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NARTH can cure homosexuality. eh?
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Position of professional organizations on sexual orientation change efforts

Main Article: Sexual orientation change efforts

In 2009 an American Psychological Association research summary[36] included the following statements:

The longstanding consensus of the behavioral and social sciences and the health and mental health professions is that homosexuality per se is a normal and positive variation of human sexual orientation.

SOCE [sexual orientation change efforts] has been controversial due to tensions between the values held by some faith-based organizations, on the one hand, and those held by lesbian, gay and bisexual rights organizations and professional and scientific organizations, on the other.

There are no studies of adequate scientific rigor to conclude whether recent SOCE do work to change a person's sexual orientation.

Some individuals and groups have promoted the idea of homosexuality as symptomatic of developmental defects or spiritual and moral failings and have argued that SOCE, including psychotherapy and religious efforts, could alter homosexual feelings and behaviors. Many of these individuals and groups appeared to be embedded within the larger context of conservative religious political movements that have supported the stigmatization of homosexuality on political or religious grounds.

No major mental health professional organization has sanctioned efforts to change sexual orientation and most of them have adopted policy statements cautioning the profession and the public about treatments that purport to change sexual orientation. These include the American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American Counseling Association, National Association of Social Workers in the USA,[37] the Royal College of Psychiatrists,[38] and the Australian Psychological Society.[39]

The American Psychological Association and the Royal College of Psychiatrists expressed concerns that the positions espoused by NARTH are not supported by the science and create an environment in which prejudice and discrimination can flourish.[38][40]

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The World Health Organization's ICD-10, which is widely used internationally outside of North America (where DSM-IV-TR is used), states that "sexual orientation by itself is not to be regarded as a disorder".[77] It lists ego-dystonic sexual orientation as a disorder instead, the diagnosis for which is when "the gender identity or sexual preference (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or prepubertal) is not in doubt, but the individual wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders, and may seek treatment in order to change it."[77]

The American Psychiatric Association "affirms that same-sex sexual and romantic attractions, feelings, and behaviors are normal and positive variations of human sexuality regardless of sexual orientation identity; reaffirms its position that homosexuality per se is not a mental disorder and opposes portrayals of sexual minority youths and adults as mentally ill due to their sexual orientation; concludes that there is insufficient evidence to support the use of psychological interventions to change sexual orientation; encourages mental health professionals to avoid misrepresenting the efficacy of sexual orientation change efforts by promoting or promising change in sexual orientation when providing assistance to individuals distressed by their own or others' sexual orientation; concludes that the benefits reported by participants in sexual orientation change efforts can be gained through approaches that do not attempt to change sexual orientation; concludes that the emerging knowledge on affirmative multiculturally competent treatment provides a foundation for an appropriate evidence-based practice with children, adolescents and adults who are distressed by or seek to change their sexual orientation; advises parents, guardians, young people, and their families to avoid sexual orientation change efforts that portray homosexuality as a mental illness or developmental disorder and to seek psychotherapy, social support and educational services that provide accurate information on sexual orientation and sexuality, increase family and school support, and reduce rejection of sexual minority youth; encourages practitioners to consider the ethical concerns outlined in the 1997 APA Resolution on Appropriate Therapeutic Response to Sexual Orientation, in particular the following standards and principles: scientific bases for professional judgments, benefit and harm, justice, and respect for people's rights and dignity; encourages practitioners to be aware that age, gender, gender identity, race, ethnicity, culture, national origin, religion, disability, language, and socioeconomic status may interact with sexual stigma, and contribute to variations in sexual orientation identity development, expression, and experience; opposes the distortion and selective use of scientific data about homosexuality by individuals and organizations seeking to influence public policy and public opinion and will take a leadership role in responding to such distortions; supports the dissemination of accurate scientific and professional information about sexual orientation in order to counteract bias that is based in lack of knowledge about sexual orientation; and encourages advocacy groups, elected officials, mental health professionals, policy makers, religious professionals and organizations, and other organizations to seek areas of collaboration that may promote the wellbeing of sexual minorities."[1]

