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Real life case of a Homosexual Opposition Leader in Malaysia.
 
Few years back be was realeased from Prison after being accused for homosexual encounter with some men.
 
 
He is again being charged and faces a 20 year jail sentence.
 

Jun 2, 2011

Malaysia's Anwar wants sodomy trial judge to quit

Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim wants the judge in his sodomy trial to step down before he takes the witness stand next week. -- PHOTO: REUTERS

KUALA LUMPUR (Malaysia) - MALAYSIAN opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim wants the judge in his sodomy trial to step down before he takes the witness stand next week.

Anwar's defence team filed an application on Thursday calling for High Court Judge Mohamad Zabidin Diah to be replaced. Anwar has accused Judge Zabidin of being biased.

Anwar's lawyer Sankara Nair says Judge Zabidin is scheduled to hear the petition on Monday. Judge Zabidin has rejected previous attempts by Anwar to force him out.

Judge Zabidin ruled last month that prosecutors had established a credible case that Anwar sodomised a male former aide.

He faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted. He claims the charge is politically motivated, but the government denies it.

Anwar is supposed to be the defence's first witness next week. -- AP

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Some Background info 

By theaustralian.com.au

MALAYSIA'S High Court has ruled that opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim's defence has a case to answer in his sodomy trial, after finding the prosecution's witness "credible".

Mr Anwar is being tried over allegations that the 63-year-old father-of-six sodomised a 25-year-old former aide at an upmarket condominium in June 2008.

photo: time.com

"I find a prima facie caseā€¦ has been made out against the accused," High Court judge Zabidin Mohamed Diah told a packed courtroom.

"Therefore the accused is called to enter his defence."

"I found (prosecution witness Mohamad Saiful Bukhari) to be a credible witness. There is nothing improbable about his evidence. His evidence is reliable," he said.

The judge also found there was evidence that Mr Anwar and Mr Saiful were at the scene of the alleged crime at the time in question and that there was "opportunity for the offence to have taken place".

Sodomy is illegal in Muslim-majority Malaysia, whether or not between consenting adults.

Mr Anwar insists the accusations are part of a long-running government plot to derail his political career, but authorities deny any conspiracy.

Mr Anwar's original 1998 sodomy conviction was later overturned and he was freed after serving six years in jail, becoming an electoral threat to the ruling Barisan Nasional, which has been in power for half a century.

The trial is to resume on June 6, according to court officials.

 
 
 
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Originally posted by Darklord_Rehan

@Believe - Really? After reading your comment, I am not quite sure about who is psychologically ill and should be treated. --Then you have to check/consult your thought with someone!SmileAm free now you can consult with me!!Tongue

Gays were always there. Read Hindu scriptures. Read Kamasutra. Read Mahabharat. Read Abhigyanam Shakuntalam. And guess what they were far more recognized and respected then, than in modern society. You think Indian society was always this conservative? Then think again. Our society was one of the most advanced societies of all time. Its only after foreign invaders came and imposed their narrow minded laws on us and the British criminalized homosexuality and prosecuted them.

Homosexuality is not a perversion so please do not equate homosexuality with pedophilia. Its a scientifically proven fact that homosexuals are as much normal as are heterosexuals. But I don't see opponents of homosexuality providing any factual argument or are paying attention to the facts that we provide. They are repeatedly and quite obstinately suggesting that being gay/lesbian is a dangerous crime that should be punished. Yeah, you may not be speaking of direct criminal prosecution, but even treating a homosexual as a weird species or suggesting mental treatment for them is a punishment for them and is enough to abate them to commit suicide.
If anybody says gays are by birth and related to genes...can they tell if a new born is a gay or not?Confused

it is NATURAL course of action that we OUGHT to take, TOMORROW YOU WOULD FEEL like doing it with animals , so do we allow that also, We are not here to act according to WHIMS and FANCIES of people, IF they are on a wrong path, THEY need to be dragged and dropped on the right path, and WE can COUNSEL ROTTEN brains and bring them to enligtenment.homosexuality is totally a crap, we need to classify activities based on what RESULTS it is going to bring? So nature has made a couple i.e. man and a woman so that NATURE course takes place and future generations get created, and by being homosexual what creativity is happening ?? many countries like Singapore criminalize homosexuality and classify it as a Preverted,Mentally retarded behaviour govt saying they need to be counseled and rectified.

