her.....
 
You cannot help an abused woman until and unless she wants A) - to help herself  B)- your help
 
 
 
No seriously , I dont see Pratigya offering Kesar ANY support whatsoever . The very much abused  uneducated Kesar has what the nOn abused educated Pratigya doesn't have ........common sense . What support has the Pratser offered ? She advised her to register a police complaint against the monster who beat her and made her miscarry and brought her back to the same house , holding her hand and taking her to the same bedroom to share it with the same monster .................what the hell was THAT support ? Was it even any support ?Or was it ENDANGERING her ? The least she had was her life , even that wud have been snuffed out by the enraged monster if he had snapped at knowing that she did police complaint ! The fact that he didnt at that point doesnt make Pratigyas actions any less stupid and horrific !
 
When Pratigya didnt have any option to Kesar's messy situation , why did she meddle ? She didnt know an NGO , she didnt make arrangements to take Kesar to Kesars maayka , she didnt take Kesar to her own Maayka ...........she took Kesar back to the lion's den . For what .......for dying ?
 
And the abuse that Kesar has endured dear ........Pratigyas verbal support will make no difference in that terror zone that her mind has become . Years of counselling will not heal it , what will Pratigyas occasional verbal support do yaar ? That too , while living in the SAME house of horror s ?Kesar needs to gET OUT ASAP , be in a safe place , and she requires intense therapy and counselling and even then , mind u , she may not recover and pine to go back to shakti . What we see there is the worst damage done to a woman . Irrepairable damage . I am anti abortion , but hers is one of the cases where I wudnt dream of laying any blame on her . U see , she ain't NORMAL in her mind .

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Posted: 17 January 2011 at 7:12am | IP Logged
Originally posted by koolsadhu1000

I don't think that A and P are responsible for other peoples crazy acts.
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But they responsible for their OWN . And walking into a house of monsters willingly was THEIR action , THEIR act . So Pay for it then . By all means exercise ur right as a woman and walk out but go to jail for 7 years for bigamy .
 
As far as Pratigya goes , she did the same thing . She took a voluntary decision to marry in this house of horrors , so I guess its her fate to endure all that goes on .If not , she has option of divorce .Or moving out with Krish in tow .We dont see her doing both .........she talks of APNA pARIVAAR when she repeatedly attempts to put the same Parivaar in jail .Its puzzling to me . Why live there ? I dont get the point .
 
Point is , these sisters have immense strength that they use for rubbish reasons . Not for the right causes . I wud have appreciated seeing Pratigya waging a fight over a womans right to work and earn , over moving out , over setting up a house where she lives on her terms and conditions and shows K a different world where their children can be brot up differently . But we dont see it .
 
We see Arushi showing boldness in attempts to being spiteful .........not in telling police officer I was the one doing bigamy , put me in jail but get me outta here , I take responsibility for my actions . There she plays the victim coz very obviously she doesnt want jail .
Kools I agree and have always agreed with the forum members that A should be in jail for bigamy but it is unfair to blame her for everything from the common cold to black death.
Maybe I missed it but I haven't seen P complaining about her in-laws to K nor is she unhappy w/ K .So why would she seek a divorce? It wouldn't make sense for them to walk out of TN right now because they have nowhere to go. If she took this step then everyone would complain that she made a decision again without thinking of the consequences.

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