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In the United Kingdom, the Royal College of Psychiatrists states: "The Royal College shares the concern of both the American Psychiatric Association and the American Psychological Association that positions espoused by bodies like the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) in the United States are not supported by science. There is no sound scientific evidence that sexual orientation can be changed. Furthermore so-called treatments of homosexuality as recommended by NARTH create a setting in which prejudice and discrimination can flourish. The Royal College of Psychiatrists holds the view that lesbian, gay and bisexual people should be regarded as valued members of society who have exactly similar rights and responsibilities as all other citizens." [6]

In Australia, the Australian Psychological Society states: "Even though homosexual orientation is not a mental illness and there is no scientific reason to attempt conversion of lesbians or gays to heterosexual orientation, some individuals may want to change their own sexual orientation or that of another individual (for example, parents seeking therapy for their child). Some therapists who undertake this kind of therapy report that they have changed their client's sexual orientation (from homosexual to heterosexual) in treatment. Close scrutiny of these reports shows that many of the claims come from organisations with an ideological perspective on sexual orientation rather than from mental health researchers. Also, the treatments and their outcomes are poorly documented and the length of time that clients are followed up after the treatment is sometimes too short to be a true reflection of the outcome. In other cases it has been shown that individuals can be assisted to live a heterosexual lifestyle, but that their sexual orientation remains unchanged. In other words, their pattern of arousal to members of the same sex does not alter. The Australian Psychological Society acknowledges the lack of scientific evidence for the usefulness of conversion therapy, and notes that it can in fact be harmful for the individual.".[7]

In Germany, the psychiatry, psychology, and sexology establishment from the early 20th century viewed homosexuality as pathological. However, following the increased visibility of the homosexual community during the AIDS epidemic of the late 1980s and the declassification of homosexuality as a mental disorder in the ICD-10, non-pathological, rather than pathological, models of homosexuality became mainstream.[89]

Japan's psychiatric body removed homosexuality from its list of psychiatric disorders in 1995.[90]

In Norway, a country known for its strong LGBT rights legislation, the shift from a pathological to non-pathological understanding of homosexuality began in the 1970s, following the APA's declassification in 1973. In 2000, the General Assembly of the Norwegian Psychiatric Association overwhelmingly voted for the following position statement on sexual orientation change therapy:

Homosexuality is no disorder or illness, and can therefore not be subject to treatment. A 'treatment' with the only aim of changing sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual must be regarded as ethical malpractice, and has no place in the health system.[91]

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Originally posted by ..kiran..

 
Okay, I'm out of here. 
 
But just before that, last thinking exercise.
 
In an alternate universe, mostly everyone is homosexual. They make babies through artificial insemination but men and women normally do not feel attracted to each other. Popular religious belief allows for this.
 
But there are of course weirdos, as in every society.
 
They argue that they should have the right to choose their sexual orientation, because it is such an intimate and important part of them, that denying them of such choice is equal to denying them of their dignity.


Very intriguing, but a study of history shows that similar societies did exist in history. The only thing was they did not have artificial insemination technology then. Homosexuality was common in ancient Greece and Middle East. The Spartan and Persian armies are known for their gay troops. In Spartan culture when a boy came of age, it was mandatory for him to serve in the army as transition to manhood. There he would be mentored by an older veteran who would be his sexual, emotional and social soulmate till he was of age to be married. Spartan marriage rituals were even more bizarre. The Spartan female was dressed in male clothing and consummation of the marriage was anal.

Some here would say "This is madness"
Spartans would say "This is Sparta" LOL

Editing to add citations here: http://www.amazon.com/History-Greece-322-B-C/dp/0198730950
Book II. Chapter One that covers culture elaborates on Spartan society.

http://www.sacredband.com/Thebes (Briefs on Greek traditions of male love in the army)

Originally posted by ..kiran..

I'd also like to suggest that many who pretend to know it all about homosexuals have only seen the portrayal of these 'things' in movies where these ridiculous men who wear pink and flap their hands about are a source of rib-tickling comedy, and women who love other women are the villains who kill their love interests' boyfriends because they're jealous and generally insane.
 
Such people might want to consider the possibility that that portrayal may be inaccurate.