Nobody is inducing Western Culture. We are inducing rational thinking. Reasons and NOT traditions. Krishna says in Gita "One which is not based on reasons and coherence can never be called faith - its blind faith and its better to do away with it". --First of all ,no need to bring 'Lord Krishna'  into this matter!! Bcos he having 16000+ wifes done lots of blah blah things in his period! You and people like you have completely shut your eyes and ears and you see what you want to see. You don't even understand those religion which you claim to defend. All religion made by men only, so my understanding may be flow that ways! but anyone can do anything as per their free will...NO issue!! Smile
 
 
Earlier boys would chase and try to PATOO(persuade) ladki only, now some boys would be chasing boys for PATAOO (Pesuading)Ladka, by saying what & how I wonder.It is so funny to imagine that comedy scene!Tongue
 

Edited by Believe - 02 June 2011 at 1:58am
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Earlier boys would chase and try to PATOO(persuade) ladki only, now some boys would be chasing boys for PATAOO (Pesuading)Ladka, by saying what & how I wonder.It is so funny to imagine that comedy scene!Tongue
Vinu Maharaj this may happen in China where males cannot chase females.
They have a one child policy and often they get rid of daughters or abort in some cases.
 So majority of the population tend to be males and many may not have enough female partners. LOL
Unless of course One Female is allowed to have more than one husband.LOL
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Posted: 02 June 2011 at 2:14am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Summer3

Earlier boys would chase and try to PATOO(persuade) ladki only, now some boys would be chasing boys for PATAOO (Pesuading)Ladka, by saying what & how I wonder.It is so funny to imagine that comedy scene!Tongue
Vinu Maharaj this may happen in China where males cannot chase females.
They have a one child policy and often they get rid of daughters or abort in some cases.
 So majority of the population tend to be males and many may not have enough female partners. LOL
Unless of course One Female is allowed to have more than one husband.LOL --ConfusedTongueLOL
 
Oh ye bi ...Made in China!!?
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Thanks TM for the article.

Can you kindly tell me what does the International Court of Justice/ World Health Organization says about this?

Do they prosecute homosexuality or do they recognize it as acceptable behaviour?

And if they recognize it then what's their stance regarding such gay prosecutions in various conservative societies?
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Posted: 02 June 2011 at 2:26am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Darklord_Rehan

Thanks TM for the article.

Can you kindly tell me what does the International Court of Justice/ World Health Organization says about this?

Do they prosecute homosexuality or do they recognize it as acceptable behaviour?

And if they recognize it then what's their stance regarding such gay prosecutions in various conservative societies?
 
NATO attacked Libiya/Iraq and some other countries too...Did they asked public opinion or did they asked balance 100's of countries opinion to impliment these things!!!?  No na...same way these things also they practice! Smile


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@Believe...Exactly my point. What is WRONG must be prosecuted and stopped. But who told you that homosexuality is wrong? Does any logic or rational argument back your statement or is it one of your WHIMS and FANCY?

If you have reason/scientific proof calling homosexuality as unnatural/perverted, then prove it like we have done against prosecution of homosexuality.

New born is gay or not cannot be said, because there is difference between Gender and Sexuality. Sexuality is actually developed by adolescence and not at birth. You don't get attracted to girls or have desire to have sex when you are 5 or 6. These feelings develop at puberty - ie at 13-17 years of age. And its this time when most gays, lesbians or bisexuals realize their own tastes and preferences just like we do.

There is no evidence suggesting that one can 'become' gay or lesbian. We have already provided numerous reports of doctors and health organizations in favour of our argument. But unfortunately we haven't got any such counter-argument from your side. The best you can say is 'dragging' and 'dropping' people according to your own preferences and practices.

You can neither make gays nor can you turn gays into heteros. If you force them to accept your ways, you are gonna invite mutually assured destruction.

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