Bollywood still seems to be stuck in the caricature phase of portraying homosexuals. However, I think television and movies here are changing the portrayals of homosexuals in television.

Ten years ago who would have thought that a mainstream prime time show would have not one but almost six homosexual/bisexual characters with major storylines. Glee! has Kurt Hummel the openly and flamboyantly gay teen, his love interest Blaine open and fit in the crowd type. Then there is Karofsky the jock in the closet, Santana the cheerleader in the closet, the bicurious Brittany and of course Rachel Berry whose parents are a gay male couple.

Why even today Gay-Men first class, the prequel to the Gay-Men trilogy releases. LOL

In Comicon culture everyone knows that the X-Men series is a subliminal depiction of the questions and issues surrounding homosexuality. NightCrawler and his struggles with his mutation and religious beliefs. Rogue and her choices if she wishes to be cured or not. Angel and his suicidal and self harming tendencies over being a mutant. Ice-Mans struggles over how to tell his family he is a mutant. The politicians who are anti-mutant going as far as mutant registration and the politicians for mutants. The scientists who study mutants to see if they can be "cured". Then the debate over the paths of Magneto vs Charles Xavier of retaliation or accepting society and slowly making changes.


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Ego-dystonic sexual orientation (EDSO), in simple words, mean a hetero who develops negative deviations like bestial sex or pedophilia due to varied reasons, viz. psychological stress, complexes etc. This has got nothing to do with Homosexuality and WHO, or for that matter any major health/ medical organization, doesn't consider Homosexuality in this category. EDSO can be cured by psychiatric treatment, but not homosexuality.

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Rehan - People against homosexuality always keep quoting NARTH. I don't understand why. Its a bs source and only makes for bs arguments.

NARTH has been rejected by all legitimate medical and psychiatric associations across the world.

NARTH researchers and publishers have illegitimate degrees, unaccredited degrees, religious degrees or scientists/doctors who have had their licensing revoked.

Several NARTH researches have quit because of their research being distorted to promote NARTH's anti-homosexual agenda. Every year someone or the other former associate distances themselves from NARTH because of fact distortion.

NARTH has faced several litigations for distorting data.

A simple google search will reveal to any reasonable person that NARTH is an organization full of BS with absolutely no scientific or research credibility.

Those interested to test NARTH more can actually study the work published by NARTH and see the poor sample selection, the unethical research practices, and the biased hypothesis testing plastered all over their work.

Ask any legitimate researcher or licensed medical practitioner about NARTH and you will see what exactly the scientific community thinks of this organization.

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Originally posted by zorrro

Is sexual attraction for a single person of the opposite sex  natural for a heterosexual person? Obviously no. Does that mean that society should discourage monogamous marriage?
some rules are made keeping the interest of the society in mind. Encouragement of heterosexual behaviour had obvious advantages for the society and was encouraged. Urges that were deemed as detrimental to society's interest were discouraged. As the values slowly change the rules too will relax. It is natural to resist any change. All things natural do not have to be desirable or worth espousing.


You are presenting a fallacious argument here.

 

Marriage does not "encourage" or "discourage" monogamy or heterosexuality. It provides an option for monogamous individuals who wish to make that commitment. That commitment is a choice that would occur socially irrespective of the legal option of marriage. Similarly gay marriage will not "encourage" or "discourage" people of any sexual orientation but give that choice of commitment to everyone equally.

 

There was a period in history that was volatile and disease ridden where mortality rate was high, birth rate was low, and the need for heirs and warring men was extreme. Perhaps during this period practices that fostered procreation were encouraged. It was during these times that polygamy was rampant, women were bought and sold to bear children for men, infertile women were treated as outcastes. I would hypothesize that the hostility towards homosexuality also came about in this period.

 

Today there is absolutely no logical compelling reason why society should carry on archaic practices, and in similar vein no logical compelling reason why homosexuality ought to be discouraged.

 

Also to add these archaic practices were the results of extreme societies. The anthropology of social practices and social evolution would be a whole new mass of information to study.


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Originally posted by return_to_hades


Very intriguing, but a study of history shows that similar societies did exist in history. The only thing was they did not have artificial insemination technology then. Homosexuality was common in ancient Greece and Middle East. The Spartan and Persian armies are known for their gay troops. In Spartan culture when a boy came of age, it was mandatory for him to serve in the army as transition to manhood. There he would be mentored by an older veteran who would be his sexual, emotional and social soulmate till he was of age to be married. Spartan marriage rituals were even more bizarre. The Spartan female was dressed in male clothing and consummation of the marriage was anal.

Some here would say "This is madness"
Spartans would say "This is Sparta" LOL
 
 
That's very interesting. Thanks for sharing Smile And also, in relation to your latest post, it makes sense why homosexuality which was once 'normal' might have eventually become 'wrong.' It's funny how even when the rationale for rules fall apart, the rules still stick.

Originally posted by ..kiran..

I'd also like to suggest that many who pretend to know it all about homosexuals have only seen the portrayal of these 'things' in movies where these ridiculous men who wear pink and flap their hands about are a source of rib-tickling comedy, and women who love other women are the villains who kill their love interests' boyfriends because they're jealous and generally insane.
 
Such people might want to consider the possibility that that portrayal may be inaccurate.


Bollywood still seems to be stuck in the caricature phase of portraying homosexuals. However, I think television and movies here are changing the portrayals of homosexuals in television.

Ten years ago who would have thought that a mainstream prime time show would have not one but almost six homosexual/bisexual characters with major storylines. Glee! has Kurt Hummel the openly and flamboyantly gay teen, his love interest Blaine open and fit in the crowd type. Then there is Karofsky the jock in the closet, Santana the cheerleader in the closet, the bicurious Brittany and of course Rachel Berry whose parents are a gay male couple.

Why even today Gay-Men first class, the prequel to the Gay-Men trilogy releases. LOL

In Comicon culture everyone knows that the X-Men series is a subliminal depiction of the questions and issues surrounding homosexuality. NightCrawler and his struggles with his mutation and religious beliefs. Rogue and her choices if she wishes to be cured or not. Angel and his suicidal and self harming tendencies over being a mutant. Ice-Mans struggles over how to tell his family he is a mutant. The politicians who are anti-mutant going as far as mutant registration and the politicians for mutants. The scientists who study mutants to see if they can be "cured". Then the debate over the paths of Magneto vs Charles Xavier of retaliation or accepting society and slowly making changes.
 
 
True. I particularly like the portrayal of homosexuality in 'Modern Family' - it's all so normalised, and yet you are made to, in a fun, light-hearted way, understand how hard it can sometimes be.
 
Sadly, nothing in Bollywood or Indian TV though. And not everybody has access to non-Indian series and movies. Or, even if they do, they'd conveniently lull themselves into thinking "Ah, but it's fine for them, that's the West.. we're different, we have culture, etc." I think the only decent portrayal of homosexuality I've seen is in 'My brother Nikhil' but it wasn't a mainstream movie and I wonder if the fact that the guy had AIDS might have furthered the misconception that AIDS is caused by homosexuality.
 
Anyway, hopefully that will change.
 
 

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Originally posted by ..kiran..

Originally posted by Believe

Welcome back  ...M. Kiran ... Thumbs Up
 
& Didn't quoted cos already mention my thoughts above page dont wanna repeat!
 
 
Oh, as in, you don't want have to engage with the new points raised because you fear it might weaken/challenge your stance? Fair enough Approve-- Never LOL Always be a man !...Do you think, runaway or create differnt ID or something...then you mistaken me...& you people came here to judge others!! then lage raho,you will get more company LOLlol but I raised some point, I stick on that point, and you 2,3 people doesnt agree with my thoughts doest mean,am wrong!! and dont forget the matter that,science cant prove all things in this world...but who care,  impress thodi karna hey!Big smile
 
by the way I like your NEW id!! Wink  
 
and have to go my lesbian friend's flat for a Party..so party mood nowLOLWink
  Enjoy! Big smile But please be safe.  You never know with these people. Or is it community service that you're at?  If so, good luck with curing them. The world needs more messiahs like you Clap -- Do you ever attended any party!!?LOL if you attend any party, do you try all these things!!??!! Wow...LOL
 
 
Cheers!
 
Thank you! 
 
 

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